All you "cool" people

[ccflewallen]

Would you agree with the statement: if you can get arrested for it, then its probably wrong? As for abortion, its not up to us to tell someone whether they can abort a child. However, if there is a living, breathing, human being inside you and he/she is fully developed like in the late second and third trimester, and can feel pain, and you kill him/her, then"I" think you messed up big time. In my own personal opinion, life begins at conception, and abortion terminates, thus kills another innocent human being. I cant stop a woman from doing that any more than I can stop her from shooting someone in the head, but both have the same result, death.

 

[Mockingbird]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>ccflewallen</b></i><br>Would you agree with the statement: if you can get arrested for it, then its probably wrong? <hr></blockquote>


No. In fact, i don't agree with the statement, If it is illegal, then it is wrong. Have you ever read Les Miserables? Ha ha, You're just like Javert. Javert was a good guy in his own way, though so don't get offended.

 

[ccflewallen]

Not offended, never read Les Miserables. Whisper behind my back to who? Thats one of the good things about these settings. We can sort of vent or whatever you want to call it and not really worry about those "backstabbers" in our own town. If we talk behind one anothers back, who is going to care what ccflewallen said on this forum in your home town. So why would you bother talking behind my back, or vice versa. I mean it's rude to do that anyway to people and we all do it from time to time, but like I said no one really is going to care about what a jerk someone might be on the internet that they do not know and will probably never see. Basicly, we can say and be who we are and not worry what each other think or say back to us. Pretty cool I think

Chris

 

[anonymous]

Whew............this topic is getting some interesting debates going One thing I just can't help but point out about the 'marijuana smoking' thread on this forum at the mo that has got itself another mention or two in this thread.......... Has anyone else noticed that a) a hell of a lot of ppl have read that thread, compared to a lot of others, but very few have responded........and b) just about everyone that has responded has done so anonymously! It's like everybody is a little scared of being judged on this particular subject. Personally if there is one thing I am VERY grateful to CF for, it's the fact that it has made me not give a flying f@#k what anybody, anywhere, thinks of me and what I do with my life. BTW - pot is not illegal in all countries, so if we are going to define 'wrong' as something you can be arrested for, pot doesn't always make the grade! Oh and i'm only replying as anonymous because i'm quite new here and have yet to be bothered creating a sign on..........i really should pull my finger out!

 

[ccflewallen]

I think it is interesting what people will say sometimes (including myself) to justify something they want to do or do not want to stop doing. Are we rebelling or what? Why do we do that?

 

[anonymous]

To Mockingbird...

<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0"> OMG, I feel so bad now... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0"> I'm so sorry!

 

[Lilith]

Ugh...that was me again. Forgot to long in... I suck at remembering that.

 

[Lilith]

As far as the abortion issue goes, I see it this way. You're saying that life beings at conception. All cells are living, no matter how insignificant. Does that mean that every woman who's had more than one period is a serial killer (yes, I took that from George Carlin...he's my idol ^_^)?

As for the pot thing...don't believe everything you hear. Anything can be bad if you do it too much, and just because it's illegal doesn't mean that it's something worthy of arrest. For instance, there are a lot of people in jail for doing pot and other illegal drugs, and they say we're running out of jail room...hmm, I wonder why? Maybe because we're putting harmless people in jail who don't need to be there, as opposed to the murderers and the rapists!!! I know I said that we shouldn't debate this in an earlier post, but dammit, I have to say what's on my mind. I've known people who've done pot that are completely hooked to the stage that they can't live without it. BUT, I've also seen people (including my own boyfriend!!) who smoke it OCCASIONALLY and are just fine. I do it once in a great while for the appetite it induces and for a little relaxation. I realize that it probably isn't helping my lungs, but I also know that it isn't going to hurt much as long as I do it in small amounts, and I'm not going to live my life in a plastic bubble just because I have CF. So I find it personally offensive when it sounds like you're classifying me as a bad person because I smoke a little weed now and then.

Basically, I agree with Mockingbird on just about everything. BTW, I'm really sorry for accusing you before, MB. A prime example of my temper sometimes ^_^; I hope you can forgive me.

 

[ccflewallen]

If you could reference where I classified someone as a "bad person" that would help me better understand your anger and I will quickly apoligize. Never mind that. I apoligize in advance because maybe it was the way I said something that made you think this way. It looks as though Mockingbird has himself a little fan club on here. Well you guys are certainly set in your ways and I understand, but I feel compelled to stand for what is "right", even if I must stand alone. Hey that sounded pretty good LOL. God Bless you all

Chris

 

[luke]

Must weight in, can't stop......Abortion is killing, and the comparison to menstration is a ridiculous one. Simply put it is not a life, it is blood, membrane, and an UNFERTILIZED egg. I used to like George Carlin but the more conservative I get the less amusing I find him. As for pot, I have smoked it, smoked a helluva lot of it and am not ashamed of the fact but certainly not proud of it either. What I am proud of is that I no longer do it, I don't "need" it anymore. I have a wonderful life and do not need the artificial happiness of inebriation on a continual basis to make it through.

One more thing, Jarod doesn't necessarily have a fan club, hell it is seldom we agree. But for as much as we argue here we all walk away with a mutual respect for each other?s views. Since you are a newbie you haven't got that yet, but you will.


Luke

 

[anonymous]

Luke, I agree with you about Carlin. I used to love his angry humor. Now the humor is gone, leaving only the anger. Talk about self-righteous! Did you catch Bill Maher last week?

I fail to see any real moral dimension to smoking pot. It is what it is. However, like sniffing panties or listening to Kenny G, confessing to it isn't always the wisest thing. People do judge. Could that judgement (about pot-smoking) affect the way you're treated for CF or even considered for a transplant? Maybe that's why folks like to discuss it anonymously.

As far as when life begins, I thought every sperm was sacred.

 

[Emily65Roses]

Okay, so what about fertilized eggs that don't attach to the uterine wall? Those pass in menstrual cycles. Hah. Just curious what you all think of that. Is that okay killng because it's not optional? Hah.

 

[ccflewallen]

If a woman is "with child" maybe you've heard of pregnancy being described that way, than she has another human being living inside her. I don't know of any clearer way to put it. If that pregnancy is terminated voluntarily because mom decided she didnt want a baby, then that baby will die, be killed, be terminated, what ever you want to call it. Now with that, if the mothers health or life is in danger or if the baby will be still born anyway, than obviously she has a decision to make. Do I live, or do I let my baby live? That would be a "pro-choice" decision.

The views I have expressed in this message in know way represent the views of any other individual than myself. No pun is intended. If you share these views, good for you. If not, thats fine too. Just trying to cover my bases here.

 

[Mockingbird]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lilith</b></i><br> BTW, I'm really sorry for accusing you before, MB. A prime example of my temper sometimes ^_^; I hope you can forgive me.<hr></blockquote>


'sokay. =-) I've done the same thing before. =-) I like George Carlin, too... Or at least I did; come to think of it I haven't seen any of him for a while.

 

[Mockingbird]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>ccflewallen</b></i><br>It looks as though Mockingbird has himself a little fan club on here. <hr></blockquote>

You know what they say; 20 million chinese people can't all be wrong. (And yes, they're all part of my fan club as well. Mi how, everyone! Shi shi!)

 

[ccflewallen]

good to hear from you tonight mockingbird. i dont know if it was the screen name or what, but until last night (which was only the second night I ever posted on here) I thought you were a girl. I have no idea what made me think that. You didn't say anything to give me that impression I dont think. I guess it had to be the screen name. I associate "bird" with girls for some reason. When I was a kid (like 5-10) I thought that all dogs were boys and all cats were girls, and I still refer to them that way. Anytime I talk about a dog, I almost always say "he" and likewise for cats I always say "she". Mental block I guess. Anyway, hope that does not offend you. What offends me is everytime I go to Hardees here in my town and order something, they always say "will that be all for you M'AM". It erks me every time. My wife says its because I am to polite and they think only a woman would be that nice. I dont know, but one day I am gonna pull a "mockingbird" on them and go off <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[Mockingbird]

Mockingbird is kind of a feminine name I guess. Or maybe i sound femine. Doesn't really bother me, though.

 

[jenhum]

I have to say, it is so nice to see people having a civilized discussion even though they have differing views on such flammable topics. You all could show some other forums I participate in a thing or two about maturity <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. For what it's worth, I agree with ccflewallen and luke on this subject, though it's taken a long time for me to settle on my exact opinion. For <b>me personally</b>, I believe that life begins at conception and that if God chooses to make a woman pregnant, then there is a reason for it. <b>However</b>, I realize that this opinion is deeply rooted in my religious beliefs, therefore I feel like I couldn't vote to make abortion illegal b/c I don't like to force my beliefs on other people. Unless of course their beliefs affect me personally, like smoking in public, but that's a whole other issue <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. So that's what I believe. While I don't think I could ever have an abortion myself, I realize that (other than my CF) I lead a relatively charmed life and therefore wouldn't take that right away from someone whose life I might never understand. Make sense?

As for the smoking pot issue, well I personally think it's ridiculous for someone with CF to smoke anything...but again, that's their choice, and they are the ones who have to live with it, not me.

 

[Emily65Roses]

"For me personally, I believe that life begins at conception and that if God chooses to make a woman pregnant, then there is a reason for it. However, I realize that this opinion is deeply rooted in my religious beliefs, therefore I feel like I couldn't vote to make abortion illegal b/c I don't like to force my beliefs on other people."

I just have to smile at this. Thought I'd tell you so. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">

 

[WinAce]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>jenhum</b></i><br>I believe that life begins at conception and that if God chooses to make a woman pregnant, then there is a reason for it.<hr></blockquote>

Okay, let's all agree that if we encounter another virgin birth, let's not abort the kid. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">