Beware: Your CF cough may get u kicked off plane

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kybert

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im thrilled that she got kicked off. sounds like her cold was pretty bad and the symptoms were uncontrolled so it would it be unfair to the other passengers to have her spread it around. id also imagine it would be pretty darn unpleasant to fly in that state anyway. they did her a favour. i say good on the crew for booting germ girl off. i wish all airlines would kick contagious people off, or at least make them wear masks.

and as for my coughing, i have nothing to worry about. last time i checked cf wasnt contagious so if anyone ever had questions id just give an explanation or carry a note with me.
 
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kybert

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im thrilled that she got kicked off. sounds like her cold was pretty bad and the symptoms were uncontrolled so it would it be unfair to the other passengers to have her spread it around. id also imagine it would be pretty darn unpleasant to fly in that state anyway. they did her a favour. i say good on the crew for booting germ girl off. i wish all airlines would kick contagious people off, or at least make them wear masks.

and as for my coughing, i have nothing to worry about. last time i checked cf wasnt contagious so if anyone ever had questions id just give an explanation or carry a note with me.
 
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Joanne

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I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.

With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.

Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).

So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.

The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.

Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.

While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....

By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!

Joanne Schum
 
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Joanne

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I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.

With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.

Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).

So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.

The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.

Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.

While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....

By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!

Joanne Schum
 
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Joanne

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I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.

With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.

Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).

So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.

The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.

Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.

While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....

By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!

Joanne Schum
 
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JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Joanne</b></i>

I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.


With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.


Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).



So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.



The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.



Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.



While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....



By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!



Joanne Schum</end quote></div>

I am curious as to whether this would be common practice. Granted your coughing up blood is a bit more "traumatic" then her cough.......
 
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JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Joanne</b></i>

I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.


With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.


Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).



So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.



The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.



Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.



While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....



By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!



Joanne Schum</end quote></div>

I am curious as to whether this would be common practice. Granted your coughing up blood is a bit more "traumatic" then her cough.......
 
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JazzysMom

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Joanne</b></i>

I wanted to share a personal experience I had when I was 23. I was on a plane, headed from California, to Rochester NY. I had been sick for about a week in California, with a persistant cough, and some hemoptysis.


With my parents, and wanting to get home to my docs, I was happy we were on board the plane.


Over Denver, I had a major episode of hemoptysis, MAJOR. The pilot asked for any doctors or nurses on board. We found both. The doc sat with me the rest of the way..... as we turned around and headed to Las Vegas!!! He said Denver would not be a good place for me. So besides this plane turning around, and the passengers who just received their lunches, that were then taken away, the Las Vegas airport had to shut down so we could land. Yes shut down, no taking off, no landing. ( A friend at work told me this, as his mom worked there and told him that the airport shut down for someone sick on a plane... it was me).



So I am thinking this cost the airline a lot, a lot of money. People missed connecting flights everywhere with the shut down and our turning around.



The great thing about this, I was surveyed by every airline whether the smoking on board helped to induce this episode. My docs and I said "yes". Let me add that this was when there was a smoking section on planes. The pilot had announced at take off that there was a problem with the a/c and smokers would have to "TAKE TURNS" smoking!!! How do you tell smokers to do that? So the plane was filled with smoke.



Shortly there after, smoking was prohibited on domestic flights.



While I feel very sympathetic for this girl, the possible problems could be extreme for so many people and business a the airport.....



By the way, I spent a week in Vegas, in the hospital, the day we left we got to the airport, and there were major storms across the country and they decided the possible delays and problems for me and my parents could be devastating. I had oxygen and they were not sure the tanks would last. So American put us up at the Alladin, had a limo to chauffer us around, paid for our food. The next day we were able to take off... so glad to land in Rochester!! I have been to Vegas a couple times since then and loved it... EXCEPT THE SMOKE!!!



Joanne Schum</end quote></div>

I am curious as to whether this would be common practice. Granted your coughing up blood is a bit more "traumatic" then her cough.......
 
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Jennifer1981

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Okay, this is my 2 cents...

I took a flight to Uruguay, S.A. last September 2006. I had only been off IV's for 4 weeks prior to the trip. I really wasn't up to it 100%, but I had bought the tickets in April 2006 so didn't really have much of a choice. My immune system wasn't perfect and could have picked up anything pretty easily. It was a 13-hour-flight!!!

Now, I went the whole 13 hours without any treatments or anything - only my albuterol inhaler. I hardly coughed or anything. But I was in the coach area so I was VERY WORRIED about picking something up from someone else. I wasn't perfect yet. Plus, I was going out of the country with CF. I WAS VERY SCARED! The only CF center in South America, that's any good, was in Brazil, a 5 hour drive.

I think if you are as sick as she must have been than she shouldn't have been allowed on the plane. A plane has one of the highest risk factors for picking stuff up due to recycled air. Imagine my 13-hour-flight. I would have picked that up in a heart beat then what? Sure she gets over it in a few days. But me...I wouldn't have been so lucky. I think people in general are very inconsiderate when it comes to being sick. In high school, I was always sick, thanks to sick kids coming to school. I was in the hospital 3 times a year, thanks to them. Now, I'm in the hospital once every 3 years. I'm doing nothing differently. I'm just not exposed to sick people that want to spread germs around. It's crap!!!

When people are sick, they need to be considerate of others. Not everyone has the perfect lungs, the perfect immune system, the perfect recovery. It's not like she had a family to support and had to go to work! I think it's great that she was kicked off! As far as CF patients are concerned, that's a completely different story. We are not going to get the whole plane sick. We have CF not a cold, flu, or anything else that we can pass on to others. Yes, if another CF person is on board that could be a problem. But our cough will NOT harm everyone else! I think the airline did the right thing. I thank them!!!
 
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Jennifer1981

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Okay, this is my 2 cents...

I took a flight to Uruguay, S.A. last September 2006. I had only been off IV's for 4 weeks prior to the trip. I really wasn't up to it 100%, but I had bought the tickets in April 2006 so didn't really have much of a choice. My immune system wasn't perfect and could have picked up anything pretty easily. It was a 13-hour-flight!!!

Now, I went the whole 13 hours without any treatments or anything - only my albuterol inhaler. I hardly coughed or anything. But I was in the coach area so I was VERY WORRIED about picking something up from someone else. I wasn't perfect yet. Plus, I was going out of the country with CF. I WAS VERY SCARED! The only CF center in South America, that's any good, was in Brazil, a 5 hour drive.

I think if you are as sick as she must have been than she shouldn't have been allowed on the plane. A plane has one of the highest risk factors for picking stuff up due to recycled air. Imagine my 13-hour-flight. I would have picked that up in a heart beat then what? Sure she gets over it in a few days. But me...I wouldn't have been so lucky. I think people in general are very inconsiderate when it comes to being sick. In high school, I was always sick, thanks to sick kids coming to school. I was in the hospital 3 times a year, thanks to them. Now, I'm in the hospital once every 3 years. I'm doing nothing differently. I'm just not exposed to sick people that want to spread germs around. It's crap!!!

When people are sick, they need to be considerate of others. Not everyone has the perfect lungs, the perfect immune system, the perfect recovery. It's not like she had a family to support and had to go to work! I think it's great that she was kicked off! As far as CF patients are concerned, that's a completely different story. We are not going to get the whole plane sick. We have CF not a cold, flu, or anything else that we can pass on to others. Yes, if another CF person is on board that could be a problem. But our cough will NOT harm everyone else! I think the airline did the right thing. I thank them!!!
 
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Jennifer1981

New member
Okay, this is my 2 cents...

I took a flight to Uruguay, S.A. last September 2006. I had only been off IV's for 4 weeks prior to the trip. I really wasn't up to it 100%, but I had bought the tickets in April 2006 so didn't really have much of a choice. My immune system wasn't perfect and could have picked up anything pretty easily. It was a 13-hour-flight!!!

Now, I went the whole 13 hours without any treatments or anything - only my albuterol inhaler. I hardly coughed or anything. But I was in the coach area so I was VERY WORRIED about picking something up from someone else. I wasn't perfect yet. Plus, I was going out of the country with CF. I WAS VERY SCARED! The only CF center in South America, that's any good, was in Brazil, a 5 hour drive.

I think if you are as sick as she must have been than she shouldn't have been allowed on the plane. A plane has one of the highest risk factors for picking stuff up due to recycled air. Imagine my 13-hour-flight. I would have picked that up in a heart beat then what? Sure she gets over it in a few days. But me...I wouldn't have been so lucky. I think people in general are very inconsiderate when it comes to being sick. In high school, I was always sick, thanks to sick kids coming to school. I was in the hospital 3 times a year, thanks to them. Now, I'm in the hospital once every 3 years. I'm doing nothing differently. I'm just not exposed to sick people that want to spread germs around. It's crap!!!

When people are sick, they need to be considerate of others. Not everyone has the perfect lungs, the perfect immune system, the perfect recovery. It's not like she had a family to support and had to go to work! I think it's great that she was kicked off! As far as CF patients are concerned, that's a completely different story. We are not going to get the whole plane sick. We have CF not a cold, flu, or anything else that we can pass on to others. Yes, if another CF person is on board that could be a problem. But our cough will NOT harm everyone else! I think the airline did the right thing. I thank them!!!
 
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2perfectboys

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Enough withCF is not contagious. Sure the normal CF cough is not, nor a lot of the bugs that cause havioc in CF lungs, but just because CF is not contagious, does not mean someone w/ CF is not contagious. People with CF can also get common colds and flus just like everyone else. If this girl had a cold and someone with CF gets it, then CF doesn't make it not contagious, they are still contagious.

Further, I don't see the need for a doctors notes or the need to explain about your CF to fly.
 
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2perfectboys

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Enough withCF is not contagious. Sure the normal CF cough is not, nor a lot of the bugs that cause havioc in CF lungs, but just because CF is not contagious, does not mean someone w/ CF is not contagious. People with CF can also get common colds and flus just like everyone else. If this girl had a cold and someone with CF gets it, then CF doesn't make it not contagious, they are still contagious.

Further, I don't see the need for a doctors notes or the need to explain about your CF to fly.
 
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2perfectboys

Guest
Enough withCF is not contagious. Sure the normal CF cough is not, nor a lot of the bugs that cause havioc in CF lungs, but just because CF is not contagious, does not mean someone w/ CF is not contagious. People with CF can also get common colds and flus just like everyone else. If this girl had a cold and someone with CF gets it, then CF doesn't make it not contagious, they are still contagious.

Further, I don't see the need for a doctors notes or the need to explain about your CF to fly.
 
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dbtoo

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>
With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>


Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.

That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...7_04_11/en/index.html
</a>
 
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dbtoo

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>
With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>


Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.

That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...7_04_11/en/index.html
</a>
 
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dbtoo

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>
With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>


Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.

That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...7_04_11/en/index.html
</a>
 
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cf4life

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dbtoo</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>

With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>



Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.



That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!



<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...1/en/index.html
</a></end quote></div>


I was not saying that this would happen now, obviously, but if there is a flu pandemic you can bet on people who look/act sick being pulled off flights, especially international flights to the US. I will be the first one to applaud this if it happens. I have seen they are even coming out with "instantanious" flu tests for doctors offices to quickly diagnose the flu. Maybe one day in the future they wil have these available before boarding of flights during times of a major flu outbreak.
 
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cf4life

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dbtoo</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>

With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>



Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.



That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!



<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...1/en/index.html
</a></end quote></div>


I was not saying that this would happen now, obviously, but if there is a flu pandemic you can bet on people who look/act sick being pulled off flights, especially international flights to the US. I will be the first one to applaud this if it happens. I have seen they are even coming out with "instantanious" flu tests for doctors offices to quickly diagnose the flu. Maybe one day in the future they wil have these available before boarding of flights during times of a major flu outbreak.
 
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cf4life

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>dbtoo</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>cf4life</b></i>

With SARS and bird flu looming,</end quote></div>



Last year there were 115 confirmed cases of bird flue, resulting in 79 deaths.



That's 24 out of over 6,000,000,000 people. IMHO - nothing more than news media making the news rather than reporting it!



<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/country/cases_table_2007_04_11/en/index.html
">http://www.who.int/csr/disease...1/en/index.html
</a></end quote></div>


I was not saying that this would happen now, obviously, but if there is a flu pandemic you can bet on people who look/act sick being pulled off flights, especially international flights to the US. I will be the first one to applaud this if it happens. I have seen they are even coming out with "instantanious" flu tests for doctors offices to quickly diagnose the flu. Maybe one day in the future they wil have these available before boarding of flights during times of a major flu outbreak.
 
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