Careful ... Cipro Weakens Tendons

Grendel

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Cipro weakens tendons, as do the entire family of fluoroquinolone antibiotics.

I learned this as a consequence of going to a sports physician for a torn Achilles tendon. Apparently, it is common knowledge among sports physicians and orthopedic physicians that fluoroquinolones weaken tendons for up to 3 months after use.

Careful all of those who try to exercise to maintain pulmonary function, and who take Cipro.

Good luck.

I wish my CF physician told me this... I may have been more careful or chosen a different physical activity.
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Grendel</b></i><br>Cipro weakens tendons, as do the entire family of fluoroquinolone antibiotics.




I wish my CF physician told me this... I may have been more careful or chosen a different physical activity.<hr></blockquote>

I'm sorry you are in this situation man. And I seriously hate to beat a dead horse. But what are conventional doctors taught? They are taught to treat someone, whenever they might fart crossways, with antibiotics. CF patients bodies are the ultimate battlefield for a conventional doctors warplan. They are riddled with bugs, it's a terminal disease, and the bugs look to be very susceptible to your antibiotic regimen. You as a CF patient gets sick (because true non preventative, non antibiotic care is almost non existant), you need to be healed, doctor comes up with XY4 antibiotic regimen to battle your bugs, courtesy of your most recent sputum culture. Let's just say you and him "win", after he fully nuked your entire system with the equivalent of an internal massive dose of lysol to the counter top, your immediate infection is for all intents and purposes, "gone". You feel fairly nice for a while. What many people fail to realize is that your natural bodies Flora (bacteria) has been massively disrupted, and many of your good bacteria, has been killed off with the bad bacteria. Some of these same bacteria have been shown to produce vitamins, help synthesize fats, and be active proper channels in your system to fascilitate intra cellular chemical absorption. The list is nearly endless. When "normal" people have a cold, or a slight infection somewhere, doctors hand out antibiotics like tic tacs. They take this regimen, and will feel like they are past their infection, but remnants of their bacteria remain, and are in turn passed to others, and this bacteria talks to each other (i'm serious, they do), and instructs the other bacteria how to defend itself from that same threat. And in turn, that "same threat" that is taking place in a friend of yours body, has a good chance of now being resistant to current antibiotic treatments, due to the bacteria communicating, and mutating.

I'm not 100% against antibiotics, but I feel they should be used as a last resort, even something as apparently innocuous as penicillin, should be used as a last resort. If you keep (CF's and non CF's) your body as strong and healthy with natural antimicrobials (be it something as non invasive diet wise as monolaurin, or something as invasive as oil of oregano - due to internal use), and saturated with proper amino acids, and good nutritional supplements, your chances of coming down with crappy infections are automatically drastically reduced. Yes they can still happen, and will still happen. But the "will still happen" comes from those who feel anyone with an MD license are liasons straight from the mouth of god himself.

As i've said before, and I'll continue to say, a VERY strong quote dealing with conventional doctors can be found in this classic quote "If all you have in your toolbox is a hammer, eventually, everything starts to look like nails". I wish everyone the best, I hope you guys take your health very serious, and do serious research into potential supplements that can help you. Everything we ever needed is here, it's just up to us to discover it #1, and #2 for the rest of us not to destroy it.
 

cfgirl2008

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thanks for telling us, i take cipro only when i really feel sick but i havent taken any this year. i hate cipro anyways it taste nasty.

tiffany 15 w/cf
 

shauna

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sure does taste nasty, thats one of the reasons i've refused to take it the past 5 years (that plus the fact it never worked and turns me bright pink and makes me gag) but thanks for the info grendel...now i definitely wont take it if i can help it!

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kybert

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seandavis i fail to see the relevance of your post to the topic. are you suggesting that grendel should not be on anti biotics? because thats what it sounds like...
 

JazzysMom

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By no means am I approving of the medical professions lack of filling in the blanks on affects from the meds they use nor am I saying that they should or shouldnt broaden their outlook on less traditional/more natural alternatives. This is what I am saying......just as its easy for the doctors to follow the protocol or the recommendations of the CF foundation and others regarding the standard treatment of CFers, its easy for us to researc, ask ??? and look into things farther. Many people rely solely on the knowledge and expertise of their doctor because its easier then doing some leg work themselves or the patient doesnt know what/how to look for information. As with much of the world today people are lawsuit happy so doctors or anyone in the medical field must have something behind them to suport their recommendations or plan of treatment even with the side affects noted in the research of those ways. Doctor who go with an herbal/more natural way might have proof of their own that backs their use of alternative methods, but unfortunately in a court of law that isnt always enough. We have the FDA established to regulate/monitor the meds used in society. Are they 100% right on their research etc. No... but at least it is some type of regulation versus the alternative ways that at this time dont have the same regulations. I personally know what works for me in the conventional ways. I have had my problems with meds and am fortunate enough to have a doctor that works with me to get around these affects or avoid them. Would I rather have more natural things going thru my body. Absolutely. However; I am one that is not willing to risk the slightest decline in my health with the hopes of greater improvment. I would much rather know & use what works for me & know there are side affects or the potential of it then to try something alternative that doesnt work for me & by all rights might still have side affects. Maybe I am very fortunate to have a fabulous CF clinic that is open to anything so my concerns arent as high as someone who has a doctor that wants you to be a soldier & just take orders with no input. I basically am tired of the medical society getting bashed. Medicine is not an exact science. Doctors are human (even tho I know many that thing they are God) & the patients need to remember that. Just as the patient needs to remember they can always say no.......the patients bill of rights is implemented for this reason! Thanks for listening to my beef. In the meantime I am sorry to hear of Grendels affects from Cipro, but on the other side of the coin my ?? is did you find out what the possible alternative would have been? Would you still have had the injury? Possibly. Would using another med have helped the infection? Maybe. Hmmmm seems like there is a lot of gray area in this topic......makes you wonder who has the more black/white picture!
 
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luke

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Cipro can occasionally cause tendonitis and possibly cause tearing. The alternative for us though is either IV antibiotics or no antibiotic at all. It is a very mild risk that I am willing to take to avoid IV's whenever possible.



luke
 

anonymous

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I think Grendel just wished his doctors had informed him of the risk. Sounds like he still would have taken it, but would have been more careful with his activities.
 

Diane

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>luke</b></i><br>Cipro in RARE cases can cause tendonitis and possibly cause tearing. The alternative for us though is either IV antibiotics or no antibiotic at all. It is a very mild risk that I am willing to take to avoid IV's whenever possible.







luke<hr></blockquote> meeeeeeee tooooooo
 

wuffles

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Ha, interesting. Earlier in the year I tore my posterior cruciate ligament and also strained my hamstring playing volleyball - not an entirely common injury and I'm not sure how I did it except it popped <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Anyway, as far as I remember, I was taking Cipro about a month prior to that. So, it may be entirely unrelated but I'll keep it in mind if anything similar happens again..
 

Grendel

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I agree with SeanDavis, I only take antibiotics when necessary. However, as my CF advances, ?necessary? is becomming more frequently than I desire. I have used many non-traditional, alternative therapies, which have worked wonders for me. However, at a price. Alternatives are expensive, some very expensive. And since I don't recall winning the Lottery, I do the best I can. I try to weigh the cost and benefits of choosing one therapy over another, and select the option that maximizes my benefit, given my resources.

Additionally, I still would have taken Cipro, but I would have not gone gangbusters in some of my physical activities.

Finally, Luke, you are dead wrong. I wish you were right. However, my sports physician is the team physician for our local professional hockey team, and is the Director for my city's Rockn'Roll Marathon, and the Director for an expansive citywide hospital. He and I had a long discussion about Cipro and the family of antibiotics from which it comes, and he thoroughly convinced me, that this family of antibiotics definitively changes the matrix of the tendon structure permanently with repeated use. This isn't particularly bad, other than the drug changes the design of the tendons, which were ideal to begin with. The particular problem, he said, was that up to 2-3 months after Cipro (this antibiotic family) is taken, tendons are weak in going through this structural change.

If it helps you Luke, I could site the reasearch papers and studies. Believe me I wish you were right, and that this was completely my error. If it were, I could simply be more careful to prevent my risk. Unfortunately, I will keep taking Cipro as needed (when absolutely required), and I will be a candidate for tendon problems for it.

I posted this tread only as a means of suggesting if you take Cipro, be more careful. We each do what we can to survive and thrive if we can. I was just trying to reduce your transaction costs in your pursuit of good health and a pain free life.

Best of luck
 

Faust

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Yeah supplements can be very expensive, especially if you take a ton of them like I am doing currently. If it comes down to choice, take a very good multi vitamin/mineral supplement, a good EFA (essential fatty acids via fish oils) supplement, a good essential and non essential amino acid supplement, and finally a 1oz thing of oreganol P73 oil. Those are the ones id choose if I had to pick only a few. Good natural antiinflamatories and a natural strong antioxidant to help protect your tissues (especially lungs) is essential. I also take a NAC supplement (what mucomist is made out of) to help thin my muscous out further, it also has other benefits if taken strictly as an amino acid supplement.


Just my 2 cents.
 
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luke

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grendel,

I don't see where I am dead wrong, I agreed that cipro causes tendon issues, I guess you disagree with term "rare". The data I have read suggest it rarely occurs. Since you feel so strongly and obvioulsly care much more than I do I will change my term to occasionaly just for you.


have a nice day and tell that famous doctor friend of yours to get me some autographs.



luke
 

anonymous

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Sorry Luke, I didn't mean to come across so fervently against "rarely". I suppose rare isn't what I was told, and rare doesn't really apply and is difficult to digest when it happened to me.

Again, sorry about that.

Grendel
 

anonymous

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I am on Cipro right now, have just started to culture psued...., I hurt from head to toe. Mornings seem to be the worst. I started oregano oil capsules about 2 weeks ago. My grandma has been trying to get me to take it for about ten years. She had horrible sinus problems and since she started to take oregano oil has not had any problems. My mom started about a month ago, who suffers from sinus headaches and she hasn't had one headache since she started. I hope it works for me.
 

Faust

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>I am on Cipro right now, have just started to culture psued...., I hurt from head to toe. Mornings seem to be the worst. I started oregano oil capsules about 2 weeks ago. My grandma has been trying to get me to take it for about ten years. She had horrible sinus problems and since she started to take oregano oil has not had any problems. My mom started about a month ago, who suffers from sinus headaches and she hasn't had one headache since she started. I hope it works for me.<hr></blockquote>


I hope so also. What your grandma had is exactly what happened to my sister, and her results were the same. The best thing about it, is that your bacteria can't become resistant to it, because it drowns the bacteria, it doesn't try and alter the bacterias DNA. I also neb the stuff with albuterol so it has a more direct contact with my lungs, but that is a personal choice. Taking the gelcaps is certainly a good start.


After two weeks of being on the caps, how are you feeling? Also what brand are you taking?
 
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