sputum cultures

ehtansky21

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My son is 15 months old. On sputum test #1 he came up positive for staph, #2 clean, #3 positive for pseumdomonas a & staph, #4 positive for klebsiella pneumoniae only.
He presents with no lung symptoms, has never been on antibiotics and is just on enzymes. My questions are....how accurate do you think these tests are......are they actually catching sputum or can it just be in his mouth... any recommendations for a mon very apprehensive to use meds unless absolutely necessary?
thanks, ethan sky's mom
 

anonymous

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There is quite often no presentation of lung problems, especially in a young child. Although it is common for the "bugs" and lung sypmtoms to present at the same time, you can have one without the other. What antibiotics did the doctors give you? some parents of young children will caution against the use of tobi under a certain age because of some hearing loss associated with it..maybe a mom or dad can interject at this point???

As far as how accurate the sputum culture is: These bugs are not something that grow inside the mouth, it would be very rare and require some sort of open cut that is infected in the gums, cheeks or tongue-I don't imagine that is the case with your little one. I can't comment on how accurate the retrieval method is because I don't know what they used. But if they did a CF sputum culture (which it sounds like they did by the bacteria you listed), you can be confident that is what your child is growing. And you want to treat this. If you choose not to it will lead to further damage and result in more scar tissue in the lungs. CFers build up this scar tissue throughout life anyways, no matter how many preventive measures they take. BUT, you can control how fast that scar tissue accumulates, by treating infections, not allowing the lungs to be infected for long periods of time before seeking treatment (that leads to inflammation=more scar tissue).

Hope this helps a bit,

Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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I've had at least one sputum culture come up with a false report because of either the way I collected it or the way the sputum was handled at the lab. My doctor said there sometimes are false positives of this particular bacteria/infection. We immediately did another culture & the bacteria/infection didn't show up the second time and hasn't resurfaced again as far as I know and this was a few years ago.
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ehtansky21

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Is it possible to test for these bacteria via blood and urine, to make sure we are getting the right results? It just seems so weird that the pseudomona just disappeared and then something showed up in its place. I am new to this though, so maybe this is normal???? The dr recommended tobi for the pseudomona but I have yet to hear from her to know what antibiotic she wants to do for the klebsiella??? My question is, if my son was able to get rid of the pseudomona without treatment is it possible that he can get rid of the klebsiella without any treatment????
thanks, ethan sky's mom
 
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luke

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the way that bacteria work in CF is that many times we culture them. So even though it may not be causing any active problems it is just is sitting there, waiting for its chance. That is why it is important to take your child to the doctor for the common cold. The cold will weaken his defenses and the bacteria will attack. As for the blood/urine tests the answer is no. To get the infections in the blood is pretty serious and not common in young CF'ers.


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anonymous

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Ethan sky's mom, no it is not possible to test for these bacterias in the urine, and unless you are extracting the blood from the lungs-it will not show up either. It is very possible and very common for people to culture it and then have it not show up again for a few months, then have it resurface. If the bacteria erradicates itself before antibiotics can be administered (which is rare but it does occur) that is good, but I would absolutely recommend against you waiting to see if it will erradicate itself. The longer you wait to treat a bacteria, the more scar tissue (or potential for) can build up in the lungs.

Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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pseudomonas can be found almost everywhere (skin, mouth, throat, etc) so it is possible that it was just in his throat and not in his lungs. The throat cultures done on toddlers are not as accurate as the cultures done on actual sputum that is coughed up. If you are really concerned about this, I wouldn't hesitate to ask your CF DR or CF Nurse (I email my daughter's CF nurse with questions quite often).

I am suprised your DR didn't put Ethan on Tobi and Cipro (that is what the recent studies are showing to be the most effective for eradicating pseduo during the first cultures with it) so you might want to keep that in mind for the future if he cultures it again. TOBI is questionable in children under 5 bc there aren't studies that have been done to keep track of side effects on toddlers-meaning it could possibly do more damage than just hearing loss (like that isn't bad enough!) and it made me VERY nervous to have my toddler take it...but she got rid of the pseudo (had a CT Scan done to make sure it wasn't hiding in there) and hasn't cultured pseudo for her last 4 cultures (knock on wood!). I worry each time that she has a culture done that pseudo will rear its ugly head but (as much as I hate for her to be on these meds) I want to treat them aggresively if they are there to prevent any lung damage.

Pseudo can be very tricky bc it can hide in the lungs (it also develops its own biofilm that keeps it protected from antibiotics) and each culture done only tests a small amount of sputum that came from who knows where - meaning that the pseudo could be camped out in a lower lobe while the sputum tested came from an upper lobe which would lead one to believe there is no pseudo which wouldn't really be the case. Once a toddler cultures it, most docs now days are saying something like: 14 days Cipro with 28 days TOBI, then TOBI every-other month until there have been a few psuedo-free cultures done. They used to say that people couldn't get rid of pseudo, but now they are finding that if it is caught right away and treated aggresively, it can be eradicated - which is why most/hopefully all clinics are doing sputum cultures at every visit even if there are no signs of infection. However, for those who aren't able to eradicate it soon enough, once it sets up camp in their lungs, TOBI and other drugs are used mainly to control it, not really to get rid of it.

Oh ya, my daughter cultured pseudo twice almost a year ago and showed NO symptoms at that time.

Hope this helps!
 
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