hearing loss, aminoglycoside, antioxidant what you should know.

dramamama

New member
Hi I just posted this on another thread, but I believe it is important enough to have its own thread....if I do say so myself. It is very late so hopefully this will make sense...I will check in the morning and make sure.!!!

I have been seeing a lot of people talking about hearing loss and Tobra, amikacin and other aminoglycosides...(gent) I have been doing a lot of research on this topic and I just wanted to post some of the info.


Basically, what it comes down to is this. Hearing loss, is due to oxidative stress...even hearing loss due to aging is due to to a decrease in antioxidants. Injury from load noise is a product of oxidative stress and can be prevented with antioxidant supplementation. As cfers, we are critically low in many of these antioxidants...when subjected to repeated rounds of oto-toxic drugs, our oxidative burdens are sometimes too much and we experience hearing loss. I had terrible ringing four years ago when taking amikacin and tobra..we tried several times and had to discontiue because they were worried about hearing loss. After getting started on a healthy diet, antioxidant supplemention, magnesium and probiotics..I am able to take these drugs with no problem now. The ringing has never recurred and I am a firm believer this had to due with my change in antioxidant status...

As I have stated so many times..I know, I never shut up, my vit, mineral and antioxidant levels have all improved so much from four years ago when I had them all tested...Anyway, just wanted you guys to read some studies from PIER REVIEWD JOURNALS. If you are having a problem with these drugs, you really should consider arming yourself with this knowledge!!!!

I demanded to have all of these antioxidants tested in my blood because I knew what they did not have time to learn....antioxidants matter, glutathione matters, vit e matters, vit c matters. If you are unsure about taking supplements, go have you blood tested...
I saw somewhere that hearing loss is the nature of the beast (of aminoglicosides.) Well put, but unfortunately, very incomplete....We can protect ourselves and we should demand it. Interestingly, when you pub-med search aminoglycosides and antioxidants tons of stuff comes up.....if you add cf, hearing loss, antioxidants aminoglycosides nothing..... we have got to wake some people up <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<b>Antioxidant enzyme levels inversely covary with hearing loss after amikacin treatment. </b>

Klemens JJ,
Meech RP,
Hughes LF,
Somani S,
Campbell KC.
Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Springfield, IL, USA.
This study's purpose was to determine if a correlation exists between cochlear antioxidant activity changes and auditory function after induction of amino-glycoside (AG) ototoxicity. Two groups of five 250-350 g albino guinea pigs served as subjects. For 28 days, albino guinea pigs were administered either 200 mg/kg/day amikacin, or saline subcutaneously. Auditory brainstem response testing was performed prior to the first injection and again before sacrifice, 28 days later. Cochleae were harvested and superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione-S-transferase, glutathione reductase activities and malondialdehyde levels were measured. All antioxidant enzymes had significantly lower activity in the amikacin group (p < or = 0.05) than in the control group. The difference in cochlear antioxidant enzyme activity between groups inversely correlated significantly with the change in ABR thresholds.<b> The greatest correlation was for the high frequencies, which are most affected by aminoglycosides. This study demonstrates that antioxidant enzyme activity and amikacin-induced hearing loss significantly covary.
</b>PMID: 12859138 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


<b>The role of antioxidants in protection from ototoxic drugs.</b>

Sergi B,
Fetoni AR,
Ferraresi A,
Troiani D,
Azzena GB,
Paludetti G,
Maurizi M.
Institute of Otolaryngology, Catholic University of Rome, Italy. carosergi@yahoo.com
A number of studies have shown that cisplatin and gentamicin ototoxic effects may result from free radical-mediated damage due to the reduction of antioxidant substances and an increased lipid peroxidation. The authors summarize the results obtained evaluating the auditory and vestibular functions and the inner ear hair cell morphology and survival after administration of antioxidant agents against cisplatin and gentamicin. In the first experiment, albino guinea pigs were treated with gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) alone or gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) plus alpha-tocopherol (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) for 2 weeks. In a second experiment, albino guinea pigs were injected with cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) or cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) plus tiopronin (300 mg/kg) for 6 days. Electrocochleographic recordings were made from an implanted round window electrode. In all experiments compound action potentials (CAPs) were measured at 2-16 kHz. Changes in cochlear function were characterized as CAP threshold shifts. To evaluate vestibular function, the animals underwent sinusoidal oscillations in the dark about their vertical and longitudinal axes to evoke horizontal and vertical vestibulo-ocular reflexes (VOR). Frequency stimulation parameters ranged from 0.02 to 0.4 Hz and peak-to-peak amplitude was 20 degrees. Morphological changes were analysed by light microscopy and scanning electron microscopy. Both hearing loss and vestibular dysfunction induced by gentamicin were significantly attenuated by alpha-tocopherol. However, tiopronin co-therapy slowed the progression of hearing loss in cisplatin-treated animals and significantly attenuated the final threshold shifts. Cisplatin had little effect on the hair cells of cristae ampullares and maculae. Vestibular function was completely preserved in tiopronin co-treated animals. <b>In conclusion, antioxidants such as alpha-tocopherol or tiopronin interfere with gentamicin and cisplatin damage and this suggests that they may be useful in preventing oto-vestibulotoxicity. Therefore, it is important to develop protective strategies that permit the avoidance of the toxic side effects of these drugs without interfering with their therapeutic effects.
PMID: 15219046
</b>

1: Hear Res. 1995 Jun;86(1-2):15-24. Links
<b>Glutathione protection against gentamicin ototoxicity depends on nutritional status</b>.

Lautermann J,
McLaren J,
Schacht J.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, Department of Otolaryngology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 48109-0506, USA.
This study demonstrates that gentamicin ototoxicity depends on dietary factors and correlates with tissue glutathione levels. After 15 days of gentamicin injections (100 mg/kg/day s.c.) guinea pigs on a regular protein diet (18.5% protein) had an average hearing loss of 9 dB at 3 kHz, 31 dB at 8 kHz and 42 dB at 18 kHz. Guinea pigs on a 7% protein diet showed an increased hearing loss of 52 dB at 3 kHz, 63 dB at 8 kHz and 74 dB at 18 kHz. Supplementing the low protein diet with either essential or sulfur-containing amino acids did not protect against gentamicin ototoxicity. Glutathione levels in the cochlear sensory epithelium were decreased in animals on a low protein diet and could be restored to normal by oral administration of glutathione monoethyl ester (1.2 g/kg/day) in combination with vitamin C (100 mg/kg/day). Glutathione supplementation significantly reduced the magnitude of hearing loss in the low protein diet group at all frequencies (43 dB reduction at 3 kHz, 27 dB reduction at 8 kHz and 21 dB reduction at 18 kHz). In animals on a full protein diet, dietary glutathione neither increased cochlear glutathione levels nor attenuated hearing loss. Serum gentamicin levels did not differ between animals on the various diets with or without glutathione supplement. <b>These results suggest that gentamicin toxicity and detoxifying mechanisms are affected by the metabolic state of the animal and the glutathione content of the tissue. Thus, compounds that could potentially protect against gentamicin ototoxicity may be more correctly assessed in animal models of deficient nutritional states in which endogenous detoxifying mechanisms are compromised. This animal model might also be more realistically related to the clinical situation of a critically ill patient receiving gentamicin treatment. </b>

<b>Glutathione limits noise-induced hearing loss</b>.

Ohinata Y,
Yamasoba T,
Schacht J,
Miller JM.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0506, USA.
The generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) is thought to be part of the mechanism underlying noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL). Glutathione (GSH) is an important cellular antioxidant that limits cell damage by ROS. In this study, we investigated the effectiveness of a GSH supplement to protect GSH-deficient animals from NIHL. Pigmented guinea pigs were exposed to a 4 kHz octave band noise, 115 dB SPL, for 5 h. Group 1 had a normal diet, while groups 2, 3 and 4 were fed a 7% low protein diet (leading to lowered tissue levels of GSH) for 10 days prior to noise exposure. One hour before, immediately after and 5 h after noise exposure, subjects received either an intraperitoneal injection of 5 ml/kg body weight of 0.9% NaCl (groups 1 and 2), 0.4 M glutathione monoethyl ester (GSHE; group 3) or 0.8 M GSHE (group 4). Auditory thresholds were measured by evoked brain stem response at 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20 kHz before and after noise exposure. Ten days post exposure, group 1 showed noise-induced threshold shifts of approximately 20 dB at 2, 16 and 20 kHz and 35 to 40 dB at other frequencies. Threshold shifts in group 2 were significantly greater than baseline at 2, 4, 16 and 20 kHz. GSHE supplementation in a dose-dependent fashion attenuated the threshold shifts in the low protein diet animals. Hair cell loss, as evaluated with cytocochleograms, was consistent with the auditory-evoked brainstem response results. Group 2 exhibited significantly more hair cell loss than any of the other groups; hair cell loss in group 3 was similar to that seen in group 1; group 4 showed less loss than group 1. <b>These results indicate that GSH is a significant factor in limiting noise-induced cochlear damage. This is compatible with the notion that ROS generation plays a role in NIHL and that antioxidant treatment may be an effective prophylactic intervention. </b>
 

dramamama

New member
Hi I just posted this on another thread, but I believe it is important enough to have its own thread....if I do say so myself. It is very late so hopefully this will make sense...I will check in the morning and make sure.!!!

I have been seeing a lot of people talking about hearing loss and Tobra, amikacin and other aminoglycosides...(gent) I have been doing a lot of research on this topic and I just wanted to post some of the info.


Basically, what it comes down to is this. Hearing loss, is due to oxidative stress...even hearing loss due to aging is due to to a decrease in antioxidants. Injury from load noise is a product of oxidative stress and can be prevented with antioxidant supplementation. As cfers, we are critically low in many of these antioxidants...when subjected to repeated rounds of oto-toxic drugs, our oxidative burdens are sometimes too much and we experience hearing loss. I had terrible ringing four years ago when taking amikacin and tobra..we tried several times and had to discontiue because they were worried about hearing loss. After getting started on a healthy diet, antioxidant supplemention, magnesium and probiotics..I am able to take these drugs with no problem now. The ringing has never recurred and I am a firm believer this had to due with my change in antioxidant status...

As I have stated so many times..I know, I never shut up, my vit, mineral and antioxidant levels have all improved so much from four years ago when I had them all tested...Anyway, just wanted you guys to read some studies from PIER REVIEWD JOURNALS. If you are having a problem with these drugs, you really should consider arming yourself with this knowledge!!!!

I demanded to have all of these antioxidants tested in my blood because I knew what they did not have time to learn....antioxidants matter, glutathione matters, vit e matters, vit c matters. If you are unsure about taking supplements, go have you blood tested...
I saw somewhere that hearing loss is the nature of the beast (of aminoglicosides.) Well put, but unfortunately, very incomplete....We can protect ourselves and we should demand it. Interestingly, when you pub-med search aminoglycosides and antioxidants tons of stuff comes up.....if you add cf, hearing loss, antioxidants aminoglycosides nothing..... we have got to wake some people up <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<b>Antioxidant enzyme levels inversely covary with hearing loss after amikacin treatment. </b>

Klemens JJ,
Meech RP,
Hughes LF,
Somani S,
Campbell KC.
Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Springfield, IL, USA.
This study's purpose was to determine if a correlation exists between cochlear antioxidant activity changes and auditory function after induction of amino-glycoside (AG) ototoxicity. Two groups of five 250-350 g albino guinea pigs served as subjects. For 28 days, albino guinea pigs were administered either 200 mg/kg/day amikacin, or saline subcutaneously. Auditory brainstem response testing was performed prior to the first injection and again before sacrifice, 28 days later. Cochleae were harvested and superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione-S-transferase, glutathione reductase activities and malondialdehyde levels were measured. All antioxidant enzymes had significantly lower activity in the amikacin group (p < or = 0.05) than in the control group. The difference in cochlear antioxidant enzyme activity between groups inversely correlated significantly with the change in ABR thresholds.<b> The greatest correlation was for the high frequencies, which are most affected by aminoglycosides. This study demonstrates that antioxidant enzyme activity and amikacin-induced hearing loss significantly covary.
</b>PMID: 12859138 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


<b>The role of antioxidants in protection from ototoxic drugs.</b>

Sergi B,
Fetoni AR,
Ferraresi A,
Troiani D,
Azzena GB,
Paludetti G,
Maurizi M.
Institute of Otolaryngology, Catholic University of Rome, Italy. carosergi@yahoo.com
A number of studies have shown that cisplatin and gentamicin ototoxic effects may result from free radical-mediated damage due to the reduction of antioxidant substances and an increased lipid peroxidation. The authors summarize the results obtained evaluating the auditory and vestibular functions and the inner ear hair cell morphology and survival after administration of antioxidant agents against cisplatin and gentamicin. In the first experiment, albino guinea pigs were treated with gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) alone or gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) plus alpha-tocopherol (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) for 2 weeks. In a second experiment, albino guinea pigs were injected with cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) or cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) plus tiopronin (300 mg/kg) for 6 days. Electrocochleographic recordings were made from an implanted round window electrode. In all experiments compound action potentials (CAPs) were measured at 2-16 kHz. Changes in cochlear function were characterized as CAP threshold shifts. To evaluate vestibular function, the animals underwent sinusoidal oscillations in the dark about their vertical and longitudinal axes to evoke horizontal and vertical vestibulo-ocular reflexes (VOR). Frequency stimulation parameters ranged from 0.02 to 0.4 Hz and peak-to-peak amplitude was 20 degrees. Morphological changes were analysed by light microscopy and scanning electron microscopy. Both hearing loss and vestibular dysfunction induced by gentamicin were significantly attenuated by alpha-tocopherol. However, tiopronin co-therapy slowed the progression of hearing loss in cisplatin-treated animals and significantly attenuated the final threshold shifts. Cisplatin had little effect on the hair cells of cristae ampullares and maculae. Vestibular function was completely preserved in tiopronin co-treated animals. <b>In conclusion, antioxidants such as alpha-tocopherol or tiopronin interfere with gentamicin and cisplatin damage and this suggests that they may be useful in preventing oto-vestibulotoxicity. Therefore, it is important to develop protective strategies that permit the avoidance of the toxic side effects of these drugs without interfering with their therapeutic effects.
PMID: 15219046
</b>

1: Hear Res. 1995 Jun;86(1-2):15-24. Links
<b>Glutathione protection against gentamicin ototoxicity depends on nutritional status</b>.

Lautermann J,
McLaren J,
Schacht J.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, Department of Otolaryngology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 48109-0506, USA.
This study demonstrates that gentamicin ototoxicity depends on dietary factors and correlates with tissue glutathione levels. After 15 days of gentamicin injections (100 mg/kg/day s.c.) guinea pigs on a regular protein diet (18.5% protein) had an average hearing loss of 9 dB at 3 kHz, 31 dB at 8 kHz and 42 dB at 18 kHz. Guinea pigs on a 7% protein diet showed an increased hearing loss of 52 dB at 3 kHz, 63 dB at 8 kHz and 74 dB at 18 kHz. Supplementing the low protein diet with either essential or sulfur-containing amino acids did not protect against gentamicin ototoxicity. Glutathione levels in the cochlear sensory epithelium were decreased in animals on a low protein diet and could be restored to normal by oral administration of glutathione monoethyl ester (1.2 g/kg/day) in combination with vitamin C (100 mg/kg/day). Glutathione supplementation significantly reduced the magnitude of hearing loss in the low protein diet group at all frequencies (43 dB reduction at 3 kHz, 27 dB reduction at 8 kHz and 21 dB reduction at 18 kHz). In animals on a full protein diet, dietary glutathione neither increased cochlear glutathione levels nor attenuated hearing loss. Serum gentamicin levels did not differ between animals on the various diets with or without glutathione supplement. <b>These results suggest that gentamicin toxicity and detoxifying mechanisms are affected by the metabolic state of the animal and the glutathione content of the tissue. Thus, compounds that could potentially protect against gentamicin ototoxicity may be more correctly assessed in animal models of deficient nutritional states in which endogenous detoxifying mechanisms are compromised. This animal model might also be more realistically related to the clinical situation of a critically ill patient receiving gentamicin treatment. </b>

<b>Glutathione limits noise-induced hearing loss</b>.

Ohinata Y,
Yamasoba T,
Schacht J,
Miller JM.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0506, USA.
The generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) is thought to be part of the mechanism underlying noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL). Glutathione (GSH) is an important cellular antioxidant that limits cell damage by ROS. In this study, we investigated the effectiveness of a GSH supplement to protect GSH-deficient animals from NIHL. Pigmented guinea pigs were exposed to a 4 kHz octave band noise, 115 dB SPL, for 5 h. Group 1 had a normal diet, while groups 2, 3 and 4 were fed a 7% low protein diet (leading to lowered tissue levels of GSH) for 10 days prior to noise exposure. One hour before, immediately after and 5 h after noise exposure, subjects received either an intraperitoneal injection of 5 ml/kg body weight of 0.9% NaCl (groups 1 and 2), 0.4 M glutathione monoethyl ester (GSHE; group 3) or 0.8 M GSHE (group 4). Auditory thresholds were measured by evoked brain stem response at 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20 kHz before and after noise exposure. Ten days post exposure, group 1 showed noise-induced threshold shifts of approximately 20 dB at 2, 16 and 20 kHz and 35 to 40 dB at other frequencies. Threshold shifts in group 2 were significantly greater than baseline at 2, 4, 16 and 20 kHz. GSHE supplementation in a dose-dependent fashion attenuated the threshold shifts in the low protein diet animals. Hair cell loss, as evaluated with cytocochleograms, was consistent with the auditory-evoked brainstem response results. Group 2 exhibited significantly more hair cell loss than any of the other groups; hair cell loss in group 3 was similar to that seen in group 1; group 4 showed less loss than group 1. <b>These results indicate that GSH is a significant factor in limiting noise-induced cochlear damage. This is compatible with the notion that ROS generation plays a role in NIHL and that antioxidant treatment may be an effective prophylactic intervention. </b>
 

dramamama

New member
Hi I just posted this on another thread, but I believe it is important enough to have its own thread....if I do say so myself. It is very late so hopefully this will make sense...I will check in the morning and make sure.!!!

I have been seeing a lot of people talking about hearing loss and Tobra, amikacin and other aminoglycosides...(gent) I have been doing a lot of research on this topic and I just wanted to post some of the info.


Basically, what it comes down to is this. Hearing loss, is due to oxidative stress...even hearing loss due to aging is due to to a decrease in antioxidants. Injury from load noise is a product of oxidative stress and can be prevented with antioxidant supplementation. As cfers, we are critically low in many of these antioxidants...when subjected to repeated rounds of oto-toxic drugs, our oxidative burdens are sometimes too much and we experience hearing loss. I had terrible ringing four years ago when taking amikacin and tobra..we tried several times and had to discontiue because they were worried about hearing loss. After getting started on a healthy diet, antioxidant supplemention, magnesium and probiotics..I am able to take these drugs with no problem now. The ringing has never recurred and I am a firm believer this had to due with my change in antioxidant status...

As I have stated so many times..I know, I never shut up, my vit, mineral and antioxidant levels have all improved so much from four years ago when I had them all tested...Anyway, just wanted you guys to read some studies from PIER REVIEWD JOURNALS. If you are having a problem with these drugs, you really should consider arming yourself with this knowledge!!!!

I demanded to have all of these antioxidants tested in my blood because I knew what they did not have time to learn....antioxidants matter, glutathione matters, vit e matters, vit c matters. If you are unsure about taking supplements, go have you blood tested...
I saw somewhere that hearing loss is the nature of the beast (of aminoglicosides.) Well put, but unfortunately, very incomplete....We can protect ourselves and we should demand it. Interestingly, when you pub-med search aminoglycosides and antioxidants tons of stuff comes up.....if you add cf, hearing loss, antioxidants aminoglycosides nothing..... we have got to wake some people up <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<b>Antioxidant enzyme levels inversely covary with hearing loss after amikacin treatment. </b>

Klemens JJ,
Meech RP,
Hughes LF,
Somani S,
Campbell KC.
Southern Illinois University School of Medicine, Springfield, IL, USA.
This study's purpose was to determine if a correlation exists between cochlear antioxidant activity changes and auditory function after induction of amino-glycoside (AG) ototoxicity. Two groups of five 250-350 g albino guinea pigs served as subjects. For 28 days, albino guinea pigs were administered either 200 mg/kg/day amikacin, or saline subcutaneously. Auditory brainstem response testing was performed prior to the first injection and again before sacrifice, 28 days later. Cochleae were harvested and superoxide dismutase, catalase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione-S-transferase, glutathione reductase activities and malondialdehyde levels were measured. All antioxidant enzymes had significantly lower activity in the amikacin group (p < or = 0.05) than in the control group. The difference in cochlear antioxidant enzyme activity between groups inversely correlated significantly with the change in ABR thresholds.<b> The greatest correlation was for the high frequencies, which are most affected by aminoglycosides. This study demonstrates that antioxidant enzyme activity and amikacin-induced hearing loss significantly covary.
</b>PMID: 12859138 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


<b>The role of antioxidants in protection from ototoxic drugs.</b>

Sergi B,
Fetoni AR,
Ferraresi A,
Troiani D,
Azzena GB,
Paludetti G,
Maurizi M.
Institute of Otolaryngology, Catholic University of Rome, Italy. carosergi@yahoo.com
A number of studies have shown that cisplatin and gentamicin ototoxic effects may result from free radical-mediated damage due to the reduction of antioxidant substances and an increased lipid peroxidation. The authors summarize the results obtained evaluating the auditory and vestibular functions and the inner ear hair cell morphology and survival after administration of antioxidant agents against cisplatin and gentamicin. In the first experiment, albino guinea pigs were treated with gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) alone or gentamicin (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) plus alpha-tocopherol (100 mg/kg per day, i.m.) for 2 weeks. In a second experiment, albino guinea pigs were injected with cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) or cisplatin (2.5 mg/kg per day) plus tiopronin (300 mg/kg) for 6 days. Electrocochleographic recordings were made from an implanted round window electrode. In all experiments compound action potentials (CAPs) were measured at 2-16 kHz. Changes in cochlear function were characterized as CAP threshold shifts. To evaluate vestibular function, the animals underwent sinusoidal oscillations in the dark about their vertical and longitudinal axes to evoke horizontal and vertical vestibulo-ocular reflexes (VOR). Frequency stimulation parameters ranged from 0.02 to 0.4 Hz and peak-to-peak amplitude was 20 degrees. Morphological changes were analysed by light microscopy and scanning electron microscopy. Both hearing loss and vestibular dysfunction induced by gentamicin were significantly attenuated by alpha-tocopherol. However, tiopronin co-therapy slowed the progression of hearing loss in cisplatin-treated animals and significantly attenuated the final threshold shifts. Cisplatin had little effect on the hair cells of cristae ampullares and maculae. Vestibular function was completely preserved in tiopronin co-treated animals. <b>In conclusion, antioxidants such as alpha-tocopherol or tiopronin interfere with gentamicin and cisplatin damage and this suggests that they may be useful in preventing oto-vestibulotoxicity. Therefore, it is important to develop protective strategies that permit the avoidance of the toxic side effects of these drugs without interfering with their therapeutic effects.
PMID: 15219046
</b>

1: Hear Res. 1995 Jun;86(1-2):15-24. Links
<b>Glutathione protection against gentamicin ototoxicity depends on nutritional status</b>.

Lautermann J,
McLaren J,
Schacht J.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, Department of Otolaryngology, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor 48109-0506, USA.
This study demonstrates that gentamicin ototoxicity depends on dietary factors and correlates with tissue glutathione levels. After 15 days of gentamicin injections (100 mg/kg/day s.c.) guinea pigs on a regular protein diet (18.5% protein) had an average hearing loss of 9 dB at 3 kHz, 31 dB at 8 kHz and 42 dB at 18 kHz. Guinea pigs on a 7% protein diet showed an increased hearing loss of 52 dB at 3 kHz, 63 dB at 8 kHz and 74 dB at 18 kHz. Supplementing the low protein diet with either essential or sulfur-containing amino acids did not protect against gentamicin ototoxicity. Glutathione levels in the cochlear sensory epithelium were decreased in animals on a low protein diet and could be restored to normal by oral administration of glutathione monoethyl ester (1.2 g/kg/day) in combination with vitamin C (100 mg/kg/day). Glutathione supplementation significantly reduced the magnitude of hearing loss in the low protein diet group at all frequencies (43 dB reduction at 3 kHz, 27 dB reduction at 8 kHz and 21 dB reduction at 18 kHz). In animals on a full protein diet, dietary glutathione neither increased cochlear glutathione levels nor attenuated hearing loss. Serum gentamicin levels did not differ between animals on the various diets with or without glutathione supplement. <b>These results suggest that gentamicin toxicity and detoxifying mechanisms are affected by the metabolic state of the animal and the glutathione content of the tissue. Thus, compounds that could potentially protect against gentamicin ototoxicity may be more correctly assessed in animal models of deficient nutritional states in which endogenous detoxifying mechanisms are compromised. This animal model might also be more realistically related to the clinical situation of a critically ill patient receiving gentamicin treatment. </b>

<b>Glutathione limits noise-induced hearing loss</b>.

Ohinata Y,
Yamasoba T,
Schacht J,
Miller JM.
Kresge Hearing Research Institute, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0506, USA.
The generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) is thought to be part of the mechanism underlying noise-induced hearing loss (NIHL). Glutathione (GSH) is an important cellular antioxidant that limits cell damage by ROS. In this study, we investigated the effectiveness of a GSH supplement to protect GSH-deficient animals from NIHL. Pigmented guinea pigs were exposed to a 4 kHz octave band noise, 115 dB SPL, for 5 h. Group 1 had a normal diet, while groups 2, 3 and 4 were fed a 7% low protein diet (leading to lowered tissue levels of GSH) for 10 days prior to noise exposure. One hour before, immediately after and 5 h after noise exposure, subjects received either an intraperitoneal injection of 5 ml/kg body weight of 0.9% NaCl (groups 1 and 2), 0.4 M glutathione monoethyl ester (GSHE; group 3) or 0.8 M GSHE (group 4). Auditory thresholds were measured by evoked brain stem response at 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 and 20 kHz before and after noise exposure. Ten days post exposure, group 1 showed noise-induced threshold shifts of approximately 20 dB at 2, 16 and 20 kHz and 35 to 40 dB at other frequencies. Threshold shifts in group 2 were significantly greater than baseline at 2, 4, 16 and 20 kHz. GSHE supplementation in a dose-dependent fashion attenuated the threshold shifts in the low protein diet animals. Hair cell loss, as evaluated with cytocochleograms, was consistent with the auditory-evoked brainstem response results. Group 2 exhibited significantly more hair cell loss than any of the other groups; hair cell loss in group 3 was similar to that seen in group 1; group 4 showed less loss than group 1. <b>These results indicate that GSH is a significant factor in limiting noise-induced cochlear damage. This is compatible with the notion that ROS generation plays a role in NIHL and that antioxidant treatment may be an effective prophylactic intervention. </b>
 

MYBOY

New member
Thank you so much for posting this. When I started coming to these forums I had no idea about hearing loss with certain meds. I read about amikan sp? - and thought WOW I will never let them give my son that. This is very good for all of us to know - I for one really appriciate any info any of you can give to us!! I haven't started my son on Gluth.. or anything yet but I keep reading up on it - and will be asking my doc more about them! Thanks again!!
 

MYBOY

New member
Thank you so much for posting this. When I started coming to these forums I had no idea about hearing loss with certain meds. I read about amikan sp? - and thought WOW I will never let them give my son that. This is very good for all of us to know - I for one really appriciate any info any of you can give to us!! I haven't started my son on Gluth.. or anything yet but I keep reading up on it - and will be asking my doc more about them! Thanks again!!
 

MYBOY

New member
Thank you so much for posting this. When I started coming to these forums I had no idea about hearing loss with certain meds. I read about amikan sp? - and thought WOW I will never let them give my son that. This is very good for all of us to know - I for one really appriciate any info any of you can give to us!! I haven't started my son on Gluth.. or anything yet but I keep reading up on it - and will be asking my doc more about them! Thanks again!!
 

dramamama

New member
I am glad that you are reading up on the importance of antioxidants as a complentary therapy for health in cf. Unfortunately, don't be surprised if they tell you they know nothing about these studies or that aminoglycosides cause hearing damage and nothing can prevent it.

There is a HUGE communication breakdown between those doing the studies and those doing the care-taking. Think about it...doctors have NO TIME to keep up with the latest research concerning what affects a cfers health. We, on the other hand are obligated to bring what we learn to them.

If you have more questions about these studies or any related to cf and antioxidants, many times you can email them. Most researchers have contact info...I have done this so many times and they are more than happy to explain in laymens terms how research findings can be important in this particular disease.

Take care!!!
mandy
 

dramamama

New member
I am glad that you are reading up on the importance of antioxidants as a complentary therapy for health in cf. Unfortunately, don't be surprised if they tell you they know nothing about these studies or that aminoglycosides cause hearing damage and nothing can prevent it.

There is a HUGE communication breakdown between those doing the studies and those doing the care-taking. Think about it...doctors have NO TIME to keep up with the latest research concerning what affects a cfers health. We, on the other hand are obligated to bring what we learn to them.

If you have more questions about these studies or any related to cf and antioxidants, many times you can email them. Most researchers have contact info...I have done this so many times and they are more than happy to explain in laymens terms how research findings can be important in this particular disease.

Take care!!!
mandy
 

dramamama

New member
I am glad that you are reading up on the importance of antioxidants as a complentary therapy for health in cf. Unfortunately, don't be surprised if they tell you they know nothing about these studies or that aminoglycosides cause hearing damage and nothing can prevent it.

There is a HUGE communication breakdown between those doing the studies and those doing the care-taking. Think about it...doctors have NO TIME to keep up with the latest research concerning what affects a cfers health. We, on the other hand are obligated to bring what we learn to them.

If you have more questions about these studies or any related to cf and antioxidants, many times you can email them. Most researchers have contact info...I have done this so many times and they are more than happy to explain in laymens terms how research findings can be important in this particular disease.

Take care!!!
mandy
 

MYBOY

New member
Can I ask you - in your opinion - is there anything else my son should be on? He is 10, about 100 lbs, 4'9" and has been pretty healthy - except for nasal polyps - surgery 4 times. He only does treatments once a day (doc said is fine for now) which includes - vest 20 min, albuteral, polmozyme, azithromysin-M,W,Fr, 2 multi vit, vit e, vit A&D, (I give him a green tea capsule 3 days a week- did that on my own thought it would be good for him) 2 months ago I started Juice Plus - having trouble concentrating in school - boy has that helped! He hasn't been sick at all this past year - not even the flu etc (knock on wood) Does have sinus allergy? problems. Started him on rhinocort and antihistimine last visit. PFTs are usually 98. Any suggestions of things we should do?
 

MYBOY

New member
Can I ask you - in your opinion - is there anything else my son should be on? He is 10, about 100 lbs, 4'9" and has been pretty healthy - except for nasal polyps - surgery 4 times. He only does treatments once a day (doc said is fine for now) which includes - vest 20 min, albuteral, polmozyme, azithromysin-M,W,Fr, 2 multi vit, vit e, vit A&D, (I give him a green tea capsule 3 days a week- did that on my own thought it would be good for him) 2 months ago I started Juice Plus - having trouble concentrating in school - boy has that helped! He hasn't been sick at all this past year - not even the flu etc (knock on wood) Does have sinus allergy? problems. Started him on rhinocort and antihistimine last visit. PFTs are usually 98. Any suggestions of things we should do?
 

MYBOY

New member
Can I ask you - in your opinion - is there anything else my son should be on? He is 10, about 100 lbs, 4'9" and has been pretty healthy - except for nasal polyps - surgery 4 times. He only does treatments once a day (doc said is fine for now) which includes - vest 20 min, albuteral, polmozyme, azithromysin-M,W,Fr, 2 multi vit, vit e, vit A&D, (I give him a green tea capsule 3 days a week- did that on my own thought it would be good for him) 2 months ago I started Juice Plus - having trouble concentrating in school - boy has that helped! He hasn't been sick at all this past year - not even the flu etc (knock on wood) Does have sinus allergy? problems. Started him on rhinocort and antihistimine last visit. PFTs are usually 98. Any suggestions of things we should do?
 

dramamama

New member
Hi.
You know, I really don't want to comment on what I think he should be on...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> but, I will offer some ideas.

I do think it sounds like are you doing the right kinds of things, though. I am a fan of <b>juice plus</b> if you cannot get the recommended amount of fruits and veggies in his diet each day. My best friend actually sells it because it has helped her four kids so much. We should be eating 10 servings of fruit and veggies a day... that is a lot and really is hard to do even if you are working on it all day every day. Have you considered juicing? Great way to get the nutrients from fruits and veggies without have to stuff your face all day long....

<b>PROBIOTICS</b>
I did not notice that he is on a probiotic. Basically, if he is on zithro good bacteria and bad bacteria is being killed. Latest studies in cf pateints shows that probiotic supplementation decreases inflammation in the gut which in turn allows for better absorption and directly correlates with lung health. If you choose to include probiotics in his treatment, make sure that you do not give it to him with the zithromax.. Give them at least 8 hours apart, preferably after the antiobiotic in order to repopulate the gut with good bacteria to mediate inflammation. Yogurt is a good option, but when sugar is added to it is actually lessens the benefits....in my opinion, you are better off with a pill.

Few recent studies:
<b>1: Clin Nutr. 2007 Mar 12; [Epub ahead of print] Links
Effect of Lactobacillus GG supplementation on pulmonary exacerbations in patients with cystic fibrosis: A pilot study</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Spagnuolo MI,
Volpicelli M,
De Marco G,
Maiuri L,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples "Federico II", Via S. Pansini 5, 80131 Naples, Italy.
BACKGROUND & AIMS: Probiotics reduce intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis (CF). We want to determine the effects of Lactobacillus GG (LGG) on pulmonary exacerbations in CF. METHODS: A prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled, cross-over study was performed. Nineteen children received LGG for 6 months and then shifted to oral rehydration solution (ORS) for 6 months. In parallel nineteen received ORS and then shifted to LGG. Main outcome parameters were: incidence of pulmonary exacerbations and of hospital admissions, forced expiratory volume (FEV(1)), and modifications of body weight. RESULTS: Patients treated with LGG showed a reduction of pulmonary exacerbations (Median 1 vs. 2 , range 4 vs. 4, median difference 1, CI 95% 0.5-1.5; p=0.0035) and of hospital admissions (Median 0 vs. 1, range 3 vs. 2, median difference 1, CI95% 1.0-1.5; p=0.001) compared to patients treated with ORS. LGG resulted in a greater increase in FEV(1) (3.6%+/-5.2 vs. 0.9%+/-5; p=0.02) and body weight (1.5kg+/-1.8 vs. 0.7kg+/-1.8; p=0.02).<b> CONCLUSIONS: LGG reduces pulmonary exacerbations and hospital admissions in patients with CF.</b> <b>These suggest that probiotics may delay respiratory impairment and that a relationship exists between intestinal and pulmonary inflammation.
</b>

1: Expert Rev Anti Infect Ther. 2006 Apr;4(2):261-75. Links
<b>Probiotics: their role in the treatment and prevention of disease.</b>

Doron S,
Gorbach SL.
Division of Geographic Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Tufts-New England Medical Center, Boston, MA 02111, USA. sdoron@tufts-nemc.org
A probiotic is a "live microbial food ingredients that, when ingested in sufficient quantities, exerts health benefits on the consumer". Probiotics exert their benefits through several mechanisms; they prevent colonization, cellular adhesion and invasion by pathogenic organisms, they have direct antimicrobial activity and they modulate the host immune response. The strongest evidence for the clinical effectiveness of probiotics has been in their use for the prevention of symptoms of lactose intolerance, treatment of acute diarrhea, attenuation of antibiotic-associated gastrointestinal side effects and the prevention and treatment of allergy manifestations. More research needs to be carried out to clarify conflicting findings on the use of probiotics for prevention of travelers' diarrhea, infections in children in daycare and dental caries, and elimination of nasal colonization with potentially pathogenic bacteria<b>. Promising ongoing research is being conducted on the use of probiotics for the treatment of Clostridium difficile colitis, treatment of Helicobacter pylori infection, treatment of inflammatory bowel disease and prevention of relapse, treatment of irritable bowel syndrome, treatment of intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis patients, and prevention of necrotizing enterocolitis in premature infants. Finally, areas of future research include the use of probiotics for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, prevention of cancer and the treatment of graft-versus-host disease in bone marrow transplant recipients</b>

Links
<b>Intestinal inflammation is a frequent feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotic administration</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Gaudiello G,
Polito G,
Buccigrossi V,
Formicola V,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples Federico II, Naples, Italy.
AIMS: To assess the incidence of intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis and to investigate whether probiotics decrease it. STUDY DESIGN: In this two-phase, controlled, prospective study, faecal calprotectin was measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay in 30 children with cystic fibrosis, 30 healthy controls and 15 children with active inflammatory bowel disease. Ten children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG, and faecal calprotectin was re-measured 4 weeks later. Rectal nitric oxide production was measured with the rectal dialysis bag technique in 20 children with cystic fibrosis, 20 healthy controls and 15 children with inflammatory bowel disease. Five children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG and nitric oxide was re-measured 4 weeks later. RESULTS: Mean faecal calprotectin was significantly higher in the two groups of patients than in controls. Abnormal values were detected in 27 of 30 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Also mean nitric oxide production was increased in both group of patients, and abnormal values were detected in 19 of 20 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Calprotectin and nitric oxide concentrations were reduced after probiotics administration. <b>CONCLUSIONS: Intestinal inflammation is a major feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotics. The latter finding suggests that intestinal microflora play a major role in intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis children</b>.


I, too, drink three cups or more of green tea a day. The studies backing up green tea as a free radical scavenger are plentiful.. If you give him the pills, I think you need to make sure that he is drinking a lot of water just to flush out the toxins. Also, not sure about the caffeine level in the pills..if I were you I would opt for a caffeine free variety.

I wish I could convince you to REALLY look into having his blood tested for antioxidant levels....that way, you have a starting place for supplementation.
I will say after my last sinus surgery I had frontal sinus obliteration in 03, I had polyps form almost immediately after surgery. After a lot of research and talking with so many doctors and researchers, I decided to start glutathione. I spoke with one doc, Wayne Isom, the surgeon who did Letterman's heart surgery and he said by all means take it.. He said he has had his father on glutathione for 20 years.... His dad is now 90 and has NO PROBLEMS....perfect hearing, perfect eyesight.... Once starting it, I had many wonderful things happen all around the same time. My cultures went from pan-resistant to pan-sensitive (I also think my cal-mag supplement helped this). I was culturing 2 mucoid strains and one regular pseudo...now I culture one mucoid sensitive to all drugs and one regular pseudo. My energy sky-rocketed, my plyps went AWAY in a matter of 6 weeks...and I did not use a nasal steroid... I continue with my saline nasal irrigation ...and that is all I do for my sinuses. I have had ONE SINUS INFECTION SInCE STARTING GLUTATHIONE 4 years ago. I am able to take aminoglycosides now...where as four years ago, I couldn't because of ringing in the ears. My pfts are holding steady...where as they were getting worse from 2000-2004. My doc told me I was taking my life into my own hands by taking a supplement that is not endorsed by the cff...and to this I say DAMN STRAIGHT...and I have never looked back.

Just a suggestion...have you corresponded with Valerie Hudson. I only ask because her knowledge is vast when it comes to glutathione and cystic fibrosis. She is not a flash in the pan...she is extremely intelligent and has given the cf community a jolt that it desperately needed.

PM me anytime. I hope I can help you with any questions you have.
mandy
 

dramamama

New member
Hi.
You know, I really don't want to comment on what I think he should be on...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> but, I will offer some ideas.

I do think it sounds like are you doing the right kinds of things, though. I am a fan of <b>juice plus</b> if you cannot get the recommended amount of fruits and veggies in his diet each day. My best friend actually sells it because it has helped her four kids so much. We should be eating 10 servings of fruit and veggies a day... that is a lot and really is hard to do even if you are working on it all day every day. Have you considered juicing? Great way to get the nutrients from fruits and veggies without have to stuff your face all day long....

<b>PROBIOTICS</b>
I did not notice that he is on a probiotic. Basically, if he is on zithro good bacteria and bad bacteria is being killed. Latest studies in cf pateints shows that probiotic supplementation decreases inflammation in the gut which in turn allows for better absorption and directly correlates with lung health. If you choose to include probiotics in his treatment, make sure that you do not give it to him with the zithromax.. Give them at least 8 hours apart, preferably after the antiobiotic in order to repopulate the gut with good bacteria to mediate inflammation. Yogurt is a good option, but when sugar is added to it is actually lessens the benefits....in my opinion, you are better off with a pill.

Few recent studies:
<b>1: Clin Nutr. 2007 Mar 12; [Epub ahead of print] Links
Effect of Lactobacillus GG supplementation on pulmonary exacerbations in patients with cystic fibrosis: A pilot study</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Spagnuolo MI,
Volpicelli M,
De Marco G,
Maiuri L,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples "Federico II", Via S. Pansini 5, 80131 Naples, Italy.
BACKGROUND & AIMS: Probiotics reduce intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis (CF). We want to determine the effects of Lactobacillus GG (LGG) on pulmonary exacerbations in CF. METHODS: A prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled, cross-over study was performed. Nineteen children received LGG for 6 months and then shifted to oral rehydration solution (ORS) for 6 months. In parallel nineteen received ORS and then shifted to LGG. Main outcome parameters were: incidence of pulmonary exacerbations and of hospital admissions, forced expiratory volume (FEV(1)), and modifications of body weight. RESULTS: Patients treated with LGG showed a reduction of pulmonary exacerbations (Median 1 vs. 2 , range 4 vs. 4, median difference 1, CI 95% 0.5-1.5; p=0.0035) and of hospital admissions (Median 0 vs. 1, range 3 vs. 2, median difference 1, CI95% 1.0-1.5; p=0.001) compared to patients treated with ORS. LGG resulted in a greater increase in FEV(1) (3.6%+/-5.2 vs. 0.9%+/-5; p=0.02) and body weight (1.5kg+/-1.8 vs. 0.7kg+/-1.8; p=0.02).<b> CONCLUSIONS: LGG reduces pulmonary exacerbations and hospital admissions in patients with CF.</b> <b>These suggest that probiotics may delay respiratory impairment and that a relationship exists between intestinal and pulmonary inflammation.
</b>

1: Expert Rev Anti Infect Ther. 2006 Apr;4(2):261-75. Links
<b>Probiotics: their role in the treatment and prevention of disease.</b>

Doron S,
Gorbach SL.
Division of Geographic Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Tufts-New England Medical Center, Boston, MA 02111, USA. sdoron@tufts-nemc.org
A probiotic is a "live microbial food ingredients that, when ingested in sufficient quantities, exerts health benefits on the consumer". Probiotics exert their benefits through several mechanisms; they prevent colonization, cellular adhesion and invasion by pathogenic organisms, they have direct antimicrobial activity and they modulate the host immune response. The strongest evidence for the clinical effectiveness of probiotics has been in their use for the prevention of symptoms of lactose intolerance, treatment of acute diarrhea, attenuation of antibiotic-associated gastrointestinal side effects and the prevention and treatment of allergy manifestations. More research needs to be carried out to clarify conflicting findings on the use of probiotics for prevention of travelers' diarrhea, infections in children in daycare and dental caries, and elimination of nasal colonization with potentially pathogenic bacteria<b>. Promising ongoing research is being conducted on the use of probiotics for the treatment of Clostridium difficile colitis, treatment of Helicobacter pylori infection, treatment of inflammatory bowel disease and prevention of relapse, treatment of irritable bowel syndrome, treatment of intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis patients, and prevention of necrotizing enterocolitis in premature infants. Finally, areas of future research include the use of probiotics for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, prevention of cancer and the treatment of graft-versus-host disease in bone marrow transplant recipients</b>

Links
<b>Intestinal inflammation is a frequent feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotic administration</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Gaudiello G,
Polito G,
Buccigrossi V,
Formicola V,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples Federico II, Naples, Italy.
AIMS: To assess the incidence of intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis and to investigate whether probiotics decrease it. STUDY DESIGN: In this two-phase, controlled, prospective study, faecal calprotectin was measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay in 30 children with cystic fibrosis, 30 healthy controls and 15 children with active inflammatory bowel disease. Ten children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG, and faecal calprotectin was re-measured 4 weeks later. Rectal nitric oxide production was measured with the rectal dialysis bag technique in 20 children with cystic fibrosis, 20 healthy controls and 15 children with inflammatory bowel disease. Five children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG and nitric oxide was re-measured 4 weeks later. RESULTS: Mean faecal calprotectin was significantly higher in the two groups of patients than in controls. Abnormal values were detected in 27 of 30 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Also mean nitric oxide production was increased in both group of patients, and abnormal values were detected in 19 of 20 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Calprotectin and nitric oxide concentrations were reduced after probiotics administration. <b>CONCLUSIONS: Intestinal inflammation is a major feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotics. The latter finding suggests that intestinal microflora play a major role in intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis children</b>.


I, too, drink three cups or more of green tea a day. The studies backing up green tea as a free radical scavenger are plentiful.. If you give him the pills, I think you need to make sure that he is drinking a lot of water just to flush out the toxins. Also, not sure about the caffeine level in the pills..if I were you I would opt for a caffeine free variety.

I wish I could convince you to REALLY look into having his blood tested for antioxidant levels....that way, you have a starting place for supplementation.
I will say after my last sinus surgery I had frontal sinus obliteration in 03, I had polyps form almost immediately after surgery. After a lot of research and talking with so many doctors and researchers, I decided to start glutathione. I spoke with one doc, Wayne Isom, the surgeon who did Letterman's heart surgery and he said by all means take it.. He said he has had his father on glutathione for 20 years.... His dad is now 90 and has NO PROBLEMS....perfect hearing, perfect eyesight.... Once starting it, I had many wonderful things happen all around the same time. My cultures went from pan-resistant to pan-sensitive (I also think my cal-mag supplement helped this). I was culturing 2 mucoid strains and one regular pseudo...now I culture one mucoid sensitive to all drugs and one regular pseudo. My energy sky-rocketed, my plyps went AWAY in a matter of 6 weeks...and I did not use a nasal steroid... I continue with my saline nasal irrigation ...and that is all I do for my sinuses. I have had ONE SINUS INFECTION SInCE STARTING GLUTATHIONE 4 years ago. I am able to take aminoglycosides now...where as four years ago, I couldn't because of ringing in the ears. My pfts are holding steady...where as they were getting worse from 2000-2004. My doc told me I was taking my life into my own hands by taking a supplement that is not endorsed by the cff...and to this I say DAMN STRAIGHT...and I have never looked back.

Just a suggestion...have you corresponded with Valerie Hudson. I only ask because her knowledge is vast when it comes to glutathione and cystic fibrosis. She is not a flash in the pan...she is extremely intelligent and has given the cf community a jolt that it desperately needed.

PM me anytime. I hope I can help you with any questions you have.
mandy
 

dramamama

New member
Hi.
You know, I really don't want to comment on what I think he should be on...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> but, I will offer some ideas.

I do think it sounds like are you doing the right kinds of things, though. I am a fan of <b>juice plus</b> if you cannot get the recommended amount of fruits and veggies in his diet each day. My best friend actually sells it because it has helped her four kids so much. We should be eating 10 servings of fruit and veggies a day... that is a lot and really is hard to do even if you are working on it all day every day. Have you considered juicing? Great way to get the nutrients from fruits and veggies without have to stuff your face all day long....

<b>PROBIOTICS</b>
I did not notice that he is on a probiotic. Basically, if he is on zithro good bacteria and bad bacteria is being killed. Latest studies in cf pateints shows that probiotic supplementation decreases inflammation in the gut which in turn allows for better absorption and directly correlates with lung health. If you choose to include probiotics in his treatment, make sure that you do not give it to him with the zithromax.. Give them at least 8 hours apart, preferably after the antiobiotic in order to repopulate the gut with good bacteria to mediate inflammation. Yogurt is a good option, but when sugar is added to it is actually lessens the benefits....in my opinion, you are better off with a pill.

Few recent studies:
<b>1: Clin Nutr. 2007 Mar 12; [Epub ahead of print] Links
Effect of Lactobacillus GG supplementation on pulmonary exacerbations in patients with cystic fibrosis: A pilot study</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Spagnuolo MI,
Volpicelli M,
De Marco G,
Maiuri L,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples "Federico II", Via S. Pansini 5, 80131 Naples, Italy.
BACKGROUND & AIMS: Probiotics reduce intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis (CF). We want to determine the effects of Lactobacillus GG (LGG) on pulmonary exacerbations in CF. METHODS: A prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled, cross-over study was performed. Nineteen children received LGG for 6 months and then shifted to oral rehydration solution (ORS) for 6 months. In parallel nineteen received ORS and then shifted to LGG. Main outcome parameters were: incidence of pulmonary exacerbations and of hospital admissions, forced expiratory volume (FEV(1)), and modifications of body weight. RESULTS: Patients treated with LGG showed a reduction of pulmonary exacerbations (Median 1 vs. 2 , range 4 vs. 4, median difference 1, CI 95% 0.5-1.5; p=0.0035) and of hospital admissions (Median 0 vs. 1, range 3 vs. 2, median difference 1, CI95% 1.0-1.5; p=0.001) compared to patients treated with ORS. LGG resulted in a greater increase in FEV(1) (3.6%+/-5.2 vs. 0.9%+/-5; p=0.02) and body weight (1.5kg+/-1.8 vs. 0.7kg+/-1.8; p=0.02).<b> CONCLUSIONS: LGG reduces pulmonary exacerbations and hospital admissions in patients with CF.</b> <b>These suggest that probiotics may delay respiratory impairment and that a relationship exists between intestinal and pulmonary inflammation.
</b>

1: Expert Rev Anti Infect Ther. 2006 Apr;4(2):261-75. Links
<b>Probiotics: their role in the treatment and prevention of disease.</b>

Doron S,
Gorbach SL.
Division of Geographic Medicine and Infectious Diseases, Tufts-New England Medical Center, Boston, MA 02111, USA. sdoron@tufts-nemc.org
A probiotic is a "live microbial food ingredients that, when ingested in sufficient quantities, exerts health benefits on the consumer". Probiotics exert their benefits through several mechanisms; they prevent colonization, cellular adhesion and invasion by pathogenic organisms, they have direct antimicrobial activity and they modulate the host immune response. The strongest evidence for the clinical effectiveness of probiotics has been in their use for the prevention of symptoms of lactose intolerance, treatment of acute diarrhea, attenuation of antibiotic-associated gastrointestinal side effects and the prevention and treatment of allergy manifestations. More research needs to be carried out to clarify conflicting findings on the use of probiotics for prevention of travelers' diarrhea, infections in children in daycare and dental caries, and elimination of nasal colonization with potentially pathogenic bacteria<b>. Promising ongoing research is being conducted on the use of probiotics for the treatment of Clostridium difficile colitis, treatment of Helicobacter pylori infection, treatment of inflammatory bowel disease and prevention of relapse, treatment of irritable bowel syndrome, treatment of intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis patients, and prevention of necrotizing enterocolitis in premature infants. Finally, areas of future research include the use of probiotics for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, prevention of cancer and the treatment of graft-versus-host disease in bone marrow transplant recipients</b>

Links
<b>Intestinal inflammation is a frequent feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotic administration</b>.

Bruzzese E,
Raia V,
Gaudiello G,
Polito G,
Buccigrossi V,
Formicola V,
Guarino A.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Naples Federico II, Naples, Italy.
AIMS: To assess the incidence of intestinal inflammation in children with cystic fibrosis and to investigate whether probiotics decrease it. STUDY DESIGN: In this two-phase, controlled, prospective study, faecal calprotectin was measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay in 30 children with cystic fibrosis, 30 healthy controls and 15 children with active inflammatory bowel disease. Ten children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG, and faecal calprotectin was re-measured 4 weeks later. Rectal nitric oxide production was measured with the rectal dialysis bag technique in 20 children with cystic fibrosis, 20 healthy controls and 15 children with inflammatory bowel disease. Five children with cystic fibrosis received Lactobacillus GG and nitric oxide was re-measured 4 weeks later. RESULTS: Mean faecal calprotectin was significantly higher in the two groups of patients than in controls. Abnormal values were detected in 27 of 30 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Also mean nitric oxide production was increased in both group of patients, and abnormal values were detected in 19 of 20 cystic fibrosis and in 15 of 15 inflammatory bowel disease children. Calprotectin and nitric oxide concentrations were reduced after probiotics administration. <b>CONCLUSIONS: Intestinal inflammation is a major feature of cystic fibrosis and is reduced by probiotics. The latter finding suggests that intestinal microflora play a major role in intestinal inflammation in cystic fibrosis children</b>.


I, too, drink three cups or more of green tea a day. The studies backing up green tea as a free radical scavenger are plentiful.. If you give him the pills, I think you need to make sure that he is drinking a lot of water just to flush out the toxins. Also, not sure about the caffeine level in the pills..if I were you I would opt for a caffeine free variety.

I wish I could convince you to REALLY look into having his blood tested for antioxidant levels....that way, you have a starting place for supplementation.
I will say after my last sinus surgery I had frontal sinus obliteration in 03, I had polyps form almost immediately after surgery. After a lot of research and talking with so many doctors and researchers, I decided to start glutathione. I spoke with one doc, Wayne Isom, the surgeon who did Letterman's heart surgery and he said by all means take it.. He said he has had his father on glutathione for 20 years.... His dad is now 90 and has NO PROBLEMS....perfect hearing, perfect eyesight.... Once starting it, I had many wonderful things happen all around the same time. My cultures went from pan-resistant to pan-sensitive (I also think my cal-mag supplement helped this). I was culturing 2 mucoid strains and one regular pseudo...now I culture one mucoid sensitive to all drugs and one regular pseudo. My energy sky-rocketed, my plyps went AWAY in a matter of 6 weeks...and I did not use a nasal steroid... I continue with my saline nasal irrigation ...and that is all I do for my sinuses. I have had ONE SINUS INFECTION SInCE STARTING GLUTATHIONE 4 years ago. I am able to take aminoglycosides now...where as four years ago, I couldn't because of ringing in the ears. My pfts are holding steady...where as they were getting worse from 2000-2004. My doc told me I was taking my life into my own hands by taking a supplement that is not endorsed by the cff...and to this I say DAMN STRAIGHT...and I have never looked back.

Just a suggestion...have you corresponded with Valerie Hudson. I only ask because her knowledge is vast when it comes to glutathione and cystic fibrosis. She is not a flash in the pan...she is extremely intelligent and has given the cf community a jolt that it desperately needed.

PM me anytime. I hope I can help you with any questions you have.
mandy
 

MYBOY

New member
Thanks Mandy - sorry I was gone yesterday. Probiotics - I do try to get him to eat yogurt now and then (if I get the go-gurts he'll eat it). Or what pill form does that come in (acidophilis?)

Glutithione - I have been very curious about this. Would you take the oral? Where do you get it from? I asked my doc awhile back after reading on here - but of course they said not enough knowledge about it. Thanks for all your help!
 

MYBOY

New member
Thanks Mandy - sorry I was gone yesterday. Probiotics - I do try to get him to eat yogurt now and then (if I get the go-gurts he'll eat it). Or what pill form does that come in (acidophilis?)

Glutithione - I have been very curious about this. Would you take the oral? Where do you get it from? I asked my doc awhile back after reading on here - but of course they said not enough knowledge about it. Thanks for all your help!
 

MYBOY

New member
Thanks Mandy - sorry I was gone yesterday. Probiotics - I do try to get him to eat yogurt now and then (if I get the go-gurts he'll eat it). Or what pill form does that come in (acidophilis?)

Glutithione - I have been very curious about this. Would you take the oral? Where do you get it from? I asked my doc awhile back after reading on here - but of course they said not enough knowledge about it. Thanks for all your help!
 
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