CF with negative sweat test

anonymous

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Ok, since this topic seems to come up rather frequently, I was just wondering how many people have tested positive through genetic testing, for cf despite having a *valid* negative sweat test?? (as in the person <b>never</b> had a borderline or positive sweat test, only the negative sweat test thru a cf center) Also, what mutations do you have and what was/were your sweat chloride scores??? I was told that when a sweat test is performed at a cf center and the correct amount of sweat is collected, a score in the teens or single digits, it is extremely rare that the person will have two genes for cf. Just wondering what everyone's experiences have been (please feel free to share experiences from friends/family as well.)
Thanks!!!!
 

anonymous

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Ok, since this topic seems to come up rather frequently, I was just wondering how many people have tested positive through genetic testing, for cf despite having a *valid* negative sweat test?? (as in the person <b>never</b> had a borderline or positive sweat test, only the negative sweat test thru a cf center) Also, what mutations do you have and what was/were your sweat chloride scores??? I was told that when a sweat test is performed at a cf center and the correct amount of sweat is collected, a score in the teens or single digits, it is extremely rare that the person will have two genes for cf. Just wondering what everyone's experiences have been (please feel free to share experiences from friends/family as well.)
Thanks!!!!
 

anonymous

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I've posted this before. DS was born with a bowel obstruction due to meconium illeus. His sweat test results were 32 at an accredited CF center (Minneapolis Children's). His genetic blood test -- postitive. Homozygous delta f508. Liza
 

anonymous

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I've posted this before. DS was born with a bowel obstruction due to meconium illeus. His sweat test results were 32 at an accredited CF center (Minneapolis Children's). His genetic blood test -- postitive. Homozygous delta f508. Liza
 

Alyssa

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My son and daughter both have:

Delta F508
R117H

My daughter has had 4 sweat tests (2 from a CF accredited facility) All scores were 38

My son has had one sweat test at a CF accredited facility his score is 41
 

Alyssa

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My son and daughter both have:

Delta F508
R117H

My daughter has had 4 sweat tests (2 from a CF accredited facility) All scores were 38

My son has had one sweat test at a CF accredited facility his score is 41
 

cosmokramer

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My daughter who is now 8 months old had two negative sweat tests done at an accredited CF center. 28 and 36 were her results. We did have genetic testing done and found two mutations, one being DF508 the other P750L. She currently has no signs, no symptoms, of CF. We did the genetic testing because of her sweat tests # being in the normal range but on the high end.
 

cosmokramer

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My daughter who is now 8 months old had two negative sweat tests done at an accredited CF center. 28 and 36 were her results. We did have genetic testing done and found two mutations, one being DF508 the other P750L. She currently has no signs, no symptoms, of CF. We did the genetic testing because of her sweat tests # being in the normal range but on the high end.
 

hhhhhmom

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Hi,

I don't know why I keep checking this site other than the comfort (maybe that's a bizarre word for it) of knowing that there are other parents going through VERY similar situations.

My son has all the symptoms/signs of cf other than weight issues. He has never been underweight but has had pneumonia at least once a year--usually twice a year--forever, frequent sinus infections, stomach problems, Type I diabetes, and now he has nasal polyps which I'm told are very rare in kids(?), but he had a sweat test of 16. My son has a primary immunodeficiency disease (different from aids in that it is genetic) and the symptoms are very similar to cf--probably why they thought he might have it. If cf doesn't seem to be the answer for you or your child, you can find information by checking the National Primary Immunodeficiency Resource Center--sorry, but I don't know the website address. I'll find the address and post it later.

Good luck.
 

hhhhhmom

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Hi,

I don't know why I keep checking this site other than the comfort (maybe that's a bizarre word for it) of knowing that there are other parents going through VERY similar situations.

My son has all the symptoms/signs of cf other than weight issues. He has never been underweight but has had pneumonia at least once a year--usually twice a year--forever, frequent sinus infections, stomach problems, Type I diabetes, and now he has nasal polyps which I'm told are very rare in kids(?), but he had a sweat test of 16. My son has a primary immunodeficiency disease (different from aids in that it is genetic) and the symptoms are very similar to cf--probably why they thought he might have it. If cf doesn't seem to be the answer for you or your child, you can find information by checking the National Primary Immunodeficiency Resource Center--sorry, but I don't know the website address. I'll find the address and post it later.

Good luck.
 

Alyssa

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Laura,

I think you should stick around on this site -- you never know what you might learn. If "comfort" isn't quite the right word (and I tend to think it still might be the right word) maybe "familiar" or "similar situation" would be accurate too.

At any rate, seems like your son does have a lot of symptoms in common with people with CF and therefore alot of what you are going through is similar to all of us.

I would still wonder if it's not CF -- I know there is at least one other person on here that didn't respond to this post that is a double DeltaF508 and if memory serves me correctly, she has a sweat test number in the teens. (although I could be wrong, and it is far from scientific) but sweat tests are only one diagnostic tool -- if I were you, I'd still be insisting on the genetic testing (full testing, not just a screening)

Anyway -- hang around for a while!
 

Alyssa

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Laura,

I think you should stick around on this site -- you never know what you might learn. If "comfort" isn't quite the right word (and I tend to think it still might be the right word) maybe "familiar" or "similar situation" would be accurate too.

At any rate, seems like your son does have a lot of symptoms in common with people with CF and therefore alot of what you are going through is similar to all of us.

I would still wonder if it's not CF -- I know there is at least one other person on here that didn't respond to this post that is a double DeltaF508 and if memory serves me correctly, she has a sweat test number in the teens. (although I could be wrong, and it is far from scientific) but sweat tests are only one diagnostic tool -- if I were you, I'd still be insisting on the genetic testing (full testing, not just a screening)

Anyway -- hang around for a while!
 

anonymous

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OP here. To Laura, 2 of my 3 children have been tested for immune defs. In youngest ds, they found elevated IgE (indicator of allergies) and his body failed to make antibodies from the prevnar vaccine but after revaccinating with pneumovax, everything was fine. DD they only found very highly elevated IgE (common in allergic children with eczema). Our official dx is asthma for all 3 which does fit with the family history but all 3 are somewhat atypical. Oldest ds has lower lung function (FEV1 hovers around 80% but lower airways are never above 65%) and has NO reversibility with albuterol, xopenex, or maxair (only bronchodilators tested) and only minimal improvement with inhaled steroids. He does have more improvement with prednisone. He has chronic daily headaches, had recurring strep plus frequently grew out "odd" bacteria on throat cultures but has now had tonsils/adenoids removed. He does not have sinusitis. He also has IBS. Youngest ds is barely on the growth charts (44# at 8 yrs). His weight is a major struggle. He is also asthmatic but usually has really high lung function - over 120% except when really sick. He has a long history of ear infections and chronic sinusitis. When he had his sinus surgery, the ENT (treats many cf patients) said he didn't care if ds's sweat test was neg, he sincerely thought ds looked like a classic cf case to him. His sweat test was 9 and was at an accredited center. He was tested through genzyme and found no mutations. Insurance won't cover an extended panel since his sweat test and genzyme test were both negative. Both boys have mildly clubbed fingers and toes (NOT genetic since NO ONE in our family has clubbed fingers). DD also has asthma and had recurring pneumonia (5 times in 13 months) and ear infections. Her asthma is atypical in that it frequently presents with crackling and she's never had a "normal" or clear x-ray. She has, however, been much healthier in the past 1-1/2 yrs and we haven't heard any crackling during that time. She is fine on growth but has chronic constipation and we have to use miralax or she'll get backed up and need enemas. Her sweat test was also performed at an accredited center and was a low negative (10). Even though the pulmonologists (who by the way are affiliated with a cf clinic) consider my children "just" atypical asthmatics with a myriad of other issues, like you, I find it hard not to lurk here. Partly because it took so long to "rule out" cf (1-1/2 yrs from ds's sweat test to genetic test), partly because a close friend of mine lost his wife to cf many years ago, and partly because you can't ever truelly "rule out" cf although I know the probability is extremely small. I can't remember what ds's genetic test said - maybe 1/164,000??

Anyway, just wanted to say, I understand why you're drawn here since I am as well!
 

anonymous

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OP here. To Laura, 2 of my 3 children have been tested for immune defs. In youngest ds, they found elevated IgE (indicator of allergies) and his body failed to make antibodies from the prevnar vaccine but after revaccinating with pneumovax, everything was fine. DD they only found very highly elevated IgE (common in allergic children with eczema). Our official dx is asthma for all 3 which does fit with the family history but all 3 are somewhat atypical. Oldest ds has lower lung function (FEV1 hovers around 80% but lower airways are never above 65%) and has NO reversibility with albuterol, xopenex, or maxair (only bronchodilators tested) and only minimal improvement with inhaled steroids. He does have more improvement with prednisone. He has chronic daily headaches, had recurring strep plus frequently grew out "odd" bacteria on throat cultures but has now had tonsils/adenoids removed. He does not have sinusitis. He also has IBS. Youngest ds is barely on the growth charts (44# at 8 yrs). His weight is a major struggle. He is also asthmatic but usually has really high lung function - over 120% except when really sick. He has a long history of ear infections and chronic sinusitis. When he had his sinus surgery, the ENT (treats many cf patients) said he didn't care if ds's sweat test was neg, he sincerely thought ds looked like a classic cf case to him. His sweat test was 9 and was at an accredited center. He was tested through genzyme and found no mutations. Insurance won't cover an extended panel since his sweat test and genzyme test were both negative. Both boys have mildly clubbed fingers and toes (NOT genetic since NO ONE in our family has clubbed fingers). DD also has asthma and had recurring pneumonia (5 times in 13 months) and ear infections. Her asthma is atypical in that it frequently presents with crackling and she's never had a "normal" or clear x-ray. She has, however, been much healthier in the past 1-1/2 yrs and we haven't heard any crackling during that time. She is fine on growth but has chronic constipation and we have to use miralax or she'll get backed up and need enemas. Her sweat test was also performed at an accredited center and was a low negative (10). Even though the pulmonologists (who by the way are affiliated with a cf clinic) consider my children "just" atypical asthmatics with a myriad of other issues, like you, I find it hard not to lurk here. Partly because it took so long to "rule out" cf (1-1/2 yrs from ds's sweat test to genetic test), partly because a close friend of mine lost his wife to cf many years ago, and partly because you can't ever truelly "rule out" cf although I know the probability is extremely small. I can't remember what ds's genetic test said - maybe 1/164,000??

Anyway, just wanted to say, I understand why you're drawn here since I am as well!
 

hhhhhmom

New member
Hi again,

This is the best site! Alyssa, I AM going to insist on full genetic testing or else I will wonder forever whether it could be cf. I just wanted to point out immunodefficient problems as a thought for people still needing answers.

Anonymous, my son had tests recently that showed he has almost nonexistent IgG and IgM and lowish IgA which is unusual to anything I have ever read--it's usually IgA that is very low with either IgG or IgM. We are waiting to find out how his body responds to pneumonia and tetanus to see if his T and B cells are working at all. Email sometime at robertnlaura@netzero.net.

Thanks,
 

hhhhhmom

New member
Hi again,

This is the best site! Alyssa, I AM going to insist on full genetic testing or else I will wonder forever whether it could be cf. I just wanted to point out immunodefficient problems as a thought for people still needing answers.

Anonymous, my son had tests recently that showed he has almost nonexistent IgG and IgM and lowish IgA which is unusual to anything I have ever read--it's usually IgA that is very low with either IgG or IgM. We are waiting to find out how his body responds to pneumonia and tetanus to see if his T and B cells are working at all. Email sometime at robertnlaura@netzero.net.

Thanks,
 

mistylavon

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Just thought I'd share my daugter's scores too. She tested positive to the cheek saliva swab with 2 delta f508 genes and had a very positive sweat test, one arm was 106 and one arm was 107. I see that several here had low sweat test numbers, does it mean a worse case if the number is higher? This is all new to me, she was only diagnosed 2 weeks ago.
 

mistylavon

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Just thought I'd share my daugter's scores too. She tested positive to the cheek saliva swab with 2 delta f508 genes and had a very positive sweat test, one arm was 106 and one arm was 107. I see that several here had low sweat test numbers, does it mean a worse case if the number is higher? This is all new to me, she was only diagnosed 2 weeks ago.
 
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