Emily65roses

Emeraldmirror

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I can't remember if i got your name right.. but i'm sure you know who you are. But anyway Emily i wanted to ask you a question. I know you are the one who is taking deaf culture courses (or something along those lines) I actually got a job back in january doing bell relay. I think it's a fun job. I also after taking sensitivity training and all those things i was actually thinking about taking sign language, but i wanted to know if it was hard, cause i know i used to be good at french and i was good at spanish i just have this problem with actually doing stuff. I just wanted to know how long it took you to learn and you know stuff. Anyway ttyl


Ashley 20 w/cf
 

anonymous

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This isnt really related but I learned how to do a bit of sign a few years ago. I found the more I practised it the easier it became. But i only learned a little bit, plus because I live in Ireland, its different to american sign, Just thought I'd throw that in there, 65emilies is definately your best shot for info! Shamrock x
 

Emeraldmirror

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We had a guy come into our work and talk about deaf cutlure as a part of our sensitivity training, he was deaf. He actually told us the story about how sign language came to North America. I guess our sign language is more closely related to french (which is why when the asl users call in they're so hard to understand because it's almost like directly translating french into english) i guess it's because britian wouldn't teach this one guy their sign so they same guy went to france and asked someone there. And from there it evolved. He also said that sign language is different everywhere, but basically the same. Like you would undertsand what someone in spain was saying because of the context, not the actual signs. I hope i explained that right.

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Emily65Roses

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Sorry I was unaware my attention was being called for. Coll let me know. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

Yeah I'm an ASL major in college. I'm constantly taking ASL classes... as well as Deaf Culture and Deaf History classes. As far as learning ASL... it is difficult, I suppose. But I myself am having a much easier time with ASL than with any spoken lanuage. In high school, I took over 3 years of Spanish, and one semester of sign language, and I graduated knowing more sign than I did Spanish. I just personally find it much more interesting. It's as difficult as any other language, except that it may be even more difficult, because it's in no way like English. It's not spoken, there aren't exact translations to a lot of words or phrases. You have to kind of screw around and find "closest match" things. Also, a lot of the grammar is in facial expression, which spoken language doesn't call for. You have to be careful with eyebrows and with your mouth-shape, (teeth, tongue, etc) and with the gaze in your eyes, etc etc etc.

But in my opinion, it's also a lot easier simply because it's a lot more interesting. So in my opinion... I'd say give it a try... Take one course. And by the end, you'll know if it's worth it to you to try or not. If you like it enough, or if it's just too hard. Good stuff like that. Try a sign 1 class, and find out if you want to keep going. I myself would encourage it, but I'm biased. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">
 

Emily65Roses

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Oh and Ashley, yes you're right. ASL is much closer related to LSF (basically translated language French sign). A Deaf teacher named Laurent Clerc came to America with Thomas Gallaudet (who had a little neighbor girl named Alice Cogswell who was Deaf) who was trying to start a Deaf school. He ended up starting the American School for the Deaf in West Hartford, CT. And then later, the university in DC was named after him.

The guy in Britain who refused to teach Gallaudet sign was... *looks it up* Braidwood. His family was snotty, and basically told Gallaudet it would take years upon years of internship and really awful pay. So Gallaudet kept searching... and was pleased when he found Clerc in France because Clerc was willing to come back to America on the boat. He taught Gallaudet to sign both on the boat, and after having started the school.

PS-- for anyone else with any Deaf culture/history or ASL questions, feel free to ask me. The leading hearing person who's an advocate for the Deaf is the advisor for the ASL department at Northeastern. I've taken two classes with him so far, and he's extremely intelligent. I can probably answer almost anything you'll ask. And if not, I can direct you to someplace or someone that may be able to answer it for you.
 

anonymous

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Emily
I have taken an Signing Exact English (I think) class years ago and at the time, the teacher acted like this was the "up and coming" sign language. Not true?
And are ASL and Exact English close to being the same, basically. If I remember right, EE has a sign for every word, where ASL, like you said can have a sign for a phrase?
I also remember the last class where we actually signed with deaf people and I learned right then that that's really where the learning came in because I had a hard time following them. You have to not only learn to do sign language, but also learn to read it from people that are actually deaf, away from the class setting-something I didn't follow up on. Did you find this to be true, or is it just me?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
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Emeraldmirror

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Emily, don't worry about not getting back to me right away i went to my parents friday and saturday so i wasn't looking online until now. I took three years of spanish in school as well.. and then all the years of forced french.. but i know very very little french.. i was never interested. Thanks for the info i'll probably be taking classes in september hopefully.. or so... well anyways, if you wanna talk more my email is emeraldmirror@hotmail.com i also have msn.

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Emily65Roses

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Elle, they're not quite the same. SEE is not only a sign for every word, but it's also not the same grammar or structure. ASL has an entirely different grammar all its own. Instead of saying something like "I am going to the store," you would say "me go store." And a lot of stuff is in different order... like for asking someone why they did X, you'd say "you do X, why?" It's like any other language, where the grammar is not in the same order as English.

As for SEE being the up and coming thing... not really. Since sign language has been in existance, it has been seen as inferior and not a real language. It has been said to have "no order, structure, or grammar," which of course, is untrue. SEE was basically a way for people who thought ASL was not a real language to "make it into" one (mind you, SEE started hundreds of years ago). They take the "lack of grammar and structure" and forceably mold it into the structure of English, so that it has "proper grammar." You see what a mean? Technically, SEE is not a language its own, only the visual representation of English. ASL is a language its own, though. Not only that, but in "nature," Deaf people don't actually use SEE to communicate. If they are trained to use SEE because it's a "proper" language, they can. But if left to their own devices, they always convert back to the natural grammar of ASL.

Mind you, I'm not calling you down or anything. Haha. Learning any sign at all is nifty in my book. But you asked of the nature of SEE, so there it is. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

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Hmmm....I didn't know the history of SEE, nor did I know really how ASL works. I didn't think you talked down at all. I was looking for more info & you provided it<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Sounds to me like ASL is a little less cumbersome, (if that's the right word) than SEE.
Thanks,
Elle
 

Emily65Roses

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ASL requires a little more learning, because it's a whole new grammar structure... But yes, SEE is a LOT more cumbersome. So in the end, learning ASL is really worth it. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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