newborn baby screening test positive for CF gene

anonymous

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We received disturbing news today that our second daughter (2 months) has tested positive for the CF gene and that we need to have a Sweat Test, which the hospital has booked for tomorrow. I've spent all day online researching this and although I may be in denial, what I can understand is that a) it doesn't mean she will have CF, there's a 25% chance b) both parents have to be carriers.

My question is this - I am adopted and have no genetic family history I can trace - however my wife is one of five children (who have 5 of there own including our 1st daughter) and her parents have 12 brothers and sisters (who have about 30 children who are my wife's cousins.) Surely for me and my wife to be carriers, both our parents and grandparents must all have been carriers - statistically surely this would have shown up in my wife's family? Am I right in assuming that all four of her grandparents must have been a carrier and for them to have 14 children between them and for none of them to have CF is impossible.

Is there any chance the newborn baby screening test can produce an incorrect result?

Will find out tomorrow I guess.
 

anonymous

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hi
I have an 8 month old baby who has cf. There was no history in my partners side whatsoever but one of your grandparents and partents would have to be a carrier for you and your wife to be a carrier. I have CF on my side but not on my partners but we are both carriers. But apparently there can be a false negative but there cannot be a false positive. So if your daughter is positive for CF both of you have to be carriers and your parents and grandparents one or the other have to be a carrier for them to pass on the gene. The fact is that they have obviously not matched up with a partner who is a carrier also. Hope that makes sense. I beleive that people that have children with CF are brought together for a reason because we can deal with anything that is thrown at us. I know this is a very sad and confusing time for you both but you will get through it for your daughters sake. I have two other children that do not have CF but my little guy who does is SO special and they all have something special about them which seems to make them stronger. Whatever the outcome enjoy your beautiful little girl you will have so many special times to come. Best of luck tommorrow and please let me know of your outcome i know what you are both going through.

Donna mum to Benjamin 8 mths with CF & Dan Monique w/o CF
 

anonymous

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Not sure about the accuracy of the newborn screening. She probably carries at least one cf gene. She would need to have two cf genes to have cf. About 80% of those who are diagnosed do not have family history of the disease. I have 32 first cousins and my children are the first that we know of on either side of the family to have cf. Both my mom and mother-in-law do genealogy and can't find any evidence of cf.

Hopefully your daughter is getting the sweat test at an approved cf center. Check here <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cff.org/chapters_and_care_centers/
">http://www.cff.org/chapters_and_care_centers/
</a>CF centers perform the tests more accurately than local hospitals. One note- sometimes it is difficult to get a good sweat test result on a young baby. In that case, genetic testing is suggested.

Praying for a negative test!
Sharon, mom of Sophia, 4 and Jack, 2 both with cf
 

JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

We received disturbing news today that our second daughter (2 months) has tested positive for the CF gene and that we need to have a Sweat Test, which the hospital has booked for tomorrow. I've spent all day online researching this and although I may be in denial, what I can understand is that a) it doesn't mean she will have CF, there's a 25% chance b) both parents have to be carriers.



My question is this - I am adopted and have no genetic family history I can trace - however my wife is one of five children (who have 5 of there own including our 1st daughter) and her parents have 12 brothers and sisters (who have about 30 children who are my wife's cousins.) Surely for me and my wife to be carriers, both our parents and grandparents must all have been carriers - statistically surely this would have shown up in my wife's family? Am I right in assuming that all four of her grandparents must have been a carrier and for them to have 14 children between them and for none of them to have CF is impossible.



Is there any chance the newborn baby screening test can produce an incorrect result?



Will find out tomorrow I guess.</end quote></div>


Except for your being adopted the rest sound like my family & I am the only known one to have CF. The odds of being a carrier of the CF gene is great, but the odds of having a child with CF really isnt when its all said & done. So until recent years with changes in pre natal testing & newborn screening many families didnt know about CF until someone was born & dx with it. Get your results & take it from there. That is how we started with my daughter. She is a carrier of the CF gene which she got from me, but since we have no "known" or confirmed history on either side (hubby's or mine) we are using her as the starting point (well technically it should be me, but you understand my thoughts).
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>



Surely for me and my wife to be carriers, both our parents and grandparents must all have been carriers - statistically surely this would have shown up in my wife's family? Am I right in assuming that all four of her grandparents must have been a carrier and for them to have 14 children between them and for none of them to have CF is impossible.
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CF is recessive (sp) so actually only one of your parents/grandparents....needs to carry the gene. If you then get the gene and have a child with another carrier there is 25% chance the child will have CF.
 

Ratatosk

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I guess I feel family history isn't really important in terms of who is/was a carrier. Both sides of our families kept copious family histories and there is absolutely NO cf on either side. I looked for younger people who died -- there was an accident involving 3 children on my husbands side and a uncle on my mom's side was stillborn -- history went back to the late 1800s

When they started doing newborn screening in our state this past January, the information indicated that they'll do an initial blood test and should that test be positive, they'll do more extensive genetic testing -- that the intitial newborn screening COULD give a false reading if the child is a carrier; however, of the four children in our area tested right away when screening was first begun -- all have CF. Good luck! Liza
 

CFHockeyMom

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Another thing to consider is the newness of the CF diagnosis. If I remember correctly it's only been diagnosed since the late 50's/early sixties. A lot of folks discover mysterious infant/toddler deaths in their families from various respiratory diseases that were undiagnosed CF. For instance both my husband an I have grandparents with siblings that died in infancy due to "pneumonia". This was back in the early nineteen hundreds, obviously before the CF diagnosis.

I guess, either way it doesn't matter if you have a traceable family history or not. CF is a genetic disease and if your child has it, you and your wife are carriers, each one of you has at least one parent that's a carrier, each one of you has at least one grandparent that's a carrier, etc... regardless of family history.

Please make sure you have your sweat test done at an accredited CF center.
 

anonymous

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My mother's parents...5 kids....12 granchildren....11 great granchilren... 1 with CF
MY dad's parents...3 kids...11 grandchildren...3 greatgrandchildren...1 with cf
this is the same one with cf that I mentioned....so either one of my mom's parents passed it to my mom who then passed it to my sister who then met with another gene carrier and now my niece has cf....or...my dad's parents passed it on to my dad who then passed it on to my sister who then met with another gene carrier. no matter what one of my geandparents is a carrier who passed it on so that means one of their parents was one ans so on and so forth...so there were many times were there could be a result of CF...the gene is tossed around into everyone... not to say I could be a carrier...we just don't know I guess the chances of meeting with another one is not as likely...which I find to be wierd since all these people I just mentioned could possibly be carries and I'm sure this is with everyone families.
It's tough to understand...I am still learning alot myself but I know that all those people i just mentioned is not even half of the people that could be carries it would go to my great grandparents passing it to my grandparents lets not forget your great aunt's and uncle's and all the 2nd and 3rd cousins that we have all coming from the same place...I have a big family and we are pretty close and noone has ever mentioned CF until my niece was diagnosed...infact until then I never even knew about it.

I hope the results are nedative just don't go by noone having in your family.
Good Luck
 

julie

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We received disturbing news today that our second daughter (2 months) has tested positive for the CF gene and that we need to have a Sweat Test, which the hospital has booked for tomorrow. I've spent all day online researching this and although I may be in denial, what I can understand is that a) it doesn't mean she will have CF, there's a 25% chance b) both parents have to be carriers.
<b> If the sweat test is borderline, or if she shows any signs of CF (which can be very, very mild to very very noticable problems like coughing, athsmatic like symptoms, loose stools, greasy stools, frequent stools, weight gaining problems, congestion/stufy nose... I would strongly recommend you go with a genetic test in addition to the sweat test. There are two different "types" (types as in how many mutations the test can detect) of genetic tests. The first one I know of is through a company called genzyme and last I visited their site, they test up to 93 of the MOST COMMON CF mutations. They are a great company, but what if your child doesn't have the most common CF mutations? Then the test is useless. THere are 2 other companies, Quest diagnostics laboratory and Ambry Genetics that are very competative in their testing abilities. Both companies can detect the 1,300 KNOWN CF mutations (and more are being found all of the time). Personally, I had the genzyme test done first (to see if I was a carrier as my husband has CF and we were starting a family) but I wasn't comfortable with that so I had my second test done at Ambry. Quest is just as good, and sometimes people have better luck with ins. coverage with quest simply because they have been around for decades, whereas ambry is newer. But they are both GREAT companies with great customer satisfaction</b>

My question is this - I am adopted and have no genetic family history I can trace - however my wife is one of five children (who have 5 of there own including our 1st daughter) and her parents have 12 brothers and sisters (who have about 30 children who are my wife's cousins.) Surely for me and my wife to be carriers, both our parents and grandparents must all have been carriers - statistically surely this would have shown up in my wife's family? Am I right in assuming that all four of her grandparents must have been a carrier and for them to have 14 children between them and for none of them to have CF is impossible.
<b>It's very possible for both you and your wife to be carriers of the CF mutation with NO family history on either side. For you, or for your wife to be carriers at least 1 of your parents had to be a carrier as well. And that goes for at least one of your parents parents (your grandparents) had to be carriers too. But it is not impossible for NONE of the children and grandchildren to have CF. Basically, if all along in each of your family lines 1 person has been a carrier, then there has been a chance (much less than 25% for a CARRIER) that some of the children and grandchildre are also carriers. It might just so happen that none of these carrier children and grandchildren met another carrier and married them. Does that make sense. EACH of you has to be a carrier for your child to have the chance of having CF.
Did they find just 1 mutation? If that's the case, it's possible that 1 of you is a carrier and the other isn't. Which means your child is just a carrier too. BUT, if both of you are carriers, then you fall into that category that there is a 25% chance your children will have CF. I have a probabilities table on my website, <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com/Where_to_begin.html">http://www.cysticfibrosismalei...om/Where_to_begin.html</a> It might help you get a bit better understanding of carriers and how it is passed down.
My husband has CF and both of his parents are carriers (ovbiously). His biological brother isn't even a carrier. They both ended up on opposite ends of the spectrum. And this isn't unusual, it happens this way all of the time in families, even really really large families</b>

Is there any chance the newborn baby screening test can produce an incorrect result? <b>highly, highly, highly unlikely unless there was a lab mix up. This is a genetic test so there is no gray area as to whether or not there is a mutation there. Their either is, or there isn't. Sweat tests have a medium to low probablility of being inaccurate. Not necessairly because they were 'done incorrectly' but because as CF mutations mutate, more and more are showing up with normal sweat test levels, when in fact, they go and have a genetic test and are found to have 2 mutations. A person must have 2 mutations to have CF. A person with 1 mutation is just a carrier. </b>

Will find out tomorrow I guess.
<b>hope this helps answer a few of your questions. Please let us know the results of the sweat test when you get them. Many thoughts and prayers are with you!!!</b>
 

anonymous

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I would insist on a genetic blood test -- our son has cf, was born with a bowel obstruction due to meconium illeus and he passed his sweat test with flying colors for whatever reason -- it wasn't even borderline is was normal (32). His genetic blood tests showed homozygous delta f508. Liza mom to a toddler wcf
 

annonymous

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If your state is like mine (OK), then the newborn screening is a "two-tiered" test, meaning that it is a two-part test. If her IRT level was abnormal (part 1), it is sent on for DNA testing of some of the most common mutations (part 2). This may produce no mutations, 1 mutation, or 2 mutations.

The NBS is not diagnostic because IRT levels are often high in many infants (with or without cf). This is why you are being called in for a sweat test. If they did find a mutation, it is still possible that she is only a carrier.

Our infant is going through testing also after many conflicting results. Don't let anyone tell you that there are no false positives. These tests are only as reliable as the technicians performing them. They are not infallible. Mistakes happen all the time.

I understand what you are going through and I will be praying for your family. Becareful on the internet....I know how easy it is to get absorbed in this information and it can easily do more harm than good.

Peace be with you!
 

Emily65Roses

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I didn't read all the replies, only the original post. So forgive me if I'm repeating. But I just wanted to tell you. Yes, both parents MUST be carriers of the CF gene for your child to have CF.

But, your wife having a big family doesn't necessarily mean anything. My mom was one of 6 children. Many aunts and uncles, many cousins. I am the first and only person in my family with CF (and I have a sister, she doesn't even carry the CF gene). A lot of CFers are the only cases in their families, even when they're big families.
 

anonymous

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UPDATE from original post

Thankyou so much to everyone who replied. My daughter's sweat test shows she doesn't have CF. The moment the doctor tells you this defines the rest of your life and I am not sure if I have come to terms with this, but I am now racked with guilt reading all your messages as I guess most of you had the opposite result. I almost didn't want to post this update becasue of that, but I think I owe it to you all for making the effort in the first place. THANKYOU.

From what you all say I understand completely how my daughter can be a carrier despite the lack of family history. As long as one partner carries CF and the other doesn't , then the offspring have a chance of being a carrier through the generations, undetected until they meet a partner with CF gene and produce a child with CF, (or get a positive test like we did, only possible for 30 years or so.) I have to say I knew zero about CF until two days ago - I couldn't have told you what it was, what the sympoms were or what the effects were. I looked up a dozen reputable sites and it might be worth noting that my confusion was probably caused by the fact that every site tells you how you get CF, but isn't particularly clear how you can be a carrier without having CF - I kind of assumed it was still necessary to have both parents by carriers, which is wrong. Anyway, thanks to your messages, I get it now.

My wife and I will get ourselves tested and make future plans accordingly. At the end of the day, we've dodged a bullit and I would take that any day.
 

Emily65Roses

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Don't feel guilty about coming back to tell us. We like to hear when others are healthy, even if we're not. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> Actually, I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the update.
 

julie

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Glad you came back and shared. Almost everyone comes back to share the results, some positive some negative. We always rejoyce for those negative tests, even if it isn't what our family encountered.

You two must be relieved and it's completely ok to feel that way. I'm glad you got negative results.

Just keep in mind, IF in the future your daughter shows any problems with weight gain, digestion, frequent allergies, frequent colds/sinus congestion, I would definatley recommend that you get the genetic test. CF manifests itself very differently in EVERYONE (Even twins) and some people (check out Alyssa's blog) pass the sweat test with flying colors but are found to have 2 CF mutations.

It would definately be a good idea to find out if you and your wife are carriers. I would recommend going with Ambry genetics or Quest Diagnostics. That way you can prepare and plan. IF only one of you is a carrier, then at most, your children will be carriers. If both of you are carriers, you might make some different choices about concieving again.

Anyways... enough rambling. THanks for coming back to share and I'm glad for the good news!!!
 

JazzysMom

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I am glad that things seemed to work out. Think of this as an eye opener for the future generations. You now know that the CF gene exists so pass the word along in the family accordingly. BTW dont feel bad for a good update. Contrary to some opinions we enjoy postivie information!
 
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