Antihistamine for GI issues?

Aboveallislove

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Looking for some thoughts. Our son (5) has had horrible GI issues. We are now on our second good patch (meaning more than 2 weeks of pain free days). The last patch was 6 months and now going on about 1.5 months. When he has problems, it is daily, hourly tummy aches, night waking, some vomiting (not a lot). From my observation, the only thing that changed between good and bad (and bad and good) was that he did a flagyl like drug and increased probiotics. (And also I had upped Miralax the last time in conjunction.) My educated but non-doctor guess of what is going on is that the bacteria gets out of wack. But he doesn't have symptoms of bacterial overgrowth (at least this last time...he did one time and flagyl took care of it). His new GI doesn't like giving the flagyl-like drug (can't remember name...he can't tolerate flagyl but it is given for travelers diarea normally), and did stool samples and xray and only did when things didn't progress and I wanted to try. Both is old and new GI have pushed for putting him on an antistamine because for some reason it calms the gi nerves. My take is this: There ain't nothing wrong with the nerves for long patches SO something is wrong. We need to not mask the symptoms, but figure out what is going on. I'm wondering if others use antihistamines to address GI pain? Your thoughts on my thoughts?
 

Ratatosk

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I've never heard of this before. I've heard of using mucomyst orally on a daily basis to clear out the gunk, mucus in the gi tract. As for antihistamine's, IMO, I'd be concerned about the potential drying effect that it could have on lungs.
 

Rebjane

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I have not heard about antihistamines either. I also worry about the drying effect. How long a course of Flagyl did you son use?

We are still working out my daughter's GI issues as well. They are improved but not back to baseline. We have her on Miralax twice a day, Culturelle twice a day. Prevacid at night.

At this point they have left it up to me about trying a course of Flagyl; I am unsure.
 

Aboveallislove

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Thanks! Yeah, what I'm getting is that they don't think it's a problem of being backed-up, but a problem that he has a "sensitive" nature and feels the GI digestive process in a way that most folks wouldn't be bothered by. Frankly, I don't by it because, for instance, now, he is totally fine. Not a tummy ache in about 4 weeks or more (other than a random one that I can't even remember), but other times every meal, as soon as he eats or even sees food or his enzymes, and then also randomly through out the day and several night wakings. I think he is either "backed up" even though he is pooping and not showing up on Xray; or the bacteria is out of wack in the GI track, even if not a "bacterial overgrowth. But this is the second GI who pushed this, as well as the nurse practioner working with his new GI who did the initial assessment. I hadn't thought of them as drying; I thought we asked this, but will definitely follow-up. It is Periactin--I just pulled the paperwork and see it stops runny nose,...duh, that is drying. Augh. Thanks for pointing that out because I was sure we had checked on the relation to CF. I'm hoping we just keep the stool moving (I've found the "perfect" dosing, water, food, etc. for now), and prevent any bacterial imbalance. Thanks so much!
 

Ratatosk

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Interesting... if you do a search on Periactin and CF, it comes up as an appetite stimulant. Huh, who'd a thunk...?
 

Aboveallislove

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Yeah, they told me two benefits were it stimulates appetitie and makes them sleepy!!! (Not that he needs the appetite stimulant as he's gone from 20ish BMI to 80ish and GI mentioned how they don't usually like to limit intake for CFers, and I'm like "you frickin' idiots... can't yo uever be happy...too low...too high...) But the drying effect would make me nervous. And I still think its hooey, to use the scientific name because he is doing great now!

Rebjane: So sorry she's not back to her normal yet. I know how exhausting it is. Our son has had one 6 month good period and one 1.5 month (still going) and other than that either so-so or bad, or horrible. He did flagyl the first time but could not tolerate...vomited at least 1/3 of the doses and had to give him .1 (yes .1) ml at a time while holding down. He did 10 days of flagyl and the last two times did riboflavin instead and did 10 days too. We found an awesome compounding place that made it tolerable because he can't swallow pills and had a nasty taste too. I'd suggest giving it a go; maybe seeing if they'll try riboflavin; I did some research and on pubmed studies indicated they had similar (if not better with riboflavin) results for bacterial overgrowth because that along with the high dosing of culturelle is what gave him his first good 6 months. Hang in there and let me know if you want more details...it's dosed by weight but I can see the script if that helps.
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
PS Rebjane: Not sure what they told you re the miralax but the bottle says you can mix a dose in 4 ounces but it works much better to do in 8 ounces (learned the hard way on that). Also, that water doesn't count toward daily hydration so make sure she gets extra liquids if that is counting toward what she normally would drink. We added 3 8 ounces of water throughout the day in addition to the 2.5 of miralax water/gateroade and that also helped a lot. Of course, we just learned that re the hydration/liquids that miralax makes it not absorb or something so it doesn't "count" for your daily liquid intake like 6 months ago.
 

Helenlight

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Just wondering if you've investigated allergies? If you find that antihistamine helps, there could well be an allergy component to his issues. Gluten or dairy can be common causes of GI problems in sensitive people. If you haven't tried yet, keeping a food/symptom diary for several weeks might shed some light, or talk to an allergist and a reputable naturopath to help get some answers.
 

LittleLab4CF

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The same histamine reaction that causes our nasal membranes to become inflamed, irritated, swollen and drown in excess mucus production can happen throughout the gut. An almost universal CF complaint is bloating and our swollen, tender intestines are at fault as much as any gas or fecal material.

A histamine reaction is our allergic response and before antihistamine drugs, it was a powerful deterrent to avoid green peppers or whatever. Mild allergies like hay fever make you miserable but won't kill you in most cases, hence, mild. Fortunately we've had antihistamines for serious allergies and limit mild allergy's symptoms.


Enter antihistamine drugs. Honestly, taking antihistamines is not something that feels right. I hate them and I hate how they make me feel. Benadryl is OK excepting the drowsy factor. But this is my personal experience and most people aren't sensitive to antihistamines. The variety of antihistamines is significant and I felt completely fine with a particular antihistamine given to me several years ago. I don't remember the drug, but there's a lot more than the OTC products.

Using certain drugs for seemingly unrelated uses has been around as long as sick people. A heart drug topically applied to the scalp to regrow hair or an antidepressant that really can help pancreatic pain so why not counteract an irritable bowel with an antihistamine?

Several things make sense. Whether it's Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) or Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD), swollen, congested tissue certainly fits a histamine reaction. Antihistamines reverse or normalize the blood flow and stop the inrush of blood cells that result in the miserable inflammation and agitated nerves of an allergic response. Our minor airways and the major ones will swell completely shut during an anaphylactic reaction. The bronchials don't close rather the mucus membranes which can swell from 2 or 3 millimeters to 2 or 3 centimeters in minutes.

Antihistamines shrink swollen membranes in a dehydrating action. Most antihistamines are diuretics and you need more than the usual hydration to counter unintended dehydration. I have had to take antihistamines at various times and the side effects like dehydration and feeling cold usually goes away.

I don't see anything untoward in the idea of treating an allergic response in the intestinal mucosa. It could improve your five year old boy's abdominal comfort. As for calming the sympathetic nerves that feed throughout the gut, why not use an antihistamine?

Logically there's an allergy to something in the gut. GI doctors see our GI problems in the non CF population all the time. Whether the IBD or IBS is a result of CF or alcoholism, the treatment is the same. A psychosomatic disorder of the vagus nerve is a real and common condition that can compound or cause GI problems, mimicking a number of organic issues caused by CF.

Food allergies are real. A higher than usual portion of CFers have gluten or milk allergies and should be given a fair trial by eliminating first one and then the other. The actual percentage of people truly allergic or very allergic like celiac disease is small. Around 50,000 years ago, we began to diversify our diets to include nuts, grains, fruits and vegetables and most people evolved to produce enzymes to process milk protein and the wheat protein or gluten. Even though the chances are slim it's worth onsidering a couple month's trial, first eliminating milk products and then sources of gluten. If it solves the problem, it's an inexpensive experiment.

CFer's GI tracts have all the issues with excess, sticky mucus, sticky food, thick, sticky feces that's determined to block and move poorly through the bowels. My feeling is maldigested foods or nutrient rich feces are the primary source of the intestinal inflammation so many CFers suffer from. I believe that a CFer can limit the amount of abdominal pain and nausea with aggressive attention to properly digested foods.

I have never been prescribed an antihistamine drug for my tender tummy. It isn't a crazy idea.

LL
 

Aboveallislove

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Thanks all! So a few follow-ups.
First, I am virtually positive it is not psychosomatic. He sometimes has tummy aches that I can tell he is either using as an excuse or has worked himself up into, but the ones I'm talking about are different.
Second, what I'm struggling with is this: He has had two extended times where he does not have these problems. One was for six months and he is on another now going on about 1.5 months or more. His food isn't any different. So, could it really be allergies or IBS or inflammation? The only thing that changes is time and a start of mollasse consistency stools (which seem to be following two foods which he loves but which I limit and now exclude--Texas cheese toast and string cheese). He's gotten back on track both times following flagyl-like drug and upping miralax and higher culturelle. I'm trying to "figure it" out so when we get to the bad patch again we know what to do. I just don't get how the anthehystime would make sense with these facts and that seems to be what the doctors think is the appropriate course of action. Besides thinking it doesn't logically make sense, the idea of drying the mucus out worries me. So, given this pattern, could it be allegories that just take time to cause whatever problem? Would inflammation still make sense?? Thanks all!
 
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