Can I vent?? Don't read if you are easily offended

julie

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So... I made my way over to another Cf site one day, not sure how I got there-stumbled upon it I guess but that is rather irrelevant. I joined and chat/post/respond infrequently, more often at first but there is a general very unwelcomed feeling I get when I post there. So, people were doing a gas check after this Katrina disaster, and someone came on and posted about how we all shouldn't be complaining and there are worse things in life than expensive gas....

I posted the gas rates where I am, and then mentioned in 1 sentence, "I don't think anyone was meaning to complain by doing a gas check, I think someone was just curious about the costs raising across the country, especially when a lot of us can't afford to live right now. I don't think anyone was complaining". and I also posted my beliefs (which I won't do here unless someone really wants to know, heaven forbid another fiasco) about Katrina....

That started the biggest controversey I have ever seen. I did have a few people on that site agree with me, but those who disagreed were calling me a devil and there was even this one guy who emailed me privately and said how hateful of a person I am and he can't believe I said that, what an awful person I must be-and now the freak won't leave me alone. I am just venting here, not really sure what I want to come of it.... I just can't believe the ignorance of some people that they can't just "see" someone elses view and leave it at that. I was like, "ok, well I still feel the way I feel and that isn't going to change. I am sorry if I offended you, but I did clearly state in my post that it might be offensive and I apologized for THAT in advance" and told the freak to drop it, but now he won't leave me alone. He was accusing me of killing or wanting to kill these people affected by katrina.

I explained that in spite of my feelings regarding the NATURAL DISASTER (not like I can do anything about a natural disaster) I am still doing what I can to help. I donated a bit of money, went through my closet this week and donated a lot of clothing, batteries, blankets to the red cross. I also volunteered to go on the deployment from my naval base over to the relief efforts (ends up I can't go because I am transfering in 3 months and it is NOT a volunteer deployment). I explained all of this, and still... this guy and these other people on the site must be a bit looney. I don't usually brag (or at least I don't think I do) about what I do that benefits others, and I didn't (other than the vlunteer deployment and red cross items) in this case, but I wanted to go on and on about the SSI/SSDI assistance I have given (three people have won their appeals since "heeding" my advice and using the spreadsheets and go-by's that I presented to them when they requested information), the CF website I created to share our story in hopes that others would gain information, insight... information I presented to a lot of people on this site and on that site about food stamps and medical deductions (food) for Taxes... but I didn't, it wouldn't have made a difference. And now I am just so frustrated and mad, and maybe a little hurt. I hate that site, I absolutely do.

I just can't believe some people. Although there are times of disagreements on this site, I must say that I am really grateful that it is here. On a normal day (when I haven't had my butt chewed by some freak on another website) I am grateful for this site and the people on it. But especially after a time like today, I am really grateful that I have this site to come back to. Where I feel that in spite of our differences, we understand eachother.

Hope I didn't offend anyone, sure I probably did and sorry for a long rant about nothing, I am just really ticked off right now.
 
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IG

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It's always been that way, I'm sorry to say that other site is filled with a group of sheeple.

Sheeple : People unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive ablilities of their own. If one says something they all agree.

[and if any of you guys from the other site read this, I'm sorry but there are a lot of sheeple there]
Some of them are not, and are generally nice. [A lot of the nice people post here too]
Sorry you got sucked into that argument, if you disagree with them they will close ranks like they did.
That's why I post primarily on this board I find it's a lot more tolerant.
I don't think you deserved to be treated that way.
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julie

New member
well thanks hon, you post makes me feel better though!

I appreciate the definition as well.. I would have had no clue what you were talking about. When I read it at first I was thinking a heshesheep (a man and a woman, with a sheeps body) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Gave me a good laugh there for a minute.

You are right though, people I have never seen on that site before cmae out of the woodwork, started posting, defending the girl who I responded to by saying, "I think someone was just curious about the costs raising across the country, especially when a lot of us can't afford to live right now. I don't think anyone was complaining". I had like 9 people say how nice of a person she was and that I shouldn't be so rude, that she wasn't trying to start a fight... blahblah, and I was like, DID YOU READ MY POST TO HER? It wasn't rude, I was just trying to state that we were just having a discussion about prices, not feeling sorry for ourselves/complaining. Man, I am glad this site is here, really glad. Once someone said one thinkg about how they disagreed with me, Everyone jumped on the band wagon, amazing, absolutely amazing.....
 
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jacobus

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>julie</b></i><br>
and I also posted my beliefs (which I won't do here unless someone really wants to know, heaven forbid another fiasco) about Katrina....

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Now you've got me curious. I would like to know your beliefs.
 

anonymous

New member
About your beliefs...Be careful what you say, especially if they have ANYTHING AT ALL IN THE SLIGHTEST PROPORTIONS to do with religion.
But what do you mean, "another fiasco". Was there one before this? Wait...if you tell me, just tell me in as little detail as possible, okay?
 

aragorn

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I've had a similar bad experience on one board. I posted my opinions on a certain subject, and unfortunately, they sort've pushed me out the door. I'm glad I still have this site as a refuge when some of the other ones aren't good.
 

anonymous

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OK, i belong to this other site in question julie and YES you did start a big war.. maybe you should have posted your original post on here!!! the person that is a so called freak is one of the NICEST guys i have ever met!! he is far from a freak.. he has cf, he was almost dead when they finally found him new lungs... he has jumped through hoops to be alive!!!! he talks at schools about lung transplant, and cf and has been doing it for a few years.. he has done interviews about transplants!! he has gone out of the country to be at the bedside of a teenager in which him, i and alot of others were great friends with... and may i just say that she died while he was there, he stayed with the girls family to offer support.. he offers support to his donors family....SO BEFORE YOU GO SAYING WHAT A FREAK HE IS KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD RESPECT FOR YOU ON HERE BUT THE POST ON CF2CHAT WAS WAY OUT OF LINE......
 
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IG

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Regardless of what he's been through and how much he helps, the person in question and the people in question close ranks around a foreign and different idea there. That includes people. People on that site say they feel unwelcome there. Gee I wonder why, oh yeah it's because they do. If they do not share the same ideas, opinions, or agree with everything they say [BECOME ANOTHER SHEEPLE] they are not accepted into the inner sanctum of the group. Yes, the person in question might be nice, but he's not always, Julie has a right to her opinion, not a right to be bashed around by them. I myself have had disputes with the people on the board because generally they DO NOT LISTEN even when you retain a calm and level head and want to discuss a topic. If you like CF2Chat, fine. But don't be coming over here and bashing Julie because she doesn't deserve it. Through out the whole episode she was calm and showed some rational thinking, and you know what I AGREE WITH HER. If you want to come over here and bash her when she's asking for support please don't be such a coward and sign your name.
I can say I am a member of both sites, I sign in, I sign my name. I even call those people over there sheeple knowing that people from that site read this site.
I don't see the point in hiding.
 
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jacobus

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>Wheres this 'other' site? Go ON tell me, please!!!<hr></blockquote>

yeah, can someone tell us? I wanna see what all the fuss is about!
 

JazzysMom

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I am a member of both forums. I read Julie's post. As with anything we post.....people are going to take it certain ways. By no means am I saying that Julie's bashing was deserved. All I am saying is that I have seen things get pretty hairy on this forum as well. I enjoy things so far on the other site. I hope that Julie will still let her knowledge be shared in both places. I will have access to it either way, but for those who dont belong to both it would be a shame. I am glad that Julie has this site to come to in order to calm down, vent & regain composure altho it didnt seem in her words that she lost it. How well you come across.......that shows your strength!
 
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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://groups.msn.com/CysticFibrosis2chat">http://groups.msn.com/CysticFibrosis2chat</a>

If you're looking for the dispute the thread was deleted.
 

senatorgraham

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Dear Julie,

I am sorry to hear that things deteriorated as they did on the other board. I hope you won't let that deter you from continuing to go there and share all the usefiul information that you have to offer.

Intelligent people should be able to have intelligent discussion without so much trouble but often people get offend-espically if it is an emotional issue and such calamities erupt. Once everyone calms down, hopefully it will get better.

No worries. Try not to let it bother you. You are appreciated here and I suspect once things calm down you will find their are those that feel the same way on that other board.

Sincerely,

"Senatorgraham"

"My Friends are my estate. Forgive me the avarice of hoarding them."-Emily Dickinson
 

julie

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr>TextOK, i belong to this other site in question julie and YES you did start a big war.. maybe you should have posted your original post on here!!! the person that is a so called freak is one of the NICEST guys i have ever met!! he is far from a freak.. he has cf, he was almost dead when they finally found him new lungs... he has jumped through hoops to be alive!!!! he talks at schools about lung transplant, and cf and has been doing it for a few years.. he has done interviews about transplants!! he has gone out of the country to be at the bedside of a teenager in which him, i and alot of others were great friends with... and may i just say that she died while he was there, he stayed with the girls family to offer support.. he offers support to his donors family....SO BEFORE YOU GO SAYING WHAT A FREAK HE IS KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD RESPECT FOR YOU ON HERE BUT THE POST ON CF2CHAT WAS WAY OUT OF LINE...... <hr></blockquote>

Alright, now I am a bit ticked at you.
#1, post your name.
#2, if you had been on that CF2 (MSN) chat site lately you would see they deleted (not locked but actually deleted) the whole entire thread, of which I only posted on 3 times or else I would have posted it on here. There was nothing wrong with what I said, I just stated my beliefs about the situation. And yes, Mike (nicecfr) is a freak to keep harassing me. I don't give a s**t who he is, he isn't anybody to me. It's one thing to share his opinion with me, and I responded back to him stating that he's entitled to his beliefs but I don't agree with him. The freak keeps emailng and harassing me. He was even stupid enough to email me his home of residence address-pathetic.
#3, I stated the post might be offensive but I am entitled to post my feelings, and others are entitled to state how they disagree but don't make it personal, cause once you do-there is NO turning back.

Jacobus, if you privately messag me (the little lock next to the lighbulb and magnifiying glass on the R side) I will share. I will not do a mass post again though.

I think we all have a lot to offer eachother, I learn a lot about stuff on this site (people seem to talk about random crap on the other site, I don't have too many posts there) and I like to give to others as well. I will NEVER do that for anyone on that site again. I will continue to post here on this site, because in spite of disagreements that might be had on here, in the end we all "shake" hands and move on. There have been fights on here as well, but never like this. We never resort to making it personal and tearing a person apart, which was what was done to me.

I do appreciate the support on this site, I always have and I always will.

If anyone wants to know (I understand because I am a nosey person, curiosity killed the cat, SATISFACTION bought it back...) please privately ask me. I will not post it for everyone to see and have the same thing happen, I hope you can understad.
 

CFHockeyMom

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Geez it's just a post with your opinion. If Mike doesn't like it, so be it, but to keep e-mailing/bashing you, seems a bit over the top. Seems like he should just let it go already.

With regard to your opinion, I too have mixed emotions about the tragedy. I feel sorry for people that have lost everything but for the people that stayed behind I sit and wonder why? I know most of the people that stayed behind were the poorest of the poor and many were medically bound to their homes but still, you could see that huge a$$ storm coming and knew that even if it changed course, it was going to be bad. For crying out loud, they built the city in a bowl below sea level. What do they expect? My question is, where was the LA government support before the hurricane? The governor/mayor have to have had a pretty good idea of the numbers of folks that were too poor to leave or home bound. Why didn't they do anything more to evacuate those folks before the storm. For crying out loud they didn't even evacuate the hospitals? I saw a photo of a school bus yard and it showed all the busses completely submerged under water. Why didn't they use the school busses to evacuate people that had no other way out of town. Yes, I know, they opened the Superdome to people but come on, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that wasn't going to be enough and that in the event that the power went out it wasn't going to be a suitable facility for people. Also, isn't the Superdome still located in New Orleans? Doesn't seem like a good place to evacuate to.

That said, I do think we (i.e. the American Gov.) were a bit slow in getting relief supplies there but then again, I don't know how thrilled I'd be at the prospect of taking supplies to people that are looting, raping, and shooting one another.

Now, here's an opinion that I'm sure won't be so popular... I hope they don't spend any money rebuilding the city. It's under water now like nature intended it to be. Just leave it that way.
 

julie

New member
Claudette, you and I share very similar beliefs regarding this situation. I went a little more in depth about how mother nature was just cleaning up, and that offened some people. It is a tragedy, I agree though, much more common sense should have been applied, by the leaders to begin with.
 

anonymous

New member
Julie,

You are very helpful and a wonderful source of information to many people. You have helped me with some of the information that you have given. I love you go get personality. I love how you can get things accomplished and how you would do anything for the people you love (Mark)

Your post was controversal, saying that Katrina was mother natures way of cleaning up the unproductive people in the world is a very harsh statement to make. It was your thoughts and yes this is the USA and yes you are entitled to it. I think I know you to some degree because I follow your posts, or at least I have formed in my mind who you are by your posts. I don't think you meant it in the way that it came out or in the way that ppl took it. I believe that you just were expressing your thoughts. I don't agree with you at all that that was what happend, I don't believe God (since you said you believe in God) would just get rid of people because they were being unproductive but if you do that is okay. I won't hold it against you nor will you hold my beliefs against me.

Not that you have to, but when you post your ideas, think about who was reading it. I know your husband has CF and isn't working now so I know you can understand, most ppl on that site don't work and struggle with feelings of not being able to share the load in their families lives. So to read a post that says that this was natures way of getting rid of unproductive ppl would put pretty much all of us on guard. I believe and again forgive me for being presumptious but I believe that the unproductive people that you were talking about were the looters and others that were causing trouble there. I don't know if that is what you meant, I don't need to make excuses for you, you are a big girl responsible to "God" or whatever you believe in.

I am just saying, I don't know how you could expect people not to get upset when you make a statement like that. CF2chat is different site then this, the people are all very close, many of us have met each other in person several times and we are protective of each other.

You have to admit, you can come across harsh at times and I am not asking you to change but I am saying that comming across harsh is going to cause people to react to you the way they did. Also, on this site you have established yourself as a loving wife and someone who is very helpful, on CF2chat you are new and people don't know you as well and your post was harsh. If you don't want people to respond to you harshly don't make harsh posts.

I am not leaving my name, not because I don't have balls as you put it but because I am not in the mood to be bashed if you don't like what I say.
 

anonymous

New member
about the unproductive people...our country doesn't do much to help them become productive, does it?. it may be better for them to keep receiving government help and not work than to work 80 hours a week and end up with less money than if they didn't work. poverty is a viscious cycle, just like drug abuse, physical/mental abuse, etc.
 
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