Asked to talk to Nursing Students about CF

ladybug

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i>

It isn't fair to expect a nurse that normally does not deal with CF to know about it...especially a CNA.. CNA's have a total of six weeks of class at best... and they don't learn about health conditions.. They learn how to take vital signs, bed baths, etc.


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Jennifer,

I sort of agree with you, but also think its the medical community's responsibility to provide proper training (especially to an M.D. that deals with bone and joint conditions as many cfp will someday develop such conditions). I am mostly upset with those who TRAIN these doctors and CNA's and nurses, etc.

I also think if you don't know what something is, DO NOT pretend to me like you do... for example, when I asked the CNA if he knew what cystic fibrosis was, he said, "oh yes, absolutely..." and then went on to make the comment that I should understand how a MS patient should feel. I realize he probably has little or no knowledge of CF, but at least do not assume everything with an accronym is a muscular disorder.

Also, the facial surgeon also said he "knew" what cystic fibrosis was and proceeded to tell me how he thought only males could get it. At this point, I was able to educate him, but at the same time I was let down that a prestigious school for medicine had not better trained him.

CF is no longer that rare as many of us are living far longer lives and the medical community is having to "deal" with many more of us having "normal" people complications. I think the medical community has a responsibility to better educate people that they may be dealing with CF and its complications (or other complications that come about from having CF) since so many of us ARE getting older and WILL deal with the "outside" medical community at many stages in our lives. For example, docs all seem to know what diabetes is since it is a controllabe (in most cases) disease that most docs will eventually have a patient with it. Well, for things such as CF, why can't we make THAT commonplace in U.S. medicine? Why is it my responsibility to educate nearly every doctor that I see who is NOT a CF specialist on my condition? Does a diabetic have to go in and explain thier condition to everyone who is not an endo. doc? I doubt it.

I just wish it were getting better as we are living longer and that the medical community accepted that, but to be honest I seem to have to explain it more NOW then I ever did as a child (cause its a "childhood" disease, right?) and that disheartens me.

As for Liza's original post... I have friends that ask why I can't go smokey places or assume I can. Its like they know I have CF, but do not know or care to educate themselves on it at all. I don't have family that don't seem to remember what CF is, but I can imagine your frustration at that as well.

I wish I had better advice to you, but I agree that speaking from your heart to her is the best route. If you show up to talk about something they think is CP and is in fact CF, you may leave everyone more confused than necessary. Like, in my mind, if someone would come to talk to my class about CF and it was a class on neuromuscular disorders, I would find myself constantly trying to make the connection! lol Although, as I referenced in my above post, maybe people NEED to hear more about CF, so you could always go and just tell them it has nothing to do with CP and here is some info. on it so at least you could get the info. out there. Sneaky sneaky.... lol

Good luck!
 

ladybug

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i>

It isn't fair to expect a nurse that normally does not deal with CF to know about it...especially a CNA.. CNA's have a total of six weeks of class at best... and they don't learn about health conditions.. They learn how to take vital signs, bed baths, etc.


q]


Jennifer,

I sort of agree with you, but also think its the medical community's responsibility to provide proper training (especially to an M.D. that deals with bone and joint conditions as many cfp will someday develop such conditions). I am mostly upset with those who TRAIN these doctors and CNA's and nurses, etc.

I also think if you don't know what something is, DO NOT pretend to me like you do... for example, when I asked the CNA if he knew what cystic fibrosis was, he said, "oh yes, absolutely..." and then went on to make the comment that I should understand how a MS patient should feel. I realize he probably has little or no knowledge of CF, but at least do not assume everything with an accronym is a muscular disorder.

Also, the facial surgeon also said he "knew" what cystic fibrosis was and proceeded to tell me how he thought only males could get it. At this point, I was able to educate him, but at the same time I was let down that a prestigious school for medicine had not better trained him.

CF is no longer that rare as many of us are living far longer lives and the medical community is having to "deal" with many more of us having "normal" people complications. I think the medical community has a responsibility to better educate people that they may be dealing with CF and its complications (or other complications that come about from having CF) since so many of us ARE getting older and WILL deal with the "outside" medical community at many stages in our lives. For example, docs all seem to know what diabetes is since it is a controllabe (in most cases) disease that most docs will eventually have a patient with it. Well, for things such as CF, why can't we make THAT commonplace in U.S. medicine? Why is it my responsibility to educate nearly every doctor that I see who is NOT a CF specialist on my condition? Does a diabetic have to go in and explain thier condition to everyone who is not an endo. doc? I doubt it.

I just wish it were getting better as we are living longer and that the medical community accepted that, but to be honest I seem to have to explain it more NOW then I ever did as a child (cause its a "childhood" disease, right?) and that disheartens me.

As for Liza's original post... I have friends that ask why I can't go smokey places or assume I can. Its like they know I have CF, but do not know or care to educate themselves on it at all. I don't have family that don't seem to remember what CF is, but I can imagine your frustration at that as well.

I wish I had better advice to you, but I agree that speaking from your heart to her is the best route. If you show up to talk about something they think is CP and is in fact CF, you may leave everyone more confused than necessary. Like, in my mind, if someone would come to talk to my class about CF and it was a class on neuromuscular disorders, I would find myself constantly trying to make the connection! lol Although, as I referenced in my above post, maybe people NEED to hear more about CF, so you could always go and just tell them it has nothing to do with CP and here is some info. on it so at least you could get the info. out there. Sneaky sneaky.... lol

Good luck!
 

ladybug

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i>


Not a whole lot of people in the general public have it so I wouldn't expect to many people to know <div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>

I know this isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but the fact its the most common genetic, fatal disease in the U.S. should mean it gets more attention IMHO. Also, as people with CF live longer, these numbers will go way up. (I don't mean to pick on your comments, Jennifer, as you do have a good point, but just want to post this to reiterate my point that it should get more attention.) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

This is from PulmonaryChannel.com/cf:

According to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, about 30,000 Americans, 20,000 Europeans, and 3000 Canadians have CF. In the United States, about 12 million people are carriers, and every year 2500 babies are born with CF.

The disease affects all racial and ethnic groups, though it affects Caucasians with northern European ancestry more often than other populations. It is the most common autosomal recessive genetic disorder in Caucasians, occurring in about 1 out of every 1600 births. In African Americans, CF affects 1 in 13,000 babies; in Asian Americans, 1 in 50,000 are affected.

One in 22 Caucasians are carriers. Genetic testing can identify carriers, but the tests are only 80%-85% accurate because not all of the several hundred mutations that can cause CF are detectable
 

ladybug

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i>


Not a whole lot of people in the general public have it so I wouldn't expect to many people to know <div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>

I know this isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but the fact its the most common genetic, fatal disease in the U.S. should mean it gets more attention IMHO. Also, as people with CF live longer, these numbers will go way up. (I don't mean to pick on your comments, Jennifer, as you do have a good point, but just want to post this to reiterate my point that it should get more attention.) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

This is from PulmonaryChannel.com/cf:

According to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, about 30,000 Americans, 20,000 Europeans, and 3000 Canadians have CF. In the United States, about 12 million people are carriers, and every year 2500 babies are born with CF.

The disease affects all racial and ethnic groups, though it affects Caucasians with northern European ancestry more often than other populations. It is the most common autosomal recessive genetic disorder in Caucasians, occurring in about 1 out of every 1600 births. In African Americans, CF affects 1 in 13,000 babies; in Asian Americans, 1 in 50,000 are affected.

One in 22 Caucasians are carriers. Genetic testing can identify carriers, but the tests are only 80%-85% accurate because not all of the several hundred mutations that can cause CF are detectable
 

ladybug

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JennifersHope</b></i>


Not a whole lot of people in the general public have it so I wouldn't expect to many people to know <div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>

I know this isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but the fact its the most common genetic, fatal disease in the U.S. should mean it gets more attention IMHO. Also, as people with CF live longer, these numbers will go way up. (I don't mean to pick on your comments, Jennifer, as you do have a good point, but just want to post this to reiterate my point that it should get more attention.) <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

This is from PulmonaryChannel.com/cf:

According to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, about 30,000 Americans, 20,000 Europeans, and 3000 Canadians have CF. In the United States, about 12 million people are carriers, and every year 2500 babies are born with CF.

The disease affects all racial and ethnic groups, though it affects Caucasians with northern European ancestry more often than other populations. It is the most common autosomal recessive genetic disorder in Caucasians, occurring in about 1 out of every 1600 births. In African Americans, CF affects 1 in 13,000 babies; in Asian Americans, 1 in 50,000 are affected.

One in 22 Caucasians are carriers. Genetic testing can identify carriers, but the tests are only 80%-85% accurate because not all of the several hundred mutations that can cause CF are detectable
 

blindhearted

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ratatosk</b></i>
.... 'cuz my son has CF and she asked me about CP. After that, I stopped using CF in casual conversation and say cystic fibrosis.</end quote></div>

I have had that happen to me. I will tell someone I have CF (often mistaken for Chronic Fatigue too, I've had people ask, "well you are just tired all the time right? nothing else bothers you.) or I will say Cystic Fibrosis and they will confuse it with Cerebral Palsy. I actually had one lady have a conversation with me telling me that I do good with my health, I didnt seem to have any problems with learning or anything like her friend's child. I was totally lost for a few minutes until I realized what she was talking about. I nicely explained the difference and cleared up the fact that they are too different diseases.

When my husband was in nursing school. I let him take some of my equipment to nursing class to show them some things that CFers use. He also did a demostation of CPT on the teacher (i think). I couldnt go myself. I had other things to do.

I agree with Allie, go when they are on the respiratory system...not neuromuscular system. It will keep things from being confusing.
 

blindhearted

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ratatosk</b></i>
.... 'cuz my son has CF and she asked me about CP. After that, I stopped using CF in casual conversation and say cystic fibrosis.</end quote></div>

I have had that happen to me. I will tell someone I have CF (often mistaken for Chronic Fatigue too, I've had people ask, "well you are just tired all the time right? nothing else bothers you.) or I will say Cystic Fibrosis and they will confuse it with Cerebral Palsy. I actually had one lady have a conversation with me telling me that I do good with my health, I didnt seem to have any problems with learning or anything like her friend's child. I was totally lost for a few minutes until I realized what she was talking about. I nicely explained the difference and cleared up the fact that they are too different diseases.

When my husband was in nursing school. I let him take some of my equipment to nursing class to show them some things that CFers use. He also did a demostation of CPT on the teacher (i think). I couldnt go myself. I had other things to do.

I agree with Allie, go when they are on the respiratory system...not neuromuscular system. It will keep things from being confusing.
 

blindhearted

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ratatosk</b></i>
.... 'cuz my son has CF and she asked me about CP. After that, I stopped using CF in casual conversation and say cystic fibrosis.</end quote></div>

I have had that happen to me. I will tell someone I have CF (often mistaken for Chronic Fatigue too, I've had people ask, "well you are just tired all the time right? nothing else bothers you.) or I will say Cystic Fibrosis and they will confuse it with Cerebral Palsy. I actually had one lady have a conversation with me telling me that I do good with my health, I didnt seem to have any problems with learning or anything like her friend's child. I was totally lost for a few minutes until I realized what she was talking about. I nicely explained the difference and cleared up the fact that they are too different diseases.

When my husband was in nursing school. I let him take some of my equipment to nursing class to show them some things that CFers use. He also did a demostation of CPT on the teacher (i think). I couldnt go myself. I had other things to do.

I agree with Allie, go when they are on the respiratory system...not neuromuscular system. It will keep things from being confusing.
 

Ratatosk

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So I asked my MIL if she had a chance to talk to the nursing instructor. She said yes and Jan apologized "I thought your grandson had cerebral palsy. And we've already covered respiratory disease earlier in the year, so maybe Spring Semester you could come talk to the class"

Still think she's a moron. The email started off specifically saying Cystic Fibrosis, then neuromuscular disease and references to CP. Oh well, if someone wants us to talk about CF, I'm more than willing. Especially since this instructor doesn't seem to know the difference and is now just tryingn to cover her butt. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Ratatosk

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So I asked my MIL if she had a chance to talk to the nursing instructor. She said yes and Jan apologized "I thought your grandson had cerebral palsy. And we've already covered respiratory disease earlier in the year, so maybe Spring Semester you could come talk to the class"

Still think she's a moron. The email started off specifically saying Cystic Fibrosis, then neuromuscular disease and references to CP. Oh well, if someone wants us to talk about CF, I'm more than willing. Especially since this instructor doesn't seem to know the difference and is now just tryingn to cover her butt. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Ratatosk

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Staff member
So I asked my MIL if she had a chance to talk to the nursing instructor. She said yes and Jan apologized "I thought your grandson had cerebral palsy. And we've already covered respiratory disease earlier in the year, so maybe Spring Semester you could come talk to the class"

Still think she's a moron. The email started off specifically saying Cystic Fibrosis, then neuromuscular disease and references to CP. Oh well, if someone wants us to talk about CF, I'm more than willing. Especially since this instructor doesn't seem to know the difference and is now just tryingn to cover her butt. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

blindhearted

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oh goodness, I thought your MIL got it confused...but the nursing instructor?!?! She should know better! Oh, I pray that her students are better at nursing knowledge than she is. If not....lord help them. You cant have the blind leading the blind when the results effect human life.
 

blindhearted

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oh goodness, I thought your MIL got it confused...but the nursing instructor?!?! She should know better! Oh, I pray that her students are better at nursing knowledge than she is. If not....lord help them. You cant have the blind leading the blind when the results effect human life.
 

blindhearted

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oh goodness, I thought your MIL got it confused...but the nursing instructor?!?! She should know better! Oh, I pray that her students are better at nursing knowledge than she is. If not....lord help them. You cant have the blind leading the blind when the results effect human life.
 

bmombtoo

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Okay, here's the solution.......As it is neuromuscular class day
put said child in a wheel chair, give him a neb treatment, and than
have him stand up and dance as you announced he's been cured, he's
been cured. <img alt="Big Grin" border="0" src=
"i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><img alt="Big Grin"
border="0" src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><br>
<br>
By the way my recent sense of humor has been brought on my managing
a kid with sixty-five roses (so we won't confuse it with CP or
chronic fatigue) and the semester heating up....big test tomorrow
in ethics, and small paper due in stats, and being on site at a
therapeutic treatment center for at least 16 hours a week for
clinical' s. Oh yes, Josh is home from school today not feeling
well....head ache since Sunday night.<br>
 

bmombtoo

New member
Okay, here's the solution.......As it is neuromuscular class day
put said child in a wheel chair, give him a neb treatment, and than
have him stand up and dance as you announced he's been cured, he's
been cured. <img alt="Big Grin" border="0" src=
"i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><img alt="Big Grin"
border="0" src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><br>
<br>
By the way my recent sense of humor has been brought on my managing
a kid with sixty-five roses (so we won't confuse it with CP or
chronic fatigue) and the semester heating up....big test tomorrow
in ethics, and small paper due in stats, and being on site at a
therapeutic treatment center for at least 16 hours a week for
clinical' s. Oh yes, Josh is home from school today not feeling
well....head ache since Sunday night.<br>
 

bmombtoo

New member
Okay, here's the solution.......As it is neuromuscular class day
put said child in a wheel chair, give him a neb treatment, and than
have him stand up and dance as you announced he's been cured, he's
been cured. <img alt="Big Grin" border="0" src=
"i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><img alt="Big Grin"
border="0" src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"><br>
<br>
By the way my recent sense of humor has been brought on my managing
a kid with sixty-five roses (so we won't confuse it with CP or
chronic fatigue) and the semester heating up....big test tomorrow
in ethics, and small paper due in stats, and being on site at a
therapeutic treatment center for at least 16 hours a week for
clinical' s. Oh yes, Josh is home from school today not feeling
well....head ache since Sunday night.<br>
 
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