question about gi problems

My 7 year old has not been diagnosed with cf but she has to go to her pulmo every 6-8 weeks for pfts and to be weighed. She has had every test imaginable and her sweat tests were 30 and 44. So, we dont know if she really has it or not. But, anyways back to my question....she is taking miralax and prevacid everyday. If she skips her miralax she gets constipated. And, before I knew you could buy it over the counter, I ran out of it and was waiting to go see the doc again for a new perscription. She did not have it for a week and at first she was constipated and then started with diahrea. We did the fecal test and they said she is absorbing the nutrients like she is supposed to but what could be wrong with her digestion? Her diet is really good. I just dont know why she has to be on the meds if her test came back good? Thanks, Erin
 
My 7 year old has not been diagnosed with cf but she has to go to her pulmo every 6-8 weeks for pfts and to be weighed. She has had every test imaginable and her sweat tests were 30 and 44. So, we dont know if she really has it or not. But, anyways back to my question....she is taking miralax and prevacid everyday. If she skips her miralax she gets constipated. And, before I knew you could buy it over the counter, I ran out of it and was waiting to go see the doc again for a new perscription. She did not have it for a week and at first she was constipated and then started with diahrea. We did the fecal test and they said she is absorbing the nutrients like she is supposed to but what could be wrong with her digestion? Her diet is really good. I just dont know why she has to be on the meds if her test came back good? Thanks, Erin
 
My 7 year old has not been diagnosed with cf but she has to go to her pulmo every 6-8 weeks for pfts and to be weighed. She has had every test imaginable and her sweat tests were 30 and 44. So, we dont know if she really has it or not. But, anyways back to my question....she is taking miralax and prevacid everyday. If she skips her miralax she gets constipated. And, before I knew you could buy it over the counter, I ran out of it and was waiting to go see the doc again for a new perscription. She did not have it for a week and at first she was constipated and then started with diahrea. We did the fecal test and they said she is absorbing the nutrients like she is supposed to but what could be wrong with her digestion? Her diet is really good. I just dont know why she has to be on the meds if her test came back good? Thanks, Erin
 

hmw

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I'm so sorry you are having this trouble with your dd. Fluctuating digestive issues of all kinds are very common in cf and require a lot of different approaches to manage them. Which fecal test did your daughter have- fecal fat or fecal elastase? Is her diarrhea watery or is it greasy? Do her stools usually sink or do they float? What was their reasoning for the Prevacid- what symptoms led to her being put on that one? Sorry for all the questions- wanting to help so looking for as much info as I can. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I know what it's like to have a child your daughter's age and be looking for answers!

Oh, and I know you posted asking more specifically about her digestive issues, but I can't help but ask after checking out some of your other posts...
What genetic testing has she had for cf? It sounds like your dd has some pretty significant pulmonary symptoms and has had some type of genetic test yielding one mutation, but I am not sure how comprehensive it was or if you've since had more testing. (You mentioned Mayo in a prior post; that is not one of the few places that does genetic sequencing. All I can find for them is a 70-mutation panel test. There are well over 1,500 mutations that cause cf- that is why the most comprehensive test is essential.)

You would want her to have the Ambry Amplified w/ deletions and duplications. This is the most comprehensive genetic test available at this time and will find both mutations in an estimated 98% of those with cf, and the only way you can get it is if her blood is drawn and sent directly to Ambry's lab in CA. (Any lab can take the sample, but then it's sent directly to them in a special kit.) I hope you are able to get this done so you can get the answers you need soon!
 

hmw

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I'm so sorry you are having this trouble with your dd. Fluctuating digestive issues of all kinds are very common in cf and require a lot of different approaches to manage them. Which fecal test did your daughter have- fecal fat or fecal elastase? Is her diarrhea watery or is it greasy? Do her stools usually sink or do they float? What was their reasoning for the Prevacid- what symptoms led to her being put on that one? Sorry for all the questions- wanting to help so looking for as much info as I can. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I know what it's like to have a child your daughter's age and be looking for answers!

Oh, and I know you posted asking more specifically about her digestive issues, but I can't help but ask after checking out some of your other posts...
What genetic testing has she had for cf? It sounds like your dd has some pretty significant pulmonary symptoms and has had some type of genetic test yielding one mutation, but I am not sure how comprehensive it was or if you've since had more testing. (You mentioned Mayo in a prior post; that is not one of the few places that does genetic sequencing. All I can find for them is a 70-mutation panel test. There are well over 1,500 mutations that cause cf- that is why the most comprehensive test is essential.)

You would want her to have the Ambry Amplified w/ deletions and duplications. This is the most comprehensive genetic test available at this time and will find both mutations in an estimated 98% of those with cf, and the only way you can get it is if her blood is drawn and sent directly to Ambry's lab in CA. (Any lab can take the sample, but then it's sent directly to them in a special kit.) I hope you are able to get this done so you can get the answers you need soon!
 

hmw

New member
I'm so sorry you are having this trouble with your dd. Fluctuating digestive issues of all kinds are very common in cf and require a lot of different approaches to manage them. Which fecal test did your daughter have- fecal fat or fecal elastase? Is her diarrhea watery or is it greasy? Do her stools usually sink or do they float? What was their reasoning for the Prevacid- what symptoms led to her being put on that one? Sorry for all the questions- wanting to help so looking for as much info as I can. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> I know what it's like to have a child your daughter's age and be looking for answers!
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<br />Oh, and I know you posted asking more specifically about her digestive issues, but I can't help but ask after checking out some of your other posts...
<br />What genetic testing has she had for cf? It sounds like your dd has some pretty significant pulmonary symptoms and has had some type of genetic test yielding one mutation, but I am not sure how comprehensive it was or if you've since had more testing. (You mentioned Mayo in a prior post; that is not one of the few places that does genetic sequencing. All I can find for them is a 70-mutation panel test. There are well over 1,500 mutations that cause cf- that is why the most comprehensive test is essential.)
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<br />You would want her to have the Ambry Amplified w/ deletions and duplications. This is the most comprehensive genetic test available at this time and will find both mutations in an estimated 98% of those with cf, and the only way you can get it is if her blood is drawn and sent directly to Ambry's lab in CA. (Any lab can take the sample, but then it's sent directly to them in a special kit.) I hope you are able to get this done so you can get the answers you need soon!
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
<br />About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
<br />She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
<br />Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
thanks so much for responding. She had the genetic testing sent to mayo and it took about 6 weeks to get the results. I was told they did the most thorough test they had and only one mutation showed up but I will ask next time we are at her pulmo about the replications and deletions!
<br />About the fecal test- they were looking to see if she was absorbing the nutrients in her foods. It cam back in the normal range. Her stools are greasy and sometimes they float, sometimes they sink.
<br />She is on prevacid because she burps alot and she says she can taste "stuff" when she burps. I hope this answered all the questions.
<br />Does the pulmo have to request ambry for insurance purposes? If I elect to have ambry done about how much does it cost? I dont want my doc to think I am a paranoid mother and I feel like they are keeping close look over my daughter but I do feel that there is something other than just severe asthma...about asthma, one more question. When Kaylin has an attack she doesnt gasp for air like the typical asthmatic people, she starts with a non-preductive cough and complaining of her chest and then usually runs a fever. If we dont get it under control with in a day or so it turns into pneumonia. Does that sound like asthma? I really appreciate all of the advice. I am so glad there is this site to help people like me! Erin
 
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Cherylwithone

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Harriett is correct. You really should have the Ambry test done. They are the best. On the the Asthma thing. My DD has CF and Asthma. I have Asthma. I cough when I have problems but have never ran a fever with it. Your daughter
really sounds like CF w/asthma.

On to the poop. Did they do the 72 hour collection? My DD has battled constipation all her life to the point her colon
went on vacation and did not return. She has to clean her system out every other day. Her body will not go on it's owen. It sounds like they are missing something. Are you
charting her bowel movements when she does have them? Also,
when she has a asthma attack write down what happens before hand. The more information you give them the better. Write down what she is eating. Then give them the log. THey just might see a pattern and then have an answer.
 
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Cherylwithone

Guest
Harriett is correct. You really should have the Ambry test done. They are the best. On the the Asthma thing. My DD has CF and Asthma. I have Asthma. I cough when I have problems but have never ran a fever with it. Your daughter
really sounds like CF w/asthma.

On to the poop. Did they do the 72 hour collection? My DD has battled constipation all her life to the point her colon
went on vacation and did not return. She has to clean her system out every other day. Her body will not go on it's owen. It sounds like they are missing something. Are you
charting her bowel movements when she does have them? Also,
when she has a asthma attack write down what happens before hand. The more information you give them the better. Write down what she is eating. Then give them the log. THey just might see a pattern and then have an answer.
 
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Cherylwithone

Guest
Harriett is correct. You really should have the Ambry test done. They are the best. On the the Asthma thing. My DD has CF and Asthma. I have Asthma. I cough when I have problems but have never ran a fever with it. Your daughter
<br />really sounds like CF w/asthma.
<br />
<br />On to the poop. Did they do the 72 hour collection? My DD has battled constipation all her life to the point her colon
<br />went on vacation and did not return. She has to clean her system out every other day. Her body will not go on it's owen. It sounds like they are missing something. Are you
<br />charting her bowel movements when she does have them? Also,
<br />when she has a asthma attack write down what happens before hand. The more information you give them the better. Write down what she is eating. Then give them the log. THey just might see a pattern and then have an answer.
 

hmw

New member
Ahhh, there is the clue. It sounds like she had best test offered by *Mayo*, not the most comprehensive test available. An Ambry test is never sent to a lab like Mayo- it is always sent to THEIR facility in CA>> they need their specialized equipment to perform the test.

Personally, yes, I believe an Ambry test would be covered for your daughter with all that is going on with her at this point... strong symptoms suggestive of cf PLUS one known mutation PLUS a borderline sweat test (44) should do it. And yes, the orders have to be written very specifically, to get the collection kit for it to be sent to Ambry (a collection tube, packaging and return label): "CF Amplified w/ deletions & duplications". Ambry staff can also work with your insurance to help get it covered.

Greasy stools are very commonly seen in cf, as are stools that often float (indicating fat malabsorption.) This was a very big issue with my daughter prior to her dx, and she was also not growing well at all for several yrs prior to dx no matter how much she ate. If it was a one-time sample, that may have not been very telling. A 72-hr collection complete with food log is more accurate since it's more likely to capture a broader range of what is 'normal' for your daughter. I would double check with the dr for the specific name of the test she's already had as well... so many of us parents have been through this here we can help you the more we know. Reflux is a common thing in cf, (but certainly not exclusive to cf as we all know.) Emily is on Prevacid too.

Emily has an asthma component to her cf as well. It is not a stand-alone dx but rather an inflammation aspect to her disease. When she gets sick it's generally what causes her the most trouble. We don't see an acute onset of 'gasping for air' either like you do in a stereotypical asthma attack. She does get a croupy cough & chest pain that will sometimes require the use of her inhaler or neb in a 'rescue' setting, but that is not the most concerning aspect of the asthma. We see a chronic cough that just will not stop, and the inflammation that goes with it eventually traps so much mucus in her airways that it leads to nasty infection. Daily use of an inhaled steroid has helped a lot, but she sometimes needs high doses of oral Prednisone to get the swelling down so she can cough the junk out.

How are her illnesses treated? What are her maintainance meds? Does she use a bronchodilator to help keep her airways open? Does she use inhaled steroids to help keep the asthma-related inflammation down as much as possible? Anything else? Prevention is so important to help keep symptoms manageable & help ward off infection. Of course, with cf, the airway clearance we do is vital in preventing infection as well as in helping them recover when they have one. I don't know how much the drs have spoken to you about this w/o your child having a cf dx, but even those without cf have had chest pt recommended to them when they have pneumonia to help get that junk out> I would have the rt teach you how to do it when you bring her in for pft's.

Any other questions we can help you with- please ask. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
I was in your place: a daughter with no dx but lots of unanswered questions, 2yrs ago. I feel for you. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

hmw

New member
Ahhh, there is the clue. It sounds like she had best test offered by *Mayo*, not the most comprehensive test available. An Ambry test is never sent to a lab like Mayo- it is always sent to THEIR facility in CA>> they need their specialized equipment to perform the test.

Personally, yes, I believe an Ambry test would be covered for your daughter with all that is going on with her at this point... strong symptoms suggestive of cf PLUS one known mutation PLUS a borderline sweat test (44) should do it. And yes, the orders have to be written very specifically, to get the collection kit for it to be sent to Ambry (a collection tube, packaging and return label): "CF Amplified w/ deletions & duplications". Ambry staff can also work with your insurance to help get it covered.

Greasy stools are very commonly seen in cf, as are stools that often float (indicating fat malabsorption.) This was a very big issue with my daughter prior to her dx, and she was also not growing well at all for several yrs prior to dx no matter how much she ate. If it was a one-time sample, that may have not been very telling. A 72-hr collection complete with food log is more accurate since it's more likely to capture a broader range of what is 'normal' for your daughter. I would double check with the dr for the specific name of the test she's already had as well... so many of us parents have been through this here we can help you the more we know. Reflux is a common thing in cf, (but certainly not exclusive to cf as we all know.) Emily is on Prevacid too.

Emily has an asthma component to her cf as well. It is not a stand-alone dx but rather an inflammation aspect to her disease. When she gets sick it's generally what causes her the most trouble. We don't see an acute onset of 'gasping for air' either like you do in a stereotypical asthma attack. She does get a croupy cough & chest pain that will sometimes require the use of her inhaler or neb in a 'rescue' setting, but that is not the most concerning aspect of the asthma. We see a chronic cough that just will not stop, and the inflammation that goes with it eventually traps so much mucus in her airways that it leads to nasty infection. Daily use of an inhaled steroid has helped a lot, but she sometimes needs high doses of oral Prednisone to get the swelling down so she can cough the junk out.

How are her illnesses treated? What are her maintainance meds? Does she use a bronchodilator to help keep her airways open? Does she use inhaled steroids to help keep the asthma-related inflammation down as much as possible? Anything else? Prevention is so important to help keep symptoms manageable & help ward off infection. Of course, with cf, the airway clearance we do is vital in preventing infection as well as in helping them recover when they have one. I don't know how much the drs have spoken to you about this w/o your child having a cf dx, but even those without cf have had chest pt recommended to them when they have pneumonia to help get that junk out> I would have the rt teach you how to do it when you bring her in for pft's.

Any other questions we can help you with- please ask. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
I was in your place: a daughter with no dx but lots of unanswered questions, 2yrs ago. I feel for you. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

hmw

New member
Ahhh, there is the clue. It sounds like she had best test offered by *Mayo*, not the most comprehensive test available. An Ambry test is never sent to a lab like Mayo- it is always sent to THEIR facility in CA>> they need their specialized equipment to perform the test.
<br />
<br />Personally, yes, I believe an Ambry test would be covered for your daughter with all that is going on with her at this point... strong symptoms suggestive of cf PLUS one known mutation PLUS a borderline sweat test (44) should do it. And yes, the orders have to be written very specifically, to get the collection kit for it to be sent to Ambry (a collection tube, packaging and return label): "CF Amplified w/ deletions & duplications". Ambry staff can also work with your insurance to help get it covered.
<br />
<br />Greasy stools are very commonly seen in cf, as are stools that often float (indicating fat malabsorption.) This was a very big issue with my daughter prior to her dx, and she was also not growing well at all for several yrs prior to dx no matter how much she ate. If it was a one-time sample, that may have not been very telling. A 72-hr collection complete with food log is more accurate since it's more likely to capture a broader range of what is 'normal' for your daughter. I would double check with the dr for the specific name of the test she's already had as well... so many of us parents have been through this here we can help you the more we know. Reflux is a common thing in cf, (but certainly not exclusive to cf as we all know.) Emily is on Prevacid too.
<br />
<br />Emily has an asthma component to her cf as well. It is not a stand-alone dx but rather an inflammation aspect to her disease. When she gets sick it's generally what causes her the most trouble. We don't see an acute onset of 'gasping for air' either like you do in a stereotypical asthma attack. She does get a croupy cough & chest pain that will sometimes require the use of her inhaler or neb in a 'rescue' setting, but that is not the most concerning aspect of the asthma. We see a chronic cough that just will not stop, and the inflammation that goes with it eventually traps so much mucus in her airways that it leads to nasty infection. Daily use of an inhaled steroid has helped a lot, but she sometimes needs high doses of oral Prednisone to get the swelling down so she can cough the junk out.
<br />
<br />How are her illnesses treated? What are her maintainance meds? Does she use a bronchodilator to help keep her airways open? Does she use inhaled steroids to help keep the asthma-related inflammation down as much as possible? Anything else? Prevention is so important to help keep symptoms manageable & help ward off infection. Of course, with cf, the airway clearance we do is vital in preventing infection as well as in helping them recover when they have one. I don't know how much the drs have spoken to you about this w/o your child having a cf dx, but even those without cf have had chest pt recommended to them when they have pneumonia to help get that junk out> I would have the rt teach you how to do it when you bring her in for pft's.
<br />
<br />Any other questions we can help you with- please ask. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
<br />I was in your place: a daughter with no dx but lots of unanswered questions, 2yrs ago. I feel for you. <img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
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Thanks for all the help!! I have some great questions to ask the doc when we go back. I will definately ask him about ambry.
As for Kaylins meds, she is on advair (which they just increased the mcg's), singulair, prevacid, miralax, multi-vitamin, and albuterol (as needed). Her pft's showed a 17% change after the albuterol the last time we went and thats why they increased the advair. But her pft's are normally at 95%. They have been lower and they have been higher. I dont know what normal is for the pft's but the pulmo says that 95% is pretty good. Thanks so much!
 
Thanks for all the help!! I have some great questions to ask the doc when we go back. I will definately ask him about ambry.
As for Kaylins meds, she is on advair (which they just increased the mcg's), singulair, prevacid, miralax, multi-vitamin, and albuterol (as needed). Her pft's showed a 17% change after the albuterol the last time we went and thats why they increased the advair. But her pft's are normally at 95%. They have been lower and they have been higher. I dont know what normal is for the pft's but the pulmo says that 95% is pretty good. Thanks so much!
 
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