mom of a 16 yr old daughter

Imogene

Administrator
Bill: They are not questioning your age or veracity...they question whether you provide an unrealistic amount of hope, because you have lived so long with this disease, or that is the way I understand their comments. In fact, we have many members living beyond the expected, median age. It is valuable that we know how you managed to do this. I am always expecting you to do this with utmost kindness.
Thanks again.

J
 

Printer

Active member
Imogene:

I have posted earlier that there is a woman, who shares my CF Doctor with me, who is only 3 months younger than I am. Additionally, when I was an inpatient at MGH, a nurse told me that a few months earlier, they had a patient, who was there for reasons other than CF but who had CF. He was in his 90's.

I am on the good side of the curve but I'm nothing special.

Bill
 

Printer

Active member
Love:

Let me agree with you "Doctor makes mistakes". The trouble is, we all make mistakes, parents included.

Lets say that the Doctor is wrong and he/she does the test. What is the down side? Child fasts, drinks terrible tasting stuff, has the test and pigs out the next day.

Lets say mom is wrong and the kid eats a month of breakfasts. Inflammation is worse. The cause of the inflammation has progressed for another month. Surgery may be required.

I'll err on the Doctor's side.

Bill
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
Printer and a number of us have had the good fortune of knowing the good Dr. S. D. Freedman. And yes, where are the good GI doctors who know more than the spelling of cystic fibrosis? Unlike Printer, I have the background to go toe to toe with most doctors and GI doctors frustrate the crap out of me.

Doctors are not all the brilliant collectives around Boston or Minneapolis or Prague. Not all CFers live anywhere near a CF specialist who does any more than manage by guess and by gosh. With the exception of medicines like Creon, there is very little GI medical specialists do that is specific to CF. I believe there is a huge under treated and ignored set of issues that could make enormous difference in the health of CFers. Patients of Dr. Freedman occasionally forget how lucky we are and how rare.

There isn’t a cohesive organization of CFGI specialists that I know of. The CF clinic near me can’t seem to enlist a GI doctor who takes on CF for any period of time. Granted I have had a GI doctor help me with DIOS from that center and he is doing research on bowel motility, a non trivial problem in some with CF. But, that don’t feed the bulldog.

Mild Crohn’s disease is an oxymoron. I can totally understand your daughter’s and your resistance to a bowel prep, let alone the procedure. It is a pain that you don’t easily forget and submitting to a bowel prep can feel like committing Hari Kari. And as if the doctor suspects, her bowels are inflamed, there’s plenty of reason to be assured this is an appropriate test at this time.

Almost anybody who is living without enough GI tract to defecate the way nature intended will defend the occasional unnecessary colonoscopy. For GI doctors, it is a little magic whereby they can actually look at your interior epithelial mucosa. The doctor doesn’t need to totally understand CF gating mutations in order to see unhealthy tissue and swollen organs. That is the worst extension of ignoring tests and this is not a test a sixteen year old “needs”. Maybe the colonoscopy after this one is too many too soon?

Considering your daughter’s GI doctor is interested enough to suggest performing a scope, you might want to keep that spark of enthusiasm going. Who knows, maybe he’s paying off his new articulating ultrasonic side band scope, it is a business and they have bills too. My better angels think he’s figuring out a problem and something possibly intangible has him caught up. Something has you bothered too that isn’t quite verbal. You’ve managed your daughter’s health for 16 years and I doubt you’re a rookie. Then again, both doctors and parents can have sixteen years of experience or six months experience thirty-two times.

As for getting a second opinion from another GI doctor, most likely the first thing a new GI doctor needs to do is take a look so consider having another discussion about the colonoscopy before going for another medical opinion.


LL
 

Imogene

Administrator
Thanks LittleLab! As usual, you gave perspective and lots for us to think about.
I have been working on Medrise and as always, thinking of this community.
I received this link from Chris Baldwin, PhD. He is working with us and with a new tech/medical center in Amsterdam (in your neck of the globe: twistofchaos)
It seems another thread brought up in this conversation is tests vs. outcomes. This is a hot topic for those of us interested in a new type of healthcare. One that centers on outcomes and not tests.
This talk features diabetes and certainly CFRD is something many of you are always studying.
http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html

Salt and Light,
Jeanne
 
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Cherylwithone

Guest
heathercrittendon, My daughter just turned 21. She had her first colonoscopy at 14 and then had a few more since then. Her GI track is shot. The only way to see what is going on with the intestines
is with a colonoscopy. You would be amazed what they can see. Inflammation being one thing, ulcers, tumors, polyps, ulcerative colitis and weakening or bulging of the intestinal track. After the test the
doctor can use this as a baseline moving forward with your daughter. The reason they always want weight on young people is one good infection their weight goes first and if it is too low and means trouble
for the other organs. My daughters weight did a real bad drop during one infection and it was damage control from all. Without weight you can not fight these infections. She had a feeding tube until her
19 birthday and the deal was maintain the weight and it can come out. She has manage to maintain since. Knock wood.

Don't be afraid to ask the doctor what he or she is looking for and what they hope to gain. Ask about the risk involved. GI in cf seems to get lost. Hang in there.
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Printer,
my understanding is that colonoscopies require sedation and thus there is a risk. I also asked the questions I suggested she ask....what do you do about the inflammation? If nothing why do the text? If something, is it something with less risk than anesthesia. The above post re what they see was very informative. And maybe the gi is looking for more. Questions will help to understand the why and the risks and understand the need for the tests...both for the sake of assessing the risk and sometimes just as importantly for the sake of mom feeling she is making the right decision consenting to a test for her child.
 

Printer

Active member
Love:

I would agree with you, except the Mom here doesn't raise any of these issues. She states two things. One, she "thinks" that the GI Doctor does unnecessary tests and two, all that daughter needs is to eat breakfast.

She wants the population here to tell her that she is right and that the Doctor is wrong. Having done a "cost benefit analysis" I have concluded that Mon is wrong and I believe that she is in denial. Additionally, if she does not "TRUST" that Doctor she should find one that she trusts.

Bill
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
I disagree with your reading. I agree she thinks its unnecessary, but she is asking for input...not for us to say refuse the test. This doctor may be more prone to order tests...others are less prone. Given her experience, if the former, then it makes even more sense to ask for input especially since it sounded like the only reason was weight. That to me is a red flag because our doctors all put ds gi stuff down as not a big deal because his weight was good...even though I explained otherwise. Maybe the daughter isn't getting enough calories....or maybe she has inflammation...or maybe something else. My input was to ask more questions, given my experience. Others pointed out that there might be many reasons to do. Based on my experience, a mom doesn't post here to get approval to do something, but because they truly want input....helpful input based on an array of doctors approaches that we have here...much coming from your experience. If you truly believe otherwise and truly want the mom to do the right thing, say it in a way she will listen. But I truly don't think you are fairly reading her comment. And teach others along the way...as I've learned a ton from the above comments on the purpose of a colonoscopy and what it can find....but does anyone know if it involves anesthesia?
 
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Cherylwithone

Guest
I disagree with your reading. I agree she thinks its unnecessary, but she is asking for input...not for us to say refuse the test. This doctor may be more prone to order tests...others are less prone. Given her experience, if the former, then it makes even more sense to ask for input especially since it sounded like the only reason was weight. That to me is a red flag because our doctors all put ds gi stuff down as not a big deal because his weight was good...even though I explained otherwise. Maybe the daughter isn't getting enough calories....or maybe she has inflammation...or maybe something else. My input was to ask more questions, given my experience. Others pointed out that there might be many reasons to do. Based on my experience, a mom doesn't post here to get approval to do something, but because they truly want input....helpful input based on an array of doctors approaches that we have here...much coming from your experience. If you truly believe otherwise and truly want the mom to do the right thing, say it in a way she will listen. But I truly don't think you are fairly reading her comment. And teach others along the way...as I've learned a ton from the above comments on the purpose of a colonoscopy and what it can find....but does anyone know if it involves anesthesia?

They do not knock them all the way out. It is just enough so they are not aware. There are at least 3 people in the room during this, The doctor, nurse and anethesia. The anethesia dr monitors all the vitals. My daughter has only been all the out when they do a endoscopy at the same time. She has also had a bronch with the other two.

They will do biopsies to check for things. The mom should right down a list of her concerns and discuss with the dr. I would rather have a doctor that is pro active then to have one that lets things go. As with all test there are risk. Each person must weigh the benefit of the test and the health of ones self or their child. They do take photos during this test. The mom can ask to see them and have the doctor explain any findings to her and her daughter. The prep is the worse part but since she has a g-tube it will be easier.
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Yeah, tell ds that! He nearly vomited literally on a lick of chocolate cream pie and says no thank you to all sweets, other than he liked m m that I offered last week! And that notwithstanding my best modeling behavior!!!
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Never any indication. He wont eat because he won't try. Just picky and with a discerning pallet. He could taste the difference when they changed the processing of boast plus from heating x minutes at y degrees to something else. I had to blend them for a couple weeks to ween him.
 
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Shelly43

Guest
As a mom of a teen who's eating habits are sometimes hit and miss. And school lunches don't really hit it I know..Our community school provides on average 725 calories a meal if they eat everything? and what school kid does? Ask the school if you can send snacks to school, if you have and IEP they have to let you? Or you can try my best answer. The CF doctor gave us a prescription for what is called Periactin 2mg three times a day, it's a tiny allergy med with a side effect of hunger. My son takes this when I feel he is losing weight or every other month through growth spurts. So we take it with his Tobi and stop and take it again a month later? He is starved when on it and eats 4-5 meals a day not snacks meals.. I've enjoyed not having to nag him to eat during that month on and I bet you will too.

Hope this helps..Ask your doctor, It's a simple thing and really helps, My son is now in the 25% percentile yippee! 5'5" and 118 pounds..
 
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