Back in the hospital :'(

MiahsMommy

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Baby Miah got re admitted last night. They are saying her liver enzymes are elevated. Does anyone know if this is CF related? Doctor hasn't seen her yet so I'm confused at the moment and scared. Could this be serious? Please help!
 

MiahsMommy

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Baby Miah got re admitted last night. They are saying her liver enzymes are elevated. Does anyone know if this is CF related? Doctor hasn't seen her yet so I'm confused at the moment and scared. Could this be serious? Please help!
 

Ratatosk

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DS had issues as a baby with this when he was in the NICU. They suspected it was caused from his TPN (Nutritional Feedings) and/or IV antibiotics he was being treated with at the time. WIth his mutation as well there can be liver and gallbladder issues. DS was put on Actigall (urisidiol), has been on it ever since. He has bloodwork done every year and that includes liver levels and it hasn't been an issue since then.
 

Ratatosk

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DS had issues as a baby with this when he was in the NICU. They suspected it was caused from his TPN (Nutritional Feedings) and/or IV antibiotics he was being treated with at the time. WIth his mutation as well there can be liver and gallbladder issues. DS was put on Actigall (urisidiol), has been on it ever since. He has bloodwork done every year and that includes liver levels and it hasn't been an issue since then.
 

MiahsMommy

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She Is currently on ursidol since 2 months of old. And has been off tpn for about a month. This is the first time I've seen them concerned about the issue. I'm praying it isn't anything serious and can go home soon. How old is your baby? Where can I find more info on her mutation? I really don't know much just that it's considered "most severe"?
 

MiahsMommy

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She Is currently on ursidol since 2 months of old. And has been off tpn for about a month. This is the first time I've seen them concerned about the issue. I'm praying it isn't anything serious and can go home soon. How old is your baby? Where can I find more info on her mutation? I really don't know much just that it's considered "most severe"?
 

Ratatosk

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Our son is no longer a baby -- he's in elementary school. His issues cleared up pretty quickly once he was put on ursidol was taken off the TPN. They have mentioned at some point having a factor 2 ? test done at some point to check on his liver function.

As for DDf508 being more severe -- I know it's been discussed at length. People with this mutation tend to be pancreatic insuffient, but other symptoms, as with all mutations can vary from person to person. DS has more digestive and sinus issues.
 

Ratatosk

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Our son is no longer a baby -- he's in elementary school. His issues cleared up pretty quickly once he was put on ursidol was taken off the TPN. They have mentioned at some point having a factor 2 ? test done at some point to check on his liver function.

As for DDf508 being more severe -- I know it's been discussed at length. People with this mutation tend to be pancreatic insuffient, but other symptoms, as with all mutations can vary from person to person. DS has more digestive and sinus issues.
 

TestifyToLove

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12% of CFers will experience some form of liver complications directly related to their CF disease process. DDF508s are classic for having signfiicant gut complications, and frequently require TPN has babies for those struggles. TPN is liver toxic and can absolutely cause liver complications. However, the CF can cause those complications *without* the TPN as well.

Our son was diagnosed with liver complications by the time he was 3 months of age. His first liver biopsy at 3.5 months showed fibrosis consistent with CF on his liver. We'll never know if the TPN triggered it, or if being DDF508 was more than sufficient. Micah is also Hispanic. Our CF doctor (and director of our clinic) said that for reasons no one has yet been able to explain, 50% of Hispanics who have CF have the liver complications.
 

TestifyToLove

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12% of CFers will experience some form of liver complications directly related to their CF disease process. DDF508s are classic for having signfiicant gut complications, and frequently require TPN has babies for those struggles. TPN is liver toxic and can absolutely cause liver complications. However, the CF can cause those complications *without* the TPN as well.

Our son was diagnosed with liver complications by the time he was 3 months of age. His first liver biopsy at 3.5 months showed fibrosis consistent with CF on his liver. We'll never know if the TPN triggered it, or if being DDF508 was more than sufficient. Micah is also Hispanic. Our CF doctor (and director of our clinic) said that for reasons no one has yet been able to explain, 50% of Hispanics who have CF have the liver complications.
 

MiahsMommy

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TestifyToLove:
How is Micah doing? What kind of proceures has he had? How frequently are they doing lab work? What can i expect? I'd like to be prepared. Miah too is hispanic so there's a good chance it's CF related? I've never heard it being common in the Hispanic population., so what does that mean for them? Sorry for the list of questions. Thank you for the response.
 

MiahsMommy

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TestifyToLove:
How is Micah doing? What kind of proceures has he had? How frequently are they doing lab work? What can i expect? I'd like to be prepared. Miah too is hispanic so there's a good chance it's CF related? I've never heard it being common in the Hispanic population., so what does that mean for them? Sorry for the list of questions. Thank you for the response.
 

TestifyToLove

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Micah has had 3 bowel resections, as well as his last partial bowel obstruction in 2009. He was on Atigall when he was younger. The obstruction that cost him his illeoccecal valve necessitated that he come off of it.

I really don't think you can prepare for what Micah has been through, though. Micah was placed in fostercare due to severe medical neglect at age 3. His foster home was only marginally better on medical care than his birth home was. We didn't get Micah until he was six. Most of the damage was already done to him before he became ours.
 

TestifyToLove

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Micah has had 3 bowel resections, as well as his last partial bowel obstruction in 2009. He was on Atigall when he was younger. The obstruction that cost him his illeoccecal valve necessitated that he come off of it.

I really don't think you can prepare for what Micah has been through, though. Micah was placed in fostercare due to severe medical neglect at age 3. His foster home was only marginally better on medical care than his birth home was. We didn't get Micah until he was six. Most of the damage was already done to him before he became ours.
 

schmj4910

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Our son was born severely jaundiced and was thought to need a liver transplant. During his MI surgery, they "washed" his liver and removed his gallbladder. He was on Ursodiol until age 2. His liver is now functioning properly and not giving us any trouble. At each appointment, the doctor (pulmo or GI) would check the size and position of the liver by looking at his abdomen and pushing their hands around his stomach. We did lab work once a year. We will continue to check liver values every year with his other labs. His doctors have been vague about his predicted future with CF-related liver disease.
Our son is DDF508, but not Hispanic.
 

schmj4910

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Our son was born severely jaundiced and was thought to need a liver transplant. During his MI surgery, they "washed" his liver and removed his gallbladder. He was on Ursodiol until age 2. His liver is now functioning properly and not giving us any trouble. At each appointment, the doctor (pulmo or GI) would check the size and position of the liver by looking at his abdomen and pushing their hands around his stomach. We did lab work once a year. We will continue to check liver values every year with his other labs. His doctors have been vague about his predicted future with CF-related liver disease.
Our son is DDF508, but not Hispanic.
 

TestifyToLove

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I cannot stress strongly enouhg how vital having an actual Heptalogist on your team with liver complications is. Micah's liver didn't show significant issues until the last two years. Even now, if you go by his liver enzymes and strict lab values, his liver should be only marginally impacted. However, he has been low on platelets for several years, and is no longer adequately producing white blood cells. More significantly, regardless of what his liver enzymes show (and by those they predict he should have another 3-4 years), his liver does not function properly. Everytime he gets even a minor illness now, his ammonia levels rise and he shows rapid and significant signs of Hepatic Encephelitis.

Micah is a poor candidate for a liver transplant, and due to his Autism we will not consider a lung transplant for him at all. The pattern for liver disease seems to be that the liver holds fine, until some point the growth of the child surpasses what the liver can sustain. His Heptalogist has said several times that Micah's liver is not failing per se, but that it cannot sustain life for him anymore because we have brought his growth beyond a point that his liver *can* keep up. It is now that we are seeing rapid functional deterioration of his liver, and as of this week STILL not seen signifcantly in his lab values.

I have never found a GI that truly understood and knew how to manage his liver disease. His Heptalogist has been marvelous at knowing what is going on and never panickingg unnecessarily. He has offered in this final stage that rather than having to go to a new Heptalogist when we move, he will continue to consult with our new CF center's GIs so we don't have to travel 3+ hours for Heptalogy. If we were looking towards transplant, then it would be absolutely necessary that we see a new Heptalogist. However, until two years ago, our visits with Heptalogy were bi-annual check ups and labs run and consults for the abnormal platelet counts, not much more.

If you are facing liver disease CF complications in your child, please see a Heptalogist. It won't require much monitoring for many years, but it's one team member worth their weight in gold for the care of your child. He's the ONLY specialist who has been able to manage Micah's weight issues, fat soluabl vitamin struggles, and his idiopathic leg pain. While most of those fall under GI, the complications Micah has been experiencing since he was six are directly liver impacted and not merely CF GI issues. That was the subtle different that the GIs were not able to connect and thus treatment has not followed the path they expected for just CF.
 

TestifyToLove

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I cannot stress strongly enouhg how vital having an actual Heptalogist on your team with liver complications is. Micah's liver didn't show significant issues until the last two years. Even now, if you go by his liver enzymes and strict lab values, his liver should be only marginally impacted. However, he has been low on platelets for several years, and is no longer adequately producing white blood cells. More significantly, regardless of what his liver enzymes show (and by those they predict he should have another 3-4 years), his liver does not function properly. Everytime he gets even a minor illness now, his ammonia levels rise and he shows rapid and significant signs of Hepatic Encephelitis.

Micah is a poor candidate for a liver transplant, and due to his Autism we will not consider a lung transplant for him at all. The pattern for liver disease seems to be that the liver holds fine, until some point the growth of the child surpasses what the liver can sustain. His Heptalogist has said several times that Micah's liver is not failing per se, but that it cannot sustain life for him anymore because we have brought his growth beyond a point that his liver *can* keep up. It is now that we are seeing rapid functional deterioration of his liver, and as of this week STILL not seen signifcantly in his lab values.

I have never found a GI that truly understood and knew how to manage his liver disease. His Heptalogist has been marvelous at knowing what is going on and never panickingg unnecessarily. He has offered in this final stage that rather than having to go to a new Heptalogist when we move, he will continue to consult with our new CF center's GIs so we don't have to travel 3+ hours for Heptalogy. If we were looking towards transplant, then it would be absolutely necessary that we see a new Heptalogist. However, until two years ago, our visits with Heptalogy were bi-annual check ups and labs run and consults for the abnormal platelet counts, not much more.

If you are facing liver disease CF complications in your child, please see a Heptalogist. It won't require much monitoring for many years, but it's one team member worth their weight in gold for the care of your child. He's the ONLY specialist who has been able to manage Micah's weight issues, fat soluabl vitamin struggles, and his idiopathic leg pain. While most of those fall under GI, the complications Micah has been experiencing since he was six are directly liver impacted and not merely CF GI issues. That was the subtle different that the GIs were not able to connect and thus treatment has not followed the path they expected for just CF.
 

Anomie

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I don't understand what him having autism has to do with your decision to not have him transplanted. Is this because he won't be able to perform the necassary post-transplant care? I guess I'm just a little confused.
 

Anomie

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I don't understand what him having autism has to do with your decision to not have him transplanted. Is this because he won't be able to perform the necassary post-transplant care? I guess I'm just a little confused.
 
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