Burkholderia cepacia

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Terry

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I have spent many hours on the internet trying to figure this one out. This might sound like a dumb question, but it is the bacteria that causes onion rot. I have found sites that say CFers should avoid onions, gardening, buffets, etc.

Is it possible for someone with CF to get B. Cepacia from eating/handling onions that are bought at the store? The sites that make sense say that we would know that an onion is infected with B. Cepacia and we wouldn't even think of handling it. The sites that seem like they might be a little over the top say CFers shouldn't even eat onions.

Please be patient with my every once in a while dumb questions. Although Marissa is going on 9 years old, I am really only 2 years old in this.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I have spent many hours on the internet trying to figure this one out. This might sound like a dumb question, but it is the bacteria that causes onion rot. I have found sites that say CFers should avoid onions, gardening, buffets, etc.

Is it possible for someone with CF to get B. Cepacia from eating/handling onions that are bought at the store? The sites that make sense say that we would know that an onion is infected with B. Cepacia and we wouldn't even think of handling it. The sites that seem like they might be a little over the top say CFers shouldn't even eat onions.

Please be patient with my every once in a while dumb questions. Although Marissa is going on 9 years old, I am really only 2 years old in this.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I have spent many hours on the internet trying to figure this one out. This might sound like a dumb question, but it is the bacteria that causes onion rot. I have found sites that say CFers should avoid onions, gardening, buffets, etc.

Is it possible for someone with CF to get B. Cepacia from eating/handling onions that are bought at the store? The sites that make sense say that we would know that an onion is infected with B. Cepacia and we wouldn't even think of handling it. The sites that seem like they might be a little over the top say CFers shouldn't even eat onions.

Please be patient with my every once in a while dumb questions. Although Marissa is going on 9 years old, I am really only 2 years old in this.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I have spent many hours on the internet trying to figure this one out. This might sound like a dumb question, but it is the bacteria that causes onion rot. I have found sites that say CFers should avoid onions, gardening, buffets, etc.

Is it possible for someone with CF to get B. Cepacia from eating/handling onions that are bought at the store? The sites that make sense say that we would know that an onion is infected with B. Cepacia and we wouldn't even think of handling it. The sites that seem like they might be a little over the top say CFers shouldn't even eat onions.

Please be patient with my every once in a while dumb questions. Although Marissa is going on 9 years old, I am really only 2 years old in this.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I have spent many hours on the internet trying to figure this one out. This might sound like a dumb question, but it is the bacteria that causes onion rot. I have found sites that say CFers should avoid onions, gardening, buffets, etc.
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<br />Is it possible for someone with CF to get B. Cepacia from eating/handling onions that are bought at the store? The sites that make sense say that we would know that an onion is infected with B. Cepacia and we wouldn't even think of handling it. The sites that seem like they might be a little over the top say CFers shouldn't even eat onions.
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<br />Please be patient with my every once in a while dumb questions. Although Marissa is going on 9 years old, I am really only 2 years old in this.
<br />
<br />Thanks,
<br />Terry
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Don't worry, my teachers always told me the only "stupid" questions were those left unasked. Haha.

Cepacia comes both from onion rot and from pesticides. Farmers are not <i>supposed</i> to use cepacia-related pesticides... but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure some follow it. I'm sure some do not.

I wouldn't bother to avoid onions, though. I LOVE onions, I eat them all the time. Just use common sense, really. If the onion is fuzzy or goopy... throw it away, and preferably don't let Marissa near it (unfortunately I often get stuck throwing away the old onions here because I'm really the only one that cooks with them). If you can throw them out FOR her (which should be easy enough given her age), that's better.

I don't know about the buffets or gardening, but I don't avoid those either. Chances are it's similar to the onion thing. Use common sense, and you'll be okay. Don't pick up stuff that looks old. If it looks like a sketchy buffet... maybe go somewhere else. If Marissa ends up really liking to garden and it really worries you, maybe have her wear a mask. But don't keep her from it, if it turns out she enjoys it. And personally, if you're in your own garden, I wouldn't even bother with a mask. But if it makes you or her feel better, it won't hurt her either.

Quite frankly, you're a LOT more likely to get cepacia from the hospital, or another CFer, than you are an onion or a garden. Really, if you ask me, the hospital is the most dangerous place concerning picking up dangerous bugs like cepacia.
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Don't worry, my teachers always told me the only "stupid" questions were those left unasked. Haha.

Cepacia comes both from onion rot and from pesticides. Farmers are not <i>supposed</i> to use cepacia-related pesticides... but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure some follow it. I'm sure some do not.

I wouldn't bother to avoid onions, though. I LOVE onions, I eat them all the time. Just use common sense, really. If the onion is fuzzy or goopy... throw it away, and preferably don't let Marissa near it (unfortunately I often get stuck throwing away the old onions here because I'm really the only one that cooks with them). If you can throw them out FOR her (which should be easy enough given her age), that's better.

I don't know about the buffets or gardening, but I don't avoid those either. Chances are it's similar to the onion thing. Use common sense, and you'll be okay. Don't pick up stuff that looks old. If it looks like a sketchy buffet... maybe go somewhere else. If Marissa ends up really liking to garden and it really worries you, maybe have her wear a mask. But don't keep her from it, if it turns out she enjoys it. And personally, if you're in your own garden, I wouldn't even bother with a mask. But if it makes you or her feel better, it won't hurt her either.

Quite frankly, you're a LOT more likely to get cepacia from the hospital, or another CFer, than you are an onion or a garden. Really, if you ask me, the hospital is the most dangerous place concerning picking up dangerous bugs like cepacia.
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Don't worry, my teachers always told me the only "stupid" questions were those left unasked. Haha.

Cepacia comes both from onion rot and from pesticides. Farmers are not <i>supposed</i> to use cepacia-related pesticides... but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure some follow it. I'm sure some do not.

I wouldn't bother to avoid onions, though. I LOVE onions, I eat them all the time. Just use common sense, really. If the onion is fuzzy or goopy... throw it away, and preferably don't let Marissa near it (unfortunately I often get stuck throwing away the old onions here because I'm really the only one that cooks with them). If you can throw them out FOR her (which should be easy enough given her age), that's better.

I don't know about the buffets or gardening, but I don't avoid those either. Chances are it's similar to the onion thing. Use common sense, and you'll be okay. Don't pick up stuff that looks old. If it looks like a sketchy buffet... maybe go somewhere else. If Marissa ends up really liking to garden and it really worries you, maybe have her wear a mask. But don't keep her from it, if it turns out she enjoys it. And personally, if you're in your own garden, I wouldn't even bother with a mask. But if it makes you or her feel better, it won't hurt her either.

Quite frankly, you're a LOT more likely to get cepacia from the hospital, or another CFer, than you are an onion or a garden. Really, if you ask me, the hospital is the most dangerous place concerning picking up dangerous bugs like cepacia.
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Don't worry, my teachers always told me the only "stupid" questions were those left unasked. Haha.

Cepacia comes both from onion rot and from pesticides. Farmers are not <i>supposed</i> to use cepacia-related pesticides... but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure some follow it. I'm sure some do not.

I wouldn't bother to avoid onions, though. I LOVE onions, I eat them all the time. Just use common sense, really. If the onion is fuzzy or goopy... throw it away, and preferably don't let Marissa near it (unfortunately I often get stuck throwing away the old onions here because I'm really the only one that cooks with them). If you can throw them out FOR her (which should be easy enough given her age), that's better.

I don't know about the buffets or gardening, but I don't avoid those either. Chances are it's similar to the onion thing. Use common sense, and you'll be okay. Don't pick up stuff that looks old. If it looks like a sketchy buffet... maybe go somewhere else. If Marissa ends up really liking to garden and it really worries you, maybe have her wear a mask. But don't keep her from it, if it turns out she enjoys it. And personally, if you're in your own garden, I wouldn't even bother with a mask. But if it makes you or her feel better, it won't hurt her either.

Quite frankly, you're a LOT more likely to get cepacia from the hospital, or another CFer, than you are an onion or a garden. Really, if you ask me, the hospital is the most dangerous place concerning picking up dangerous bugs like cepacia.
 

Emily65Roses

New member
Don't worry, my teachers always told me the only "stupid" questions were those left unasked. Haha.
<br />
<br />Cepacia comes both from onion rot and from pesticides. Farmers are not <i>supposed</i> to use cepacia-related pesticides... but that doesn't mean much. I'm sure some follow it. I'm sure some do not.
<br />
<br />I wouldn't bother to avoid onions, though. I LOVE onions, I eat them all the time. Just use common sense, really. If the onion is fuzzy or goopy... throw it away, and preferably don't let Marissa near it (unfortunately I often get stuck throwing away the old onions here because I'm really the only one that cooks with them). If you can throw them out FOR her (which should be easy enough given her age), that's better.
<br />
<br />I don't know about the buffets or gardening, but I don't avoid those either. Chances are it's similar to the onion thing. Use common sense, and you'll be okay. Don't pick up stuff that looks old. If it looks like a sketchy buffet... maybe go somewhere else. If Marissa ends up really liking to garden and it really worries you, maybe have her wear a mask. But don't keep her from it, if it turns out she enjoys it. And personally, if you're in your own garden, I wouldn't even bother with a mask. But if it makes you or her feel better, it won't hurt her either.
<br />
<br />Quite frankly, you're a LOT more likely to get cepacia from the hospital, or another CFer, than you are an onion or a garden. Really, if you ask me, the hospital is the most dangerous place concerning picking up dangerous bugs like cepacia.
 
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tammykrumrey

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My nephew cultures B. Cepacia, and he started culturing it when he was about 9 years old. At that age, kids don't really eat too many onions...unless it happens to be cooked in something else that they are eating.

Our CF doctor (my nephew and my daughters all see the same doctor) says there is no way to tell where he caught the cepacia. He never even mentioned onions as a possibilty. I do know that the bacteria was an ingredient used in sprays that, at one time, was used on crops to help control, I thought, root rotting or something. And then the farm land would be infected with the bacteria. They have since stopped using cepacia in the sprays, to the best of my knowledge.

We can only guess that my nephew, Dalton, caught the cepacia from playing in the dirt where he lived at the time...my sister and her hubby lived in the middle of a lot of farm land, as did her in-laws. MAYBE that farm land was at one time treated with sprays that MAY have contained cepacia.

OR, the doctor said he could had caught it just from going to the grocery store. He said the vegies that are 'sprinkled' can contain all kinds of bacteria...that could be harmful. There is just no way to know.

And as of right now, there are only 4 cases of CF patients who are positive with Cepacia seen in the CF clinics here locally, and after 'fingerprinting' the bacteria, none of the strains are the same. Meaning that the bacteria was not spred within the clinic or person to person. Each of the people acquired it someplace else.

I would let my girls eat onions, as long as they were not rotten. But they don't like them. Althugh they do like onion rings. I let them eat them.
My kids love buffets! I can't stand them. But they eat so much and love to have all the options. But I can see where there would be risk of bacteria growth. If I was worried about the cleanliness or the temperature that food was kept, I would definately not let them eat at a buffet. My girls like to help plant flowers during the summer. But when there hands get dirty, they wash them...they don't eat the dirt though.

Does your daughter cultured Cepacia, or are you just nervous about it? I do know that it scares me tremendously. I worry about it all the time because of my nephew. I worry that Dalton will be at my parents house and cough on something and then a few days later my girls go there to visit, and touch the same thing...
We try to be careful and there is a Lysol that does say it kills B. Cepacia, and my parents, my sister and myself all have cans of it!!
There are just little things that we have to think twice about, like my girls riding in my sisters car...probably NOT a good idea, even without Dalton in the car.

I probably gave you way more information than what you were asking.
This is just a subject that is close to my heart.
 
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tammykrumrey

Guest
My nephew cultures B. Cepacia, and he started culturing it when he was about 9 years old. At that age, kids don't really eat too many onions...unless it happens to be cooked in something else that they are eating.

Our CF doctor (my nephew and my daughters all see the same doctor) says there is no way to tell where he caught the cepacia. He never even mentioned onions as a possibilty. I do know that the bacteria was an ingredient used in sprays that, at one time, was used on crops to help control, I thought, root rotting or something. And then the farm land would be infected with the bacteria. They have since stopped using cepacia in the sprays, to the best of my knowledge.

We can only guess that my nephew, Dalton, caught the cepacia from playing in the dirt where he lived at the time...my sister and her hubby lived in the middle of a lot of farm land, as did her in-laws. MAYBE that farm land was at one time treated with sprays that MAY have contained cepacia.

OR, the doctor said he could had caught it just from going to the grocery store. He said the vegies that are 'sprinkled' can contain all kinds of bacteria...that could be harmful. There is just no way to know.

And as of right now, there are only 4 cases of CF patients who are positive with Cepacia seen in the CF clinics here locally, and after 'fingerprinting' the bacteria, none of the strains are the same. Meaning that the bacteria was not spred within the clinic or person to person. Each of the people acquired it someplace else.

I would let my girls eat onions, as long as they were not rotten. But they don't like them. Althugh they do like onion rings. I let them eat them.
My kids love buffets! I can't stand them. But they eat so much and love to have all the options. But I can see where there would be risk of bacteria growth. If I was worried about the cleanliness or the temperature that food was kept, I would definately not let them eat at a buffet. My girls like to help plant flowers during the summer. But when there hands get dirty, they wash them...they don't eat the dirt though.

Does your daughter cultured Cepacia, or are you just nervous about it? I do know that it scares me tremendously. I worry about it all the time because of my nephew. I worry that Dalton will be at my parents house and cough on something and then a few days later my girls go there to visit, and touch the same thing...
We try to be careful and there is a Lysol that does say it kills B. Cepacia, and my parents, my sister and myself all have cans of it!!
There are just little things that we have to think twice about, like my girls riding in my sisters car...probably NOT a good idea, even without Dalton in the car.

I probably gave you way more information than what you were asking.
This is just a subject that is close to my heart.
 
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tammykrumrey

Guest
My nephew cultures B. Cepacia, and he started culturing it when he was about 9 years old. At that age, kids don't really eat too many onions...unless it happens to be cooked in something else that they are eating.

Our CF doctor (my nephew and my daughters all see the same doctor) says there is no way to tell where he caught the cepacia. He never even mentioned onions as a possibilty. I do know that the bacteria was an ingredient used in sprays that, at one time, was used on crops to help control, I thought, root rotting or something. And then the farm land would be infected with the bacteria. They have since stopped using cepacia in the sprays, to the best of my knowledge.

We can only guess that my nephew, Dalton, caught the cepacia from playing in the dirt where he lived at the time...my sister and her hubby lived in the middle of a lot of farm land, as did her in-laws. MAYBE that farm land was at one time treated with sprays that MAY have contained cepacia.

OR, the doctor said he could had caught it just from going to the grocery store. He said the vegies that are 'sprinkled' can contain all kinds of bacteria...that could be harmful. There is just no way to know.

And as of right now, there are only 4 cases of CF patients who are positive with Cepacia seen in the CF clinics here locally, and after 'fingerprinting' the bacteria, none of the strains are the same. Meaning that the bacteria was not spred within the clinic or person to person. Each of the people acquired it someplace else.

I would let my girls eat onions, as long as they were not rotten. But they don't like them. Althugh they do like onion rings. I let them eat them.
My kids love buffets! I can't stand them. But they eat so much and love to have all the options. But I can see where there would be risk of bacteria growth. If I was worried about the cleanliness or the temperature that food was kept, I would definately not let them eat at a buffet. My girls like to help plant flowers during the summer. But when there hands get dirty, they wash them...they don't eat the dirt though.

Does your daughter cultured Cepacia, or are you just nervous about it? I do know that it scares me tremendously. I worry about it all the time because of my nephew. I worry that Dalton will be at my parents house and cough on something and then a few days later my girls go there to visit, and touch the same thing...
We try to be careful and there is a Lysol that does say it kills B. Cepacia, and my parents, my sister and myself all have cans of it!!
There are just little things that we have to think twice about, like my girls riding in my sisters car...probably NOT a good idea, even without Dalton in the car.

I probably gave you way more information than what you were asking.
This is just a subject that is close to my heart.
 
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tammykrumrey

Guest
My nephew cultures B. Cepacia, and he started culturing it when he was about 9 years old. At that age, kids don't really eat too many onions...unless it happens to be cooked in something else that they are eating.

Our CF doctor (my nephew and my daughters all see the same doctor) says there is no way to tell where he caught the cepacia. He never even mentioned onions as a possibilty. I do know that the bacteria was an ingredient used in sprays that, at one time, was used on crops to help control, I thought, root rotting or something. And then the farm land would be infected with the bacteria. They have since stopped using cepacia in the sprays, to the best of my knowledge.

We can only guess that my nephew, Dalton, caught the cepacia from playing in the dirt where he lived at the time...my sister and her hubby lived in the middle of a lot of farm land, as did her in-laws. MAYBE that farm land was at one time treated with sprays that MAY have contained cepacia.

OR, the doctor said he could had caught it just from going to the grocery store. He said the vegies that are 'sprinkled' can contain all kinds of bacteria...that could be harmful. There is just no way to know.

And as of right now, there are only 4 cases of CF patients who are positive with Cepacia seen in the CF clinics here locally, and after 'fingerprinting' the bacteria, none of the strains are the same. Meaning that the bacteria was not spred within the clinic or person to person. Each of the people acquired it someplace else.

I would let my girls eat onions, as long as they were not rotten. But they don't like them. Althugh they do like onion rings. I let them eat them.
My kids love buffets! I can't stand them. But they eat so much and love to have all the options. But I can see where there would be risk of bacteria growth. If I was worried about the cleanliness or the temperature that food was kept, I would definately not let them eat at a buffet. My girls like to help plant flowers during the summer. But when there hands get dirty, they wash them...they don't eat the dirt though.

Does your daughter cultured Cepacia, or are you just nervous about it? I do know that it scares me tremendously. I worry about it all the time because of my nephew. I worry that Dalton will be at my parents house and cough on something and then a few days later my girls go there to visit, and touch the same thing...
We try to be careful and there is a Lysol that does say it kills B. Cepacia, and my parents, my sister and myself all have cans of it!!
There are just little things that we have to think twice about, like my girls riding in my sisters car...probably NOT a good idea, even without Dalton in the car.

I probably gave you way more information than what you were asking.
This is just a subject that is close to my heart.
 
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tammykrumrey

Guest
My nephew cultures B. Cepacia, and he started culturing it when he was about 9 years old. At that age, kids don't really eat too many onions...unless it happens to be cooked in something else that they are eating.
<br />
<br />Our CF doctor (my nephew and my daughters all see the same doctor) says there is no way to tell where he caught the cepacia. He never even mentioned onions as a possibilty. I do know that the bacteria was an ingredient used in sprays that, at one time, was used on crops to help control, I thought, root rotting or something. And then the farm land would be infected with the bacteria. They have since stopped using cepacia in the sprays, to the best of my knowledge.
<br />
<br />We can only guess that my nephew, Dalton, caught the cepacia from playing in the dirt where he lived at the time...my sister and her hubby lived in the middle of a lot of farm land, as did her in-laws. MAYBE that farm land was at one time treated with sprays that MAY have contained cepacia.
<br />
<br />OR, the doctor said he could had caught it just from going to the grocery store. He said the vegies that are 'sprinkled' can contain all kinds of bacteria...that could be harmful. There is just no way to know.
<br />
<br />And as of right now, there are only 4 cases of CF patients who are positive with Cepacia seen in the CF clinics here locally, and after 'fingerprinting' the bacteria, none of the strains are the same. Meaning that the bacteria was not spred within the clinic or person to person. Each of the people acquired it someplace else.
<br />
<br />I would let my girls eat onions, as long as they were not rotten. But they don't like them. Althugh they do like onion rings. I let them eat them.
<br />My kids love buffets! I can't stand them. But they eat so much and love to have all the options. But I can see where there would be risk of bacteria growth. If I was worried about the cleanliness or the temperature that food was kept, I would definately not let them eat at a buffet. My girls like to help plant flowers during the summer. But when there hands get dirty, they wash them...they don't eat the dirt though.
<br />
<br />Does your daughter cultured Cepacia, or are you just nervous about it? I do know that it scares me tremendously. I worry about it all the time because of my nephew. I worry that Dalton will be at my parents house and cough on something and then a few days later my girls go there to visit, and touch the same thing...
<br />We try to be careful and there is a Lysol that does say it kills B. Cepacia, and my parents, my sister and myself all have cans of it!!
<br />There are just little things that we have to think twice about, like my girls riding in my sisters car...probably NOT a good idea, even without Dalton in the car.
<br />
<br />I probably gave you way more information than what you were asking.
<br />This is just a subject that is close to my heart.
<br />
 
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Terry

Guest
I don't let Marissa touch uncooked onions at all. Luckily I don't have to worry so much about her getting it from eating uncooked onions, she hates onions in every way. I do love them.

So the onions that are in our house that have made it pass inspection do rot because of B. Cepacia? Or is that just the normal ripening/dying process of all fruit/vegetables? I guess what I am trying to find out is do all onions harbor B. Cepacia or is it a disease that would have prevented the crop from being harvested/sold?

I totally get waht you are saying about hospitals being the breeding grounds. My daughter had us in the emergency room last night, we had a choice of a stomach flu area or sitting near people who were coughing uncontrollably. I opted for the stomach flu section, lol. At least there's a chance they had food poisonning, and if not it is much quicker to recover from.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I don't let Marissa touch uncooked onions at all. Luckily I don't have to worry so much about her getting it from eating uncooked onions, she hates onions in every way. I do love them.

So the onions that are in our house that have made it pass inspection do rot because of B. Cepacia? Or is that just the normal ripening/dying process of all fruit/vegetables? I guess what I am trying to find out is do all onions harbor B. Cepacia or is it a disease that would have prevented the crop from being harvested/sold?

I totally get waht you are saying about hospitals being the breeding grounds. My daughter had us in the emergency room last night, we had a choice of a stomach flu area or sitting near people who were coughing uncontrollably. I opted for the stomach flu section, lol. At least there's a chance they had food poisonning, and if not it is much quicker to recover from.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I don't let Marissa touch uncooked onions at all. Luckily I don't have to worry so much about her getting it from eating uncooked onions, she hates onions in every way. I do love them.

So the onions that are in our house that have made it pass inspection do rot because of B. Cepacia? Or is that just the normal ripening/dying process of all fruit/vegetables? I guess what I am trying to find out is do all onions harbor B. Cepacia or is it a disease that would have prevented the crop from being harvested/sold?

I totally get waht you are saying about hospitals being the breeding grounds. My daughter had us in the emergency room last night, we had a choice of a stomach flu area or sitting near people who were coughing uncontrollably. I opted for the stomach flu section, lol. At least there's a chance they had food poisonning, and if not it is much quicker to recover from.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I don't let Marissa touch uncooked onions at all. Luckily I don't have to worry so much about her getting it from eating uncooked onions, she hates onions in every way. I do love them.

So the onions that are in our house that have made it pass inspection do rot because of B. Cepacia? Or is that just the normal ripening/dying process of all fruit/vegetables? I guess what I am trying to find out is do all onions harbor B. Cepacia or is it a disease that would have prevented the crop from being harvested/sold?

I totally get waht you are saying about hospitals being the breeding grounds. My daughter had us in the emergency room last night, we had a choice of a stomach flu area or sitting near people who were coughing uncontrollably. I opted for the stomach flu section, lol. At least there's a chance they had food poisonning, and if not it is much quicker to recover from.

Thanks,
Terry
 
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Terry

Guest
I don't let Marissa touch uncooked onions at all. Luckily I don't have to worry so much about her getting it from eating uncooked onions, she hates onions in every way. I do love them.
<br />
<br />So the onions that are in our house that have made it pass inspection do rot because of B. Cepacia? Or is that just the normal ripening/dying process of all fruit/vegetables? I guess what I am trying to find out is do all onions harbor B. Cepacia or is it a disease that would have prevented the crop from being harvested/sold?
<br />
<br />I totally get waht you are saying about hospitals being the breeding grounds. My daughter had us in the emergency room last night, we had a choice of a stomach flu area or sitting near people who were coughing uncontrollably. I opted for the stomach flu section, lol. At least there's a chance they had food poisonning, and if not it is much quicker to recover from.
<br />
<br />Thanks,
<br />Terry
 
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