CF Care in Germany

RachElizza

New member
Hi,

I am living in Germany for three months, but am hoping to find a permanent job here.

However, I want to know about CF care in Germany. I found out that pre exsisting condition does not matter when it comes to insurance here.

What does a typical doctor's visit look like?
What is the routine when you are sick?
Are any meds especially hard to find?
Are you able to get all meds needed?

If anyone has insight or coupld point me to someone or somewhere that does I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks!
 
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sdeuber

Guest
Hi RachElizza
awesome! I am German and lived in Germany when I was diagnosed. Now I am back in the US (SF area).
Meds are typically approved earlier in Germany than the US. The also have the equivalent of the cff.org.
WHich city are you going to?
My doc is in Munich but I can ping him for referrals in other cities.
PM me privately to exchange contact details!
 
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Ramjid

Guest
As someone who never traveled much, I can't really compare CF care in different parts of the world, but I am a native German and can tell you my experiences here in Hamburg. Although there's an adulct CF center in Hamburg, I still visit the pediatric clinic in Hamburg-Altona. I've known my doctor and many nurses my entire life and I am treated by experts, so transferring isn't a priority for me.

What does a typical doctor's visit look like?
If I see my CF doctor for checkups, I'll make an appointment a few weeks in advance. Once I show up at the reception area, I'll be shuffled in a separate waiting room to avoid contact with any other patients or CF people. After weighting, blood is drawn and basic lab work (CRP, O², IgE) is done on location. Full blood count and sputum samples for antibiograms are sent to a nearby lab. My doctor will come in, do a physical examination (abdomen, thorax, joints, fingers, ears, nose, throat) and we'll discuss my current status and future treatment. Once a month there's a meeting of all specialists involved in CF care (doctors, RTs, psychologists, dieticians etc.) discussing their patient's current status together.

What is the routine when you are sick?
If I feel sick or think I might be getting there, I'll call the clinic. They'll connect me with my doctor. If there's something more urgent, I just call his mobile number. If possible he gives me instructions/advice on how to proceed (prescriptions, treatments etc.) and then usually asks me to see him as soon as possible. No need for appointments or anything like that. Once I'm at the clinic I might have to wait a bit longer, but they'll make sure I can sit down or even lie down in a separate room. If the need arises, the CF clinic will arrange hospitalization or referral to another specialist. They closely cooperate with several hospitals and physicians in the area, so waiting times are rarely a problem. If there are any problems with getting (urgent) appointments, my doctors are more than willing to make some angry phone calls to reluctant colleagues ;)


Are any meds especially hard to find?

Not really. As soon as you get a prescribtion, you just visit the nearest pharmacy. Some exotic medications might take a day to be available, but that's the exception. If it is really urgent, pharmacists usually find ways and means (nearby hospitals & clinics, other pharmacists) to get just about any medication on time. If you want to do home IV and need some antibiotic cocktail mixed up, you might need to find a pharmacy with adequate facilities. But they'll be more than happy to deliver your meds to your doorstep twice a day if neccessary. We're very reliable customers, after all...

Are you able to get all meds needed?

From a logistical point of view, you can get every medication that has been approved within 24 hours. See the above. Getting your insurance to pay for it can be a bit more tricky. My insurance likes to argue about things like high-caloric drinks, vitamin preparations and calcium, but rarely questions the more serious stuff (antibiotics, nebulizers etc.). So be prepared to spend quite some time explaining medical issues to an uninformed insurance clerk.

If you need any further information, the German CF Association is called Mukoviszidose e.V. Their english website is a joke, but if you're able to read german, there's plenty of information: www.muko.info
If you're looking for CF centers in your area, just try this link: http://muko.info/forschung/public-reporting.html

Best of luck here in Germany!
 
I lived in Berlin for 6 months and had fantastic care from Dr. Doris Staab. She was very willing to try out new things (I was on cipro continuously while there, and she doubled the concentration of colistin I inhale), but as Ramjid said, they took labs and sputum every visit, did a full pft and were very willing to hand me copies of all the reports to bring back to my doctors in the stated. I walked out paying €273 for the whole visit, which my american insurance company reimbursed.
 
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