5 year old Daughter MIGHT have CF

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Diana Willow

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Hello my name is Diana, I am mom to two children my son is 8 and my daughter is 5. My daughter was born premature at 35 weeks measuring 31. She has had chronic lung problems from RSV, Pneumonia, Asthma and whatever cold comes around she gets. She is also only 30lbs at 5 years old, oh and her poop floats. They thought she had some growth hormone problem but that came back negative. The allergist suggested having her get the sweat test for CF to try and get a handle on what's going on. I am totally lost at what all this means. I thought CF was something that would be noticeable at birth and not something that you find out at 5 years old. I don't really have any true questions right now but I was just wondering if this is unusually to look at CF later in life not at newborn age? And where do I go from here?
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Diana,

You must be so confused and scared. I guess to answer your question, many CFers are diagnosed at or shortly after birth because of newborn screening or problems with getting the first poop out. Others might get the diagnosis in the first couple years because of problems. The things you list are things that would red flag cystic fibrosis for a doctor. I recommend that you have your doctor immediately refer you to an accredited CF center for a sweat test and with them work to have a full genetic screen. The CFF.org has a list of accredited CF centers. You do NOT want a sweat test done any where else and you want to be seen for the test at a CF Center. Please write if you have more questions, but one thing I would caution you is that if she does have CF she will do so much better with treatments. AND that we are very very close to having real drugs to treat the underlying cause. In fact, if she has CF she might have one of the mutations for which there is already a "miracle" drug available. That is why it is so important to get her to gene test. Also, if it were me, I'd have my GP or OB order a CF blood screen for the basic panel for me and my husband so I'd know if we were carriers of those genes just to be a little better prepared. They can usually get those results in a few days. It doesn't mean you guys might not have other rare mutations that don't show up, but I'd like to know ahead of time if they already know I have a mutation. Please know of my prayers.
 
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Diana Willow

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Thank you for responding. We have an appointment to discuss things with her regular doctor on the 18th so I want to be armed with info. I'm just confused as why if she does have it that it didn't show up in the newborn blood screen? Also she tested positive in-uteral for down syndrome which turned out false not sure if that has anything to do with things.
 

Beccamom

New member
Welcome to the forum. I was diagnosed with CF at 35 and now at 37 with proper treatment I feel so much better. My daughter is genetically a CF carrier, but with CF treatments her lung function went from 50% to a high of 100% and holding in the 90s. She also went from being below the zero percentile for height and weight to the 10th percentile on 2 years of CF treatments. She was also a 32 week premise and misdiagnosed with asthma.

Has your child done pulmonary function testing. 5 is at the young end for children to be successful for that test. If so was the test done before and after albuterol. With asthma the lung function FEV1 should improve a lot such as about 12%. For my daughter her FEV1 decreases after albuterol, so asthma should have been rulled out long ago.

If you are referred to a CF center make sure not only is it accredited on cff.org, but make sure the doctor you are seeing sees mostly CF patients. My daughter was Seen by a pulmonologist at a CF center for 7 years before I got second opinions and found an actual CF doctor. The pulmonologist she was seeing was listed on the hospitals website as on the CF team. I later learned all the pulmonologist's at the hospital were listed on the website.

best wishes for quick answers and a treatment plan that works.

Diana,

You must be so confused and scared. I guess to answer your question, many CFers are diagnosed at or shortly after birth because of newborn screening or problems with getting the first poop out. Others might get the diagnosis in the first couple years because of problems. The things you list are things that would red flag cystic fibrosis for a doctor. I recommend that you have your doctor immediately refer you to an accredited CF center for a sweat test and with them work to have a full genetic screen. The CFF.org has a list of accredited CF centers. You do NOT want a sweat test done any where else and you want to be seen for the test at a CF Center. Please write if you have more questions, but one thing I would caution you is that if she does have CF she will do so much better with treatments. AND that we are very very close to having real drugs to treat the underlying cause. In fact, if she has CF she might have one of the mutations for which there is already a "miracle" drug available. That is why it is so important to get her to gene test. Also, if it were me, I'd have my GP or OB order a CF blood screen for the basic panel for me and my husband so I'd know if we were carriers of those genes just to be a little better prepared. They can usually get those results in a few days. It doesn't mean you guys might not have other rare mutations that don't show up, but I'd like to know ahead of time if they already know I have a mutation. Please know of my prayers.
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Five years ago some states still did not do CF newborn screens (you can google or call your state to find out what screens they did for her . . . you might actually ask them to send you the information b/c if they screened for CF that will show which mutations). There are more than 1000 CF mutations and what the states screen for varies. Some screen for only a few mutations, others something other than the actual mutation (can't remember the name), so she might not have been screened for CF, she might have but has a different mutation, or maybe doesn't have it. I guess if it were me, I'd have the sweat test arranged now so you aren't going into another cold and flu season with possible CF and not being treated for it. The 18th is a long time to wait until discussing and then waiting longer to get into the CF center. Can your alergist do the referal directly to the CF Center? Hugs and prayers.
 

Printer

Active member
To answer your question, there are almost 2000 known mutations, any two will cause Cystic Fibrosis. Newborn screenings usually only test for the most common 39 mutations.

Bill
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
Diana Willow,
Here’s hoping your daughter has nothing related to CF. Possibly the neonatal genetic test similar to CF that Aboveallislove is thinking about is, Spink1, a CF like mutation that presents pancreatic, GI and sinus issues identical to CF, leaving the lungs alone.

Welcome to the twilight zone of nebulous medical problems. And to make matters worse, it is your child who may not have the ability to distinguish how she is feeling from how she should be feeling. If I can suggest anything new, it would be to educate yourself on CF. Your first source probably should be CFF.ORG it is concise and reliable information. Some of their information is a little dated and some of it may be just hours old, but most information follows a popular presentation format. Information is given twice or three times, a plain worded explanation is followed by a more technical explanation and so forth. It looks like Wikipedia has information provided by the CFF and might be a more organized format to use. Don’t skip any highlighted terms you don’t know or get the gist of in context.

If your child is just being diagnosed, don’t panic yet. She has made it this far without a medical label and it probably would be good to never have one pinned on her, but late diagnosis of CF eventually has a price. Issues in the lungs and ENT or head infections, asthma and such are akin to a broken bone, the problem is apparent, like you can’t breathe. Malabsorption and malnutrition are not on our well fed radars, but are one of the first terrible things to cause problems. Fat soluble vitamins like AquADEK* would be a good thing to just start giving your child. I use the adult variety but I am certain any of the mothers can give you some specifics on chewables and such.

Everything from osteoporosis, to bad teeth and stunted growth can affect a child who isn’t absorbing proper amounts of vitamins and minerals. In CF, regular vitamins, even large doses of supplementary vitamins will do little good if they aren’t specially formulated for absorption with or without digestive enzymes. All of this is the result of the other mucosal surfaces in the body beyond the lungs and head-ENT (Ears, Nose and Throat).

The wet path from the lips to the rectum is a lining of mucosal skin or epithelia replete with mucus glands, all of which could be producing loads of molasses like mucus. Glands like the pancreas or gallbladder could produce thick unmoving digestive enzymes, bile salts and cholesterol meant for digesting food and vitamins. Sort of like missing a pitch, the ball or food arrives from the stomach only the digestive cocktail in the pancreas and liver swings way too late to meet the incoming food. That thick bile in the liver or goo in the pancreas will eat away at the place it is stuck. If the juices meant to digest a steak don’t make it into the duodenum, eventually the juices will digest the surrounding tissue where it became stuck, usually the pancreas. This can happen fairly quickly or over decades.

Other things like Mucinex should be evaluated by the CF specialist you are currently trying to find. Most CF doctors won’t suggest Mucinex, I am not sure what they advise if your child is already using it. I hate it so much that I probably should say nothing, but hypertonic saline thins mucus for example, and guaifenesin or Mucinex causes the body to make more mucus. If the patient makes normal mucus, thin, voluminous and natural pH, then making more mucus to free the desiccated or infected mucus away from the mucus membrane and flushed by blowing, swallowing it or coughing is great.

In CF, that new mucus may be as thick and worthless as the existing layer in the head, lungs and gut. I don’t take it because it stimulates mucus production also in my pancreas and gut. The mucus that is produced in the gut, especially glands like the pancreas are not particularly visible and describing pancreatitis at five or seven is a challenge. Hoping she doesn’t ever have pancreatitis, you might find a clever way to ask if she ever has back pain, especially between the shoulder blades. The gallbladder and pancreas are sticky organs and a dominant issue in atypical CF, CRMS and many cases of CF considered mild. There are other clues to what might be going on elsewhere in her body, but most people aren’t experts on referred pain.

CFers and the parents of CFers learn that many of the organs and body systems affected by CF don’t have direct reference pain like most of the body that is under conscious control. You smash your thumb and there is no doubt it was your thumb, why does angina, or heart pain show up everywhere but the heart? Embryology plays a large part in where sympathetic pain shows up. The left arm, shoulder and heart all erupt from a spot in the embryonic spine. When this early tissue is forming, nerves also form and never disconnect. Since our heart is an autonomic organ, not under conscious control, pain is not felt in the heart, lungs and so forth but rather some embryonic nerve threads. This can also mean that a heart attack is felt in the back instead of the classic left shoulder and arm, so it is less than exact. For CFers, lung pain beyond the bronchial tubes feels like back or sometimes chest pain when the source could be deep in the lungs.

Once you are under a CF center’s care, the imprecise practice of medicine will clarify a great deal but frustrations are still ahead. Hopefully not, but you need to toss away your understanding of the word “test”. Sweat tests are straight forward and not. Many people who are clinically diagnosed as having CF will repeat a sweat test until it confirms CF. What? Yeah, we aren’t all good sweat-ers, and there are ways to train you child’s body to sweat "better". Any other word but “test” should be applied here, maybe if you go through some of this site’s archives on sweat test dilemma’s people have dealt with you can get a sense of how crazy people get over something that is a note in your chart. It hasn’t been kicked from the Gold Standard status, and in fact if a person can sweat so poorly to be diagnosed with CF, there is virtually no doubt.

Genetic testing has solidified to a large extent for CF. As recently as three years back, I would have suggested it was a waste of time, and I am a geneticist! It was and to a degree still is a dubious test, again, toss that word test, we are far from quantifying and understanding all CFTR mutation alliances but CF has the first honest-to-God genetic drugs, and they work! It may be another two-three years before everybody with any CF mutation will be symptom free or substantially improved, but in fact, the future of CF is now finite, something very close to a miracle.

This forum is a wonderful place to search for answers, educate one’s self and find direction with a CF child. Keep in mind there is a very broad spectrum to CF. There are times when you may use this forum to voice your fears, grieve the losses that CF takes, whether it is 10% of your daughter’s FEV, a ten point jump in her blood sugar. CF is an individual experience and a symptom free parent is lost trying to accurately gauge a child's issues.

Welcome,

LL

*AquADEK is available without prescription found at your CF center’s pharmacy or easily ordered by most pharmacies.
 

CajunPenguin

New member
I was diagnosed at 8. It's been another 8 years since. The first half of my life, where I didn't know and wasn't being treated is horrible compared to the second half. I'm fit and strong, have loads of friends and get on fine with girls. Life didn't stop when I was diagnosed. It had only just started. I took a hit the last year with a string of hospital admissions and a torn cruciate, but now I'm on my way back :) Recently my thoughts have been this: CF changes your life. It gives you a lot of extra things to worry and feel down about but just as many to be happy and delighted about. My friends will never know the excitement of achieving an 85% PFT. They take life for granted, and have regrets. They leave things unsaid. Not me. My life is wonderful. I'm going to WIN. CF can fight me as long and as hard as it likes, but it won't do any good. I'm blessed with the strength and courage it has given me, as well as the best motivational tool in the world. And of course, the low body fat which allows me to be the ****ing tank I am ;)
 

JustaCFmom

New member
I have 3 kids diagnosed at ages 8, 15, 21.

CF has a spectrum. As people here have already said, make sure you see a real CF doctor, who is properly trained in the field.

Personally, my daughter was so sick when she was diagnosed at 15, I was sure she had lung cancer. I was relieved she had a diagnosis that offered a lot of hope.

Her lung functions have gone from 70%ile to over 100%. She is getting top of the line care, and my two sons received unwanted diagnoses when we subsequently screened the rest of our family - and they too are doing fantastic.

A friend of mine went to a top CF pulmonologist for her daughter's mysterious recurring pneumonias and was put on prophylactic azithromycin. Her daughter is doing much better. There can be many ideas, but you want to go in the right track.

Good luck in your search for an answer.
 
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Diana Willow

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Thank you all for your input we are still waiting on answers. Her doctor a GP has referred us to a pediatric specialist that we see next week. She will go over all her charts from birth to now and then probably send us to the CF specialist in the nearest city 3 hour drive away. Shes also having problems with her teeth and will be under going dental surgery and has failed the eye test at the school twice (which has lead to a referral to a pediatric optician. Shes so full of personalities its hard to think something life long is wrong with her but something HAS to be causing her to struggle all in everything medical.
 
Hi Diana,

My Daughter was diagnosed at 4 years old. The newborn screening can yield both false positive and false negative results. In my daughter's case, she had a positive result on the first test, and a negative result on the second. Almost always, they will throw out a positive result if followed by a negative one because IRT levels can be elevated right after birth for many reasons. They figure that if the level has gone to a normal range by the time the baby is a couple weeks old, then there is no need to worry about CF. Unfortunately for my daughter, the second result was a false negative, and she went for 4 years without treatments. It is meant as a screening, not as a difinitive test. Your daughters doctors and you are right to push for answers if things do not seem right. Good job and best wishes for some answers for you and your baby girl. Hopefully it's not CF, but if it is, She will get SO SO SO much better with treatments and proper care.

Best,

-C
 
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