Can someone give me information on these mutations (Delta F508 and w1282x)?

MargaritaChic

New member
My daughter is 24 days old. When she was 7 days old we received her newborn screening results and found that she has CF (Delta F508 and w1282x).

She has not had the sweat test done yet. We will have it done in a few weeks because we were told that it can be difficult to collect in newborns. We have been told that the genetics show that she most likely has CF and the Sweat test will just be done as a final conformation.

We have started her on Vitamin drops and enzymes. We have ordered a machine to give her lung treatments and were recently shown how to pound on her chest & back.

I am information on these two genes. I still cannot believe this is happening to my baby girl. I need any help/information you can provide.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
My daughter is 24 days old. When she was 7 days old we received her newborn screening results and found that she has CF (Delta F508 and w1282x).

She has not had the sweat test done yet. We will have it done in a few weeks because we were told that it can be difficult to collect in newborns. We have been told that the genetics show that she most likely has CF and the Sweat test will just be done as a final conformation.

We have started her on Vitamin drops and enzymes. We have ordered a machine to give her lung treatments and were recently shown how to pound on her chest & back.

I am information on these two genes. I still cannot believe this is happening to my baby girl. I need any help/information you can provide.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
My daughter is 24 days old. When she was 7 days old we received her newborn screening results and found that she has CF (Delta F508 and w1282x).

She has not had the sweat test done yet. We will have it done in a few weeks because we were told that it can be difficult to collect in newborns. We have been told that the genetics show that she most likely has CF and the Sweat test will just be done as a final conformation.

We have started her on Vitamin drops and enzymes. We have ordered a machine to give her lung treatments and were recently shown how to pound on her chest & back.

I am information on these two genes. I still cannot believe this is happening to my baby girl. I need any help/information you can provide.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
My daughter is 24 days old. When she was 7 days old we received her newborn screening results and found that she has CF (Delta F508 and w1282x).

She has not had the sweat test done yet. We will have it done in a few weeks because we were told that it can be difficult to collect in newborns. We have been told that the genetics show that she most likely has CF and the Sweat test will just be done as a final conformation.

We have started her on Vitamin drops and enzymes. We have ordered a machine to give her lung treatments and were recently shown how to pound on her chest & back.

I am information on these two genes. I still cannot believe this is happening to my baby girl. I need any help/information you can provide.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
My daughter is 24 days old. When she was 7 days old we received her newborn screening results and found that she has CF (Delta F508 and w1282x).

She has not had the sweat test done yet. We will have it done in a few weeks because we were told that it can be difficult to collect in newborns. We have been told that the genetics show that she most likely has CF and the Sweat test will just be done as a final conformation.

We have started her on Vitamin drops and enzymes. We have ordered a machine to give her lung treatments and were recently shown how to pound on her chest & back.

I am information on these two genes. I still cannot believe this is happening to my baby girl. I need any help/information you can provide.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Hello. So a genetic diagnosis of CF is really all you need. A sweat test is a pretty old school test that can give false negatives. Genetic tests, which in your case has revealed two CF genes, indicates CF. Great that you have the new born screening. Sweat tests are pretty pointless.

I wish genes could predict clinical outcome, but the reality is that they don't. Siblings, who have the same CF genes (because they're siblings), have dramatically different clinical outcomes.

CF health/ or lackthereof depends on proactive medical treatment, environment, modifier genes (other genes that modify the way that CF genes are expressed), exercise, and compliance with medical therapy.

DF508 is the most common CF gene and many CFers have two copies of the gene. Yet their life spans, disease severity and health are all across the board.

Bottomline is your daughter was diagnosed early which is fantastic. This way you can begin proactive care immediately. Get to a local CF center. Educate yourself about the disease and start treatment <b> BEFORE </b> symptoms arise. The name of the game with CF is to prevent disease progression as oppposed to treating symptoms as they arise.

You've come to the right place though. This forum will serve as an excellent educational resource.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Hello. So a genetic diagnosis of CF is really all you need. A sweat test is a pretty old school test that can give false negatives. Genetic tests, which in your case has revealed two CF genes, indicates CF. Great that you have the new born screening. Sweat tests are pretty pointless.

I wish genes could predict clinical outcome, but the reality is that they don't. Siblings, who have the same CF genes (because they're siblings), have dramatically different clinical outcomes.

CF health/ or lackthereof depends on proactive medical treatment, environment, modifier genes (other genes that modify the way that CF genes are expressed), exercise, and compliance with medical therapy.

DF508 is the most common CF gene and many CFers have two copies of the gene. Yet their life spans, disease severity and health are all across the board.

Bottomline is your daughter was diagnosed early which is fantastic. This way you can begin proactive care immediately. Get to a local CF center. Educate yourself about the disease and start treatment <b> BEFORE </b> symptoms arise. The name of the game with CF is to prevent disease progression as oppposed to treating symptoms as they arise.

You've come to the right place though. This forum will serve as an excellent educational resource.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Hello. So a genetic diagnosis of CF is really all you need. A sweat test is a pretty old school test that can give false negatives. Genetic tests, which in your case has revealed two CF genes, indicates CF. Great that you have the new born screening. Sweat tests are pretty pointless.

I wish genes could predict clinical outcome, but the reality is that they don't. Siblings, who have the same CF genes (because they're siblings), have dramatically different clinical outcomes.

CF health/ or lackthereof depends on proactive medical treatment, environment, modifier genes (other genes that modify the way that CF genes are expressed), exercise, and compliance with medical therapy.

DF508 is the most common CF gene and many CFers have two copies of the gene. Yet their life spans, disease severity and health are all across the board.

Bottomline is your daughter was diagnosed early which is fantastic. This way you can begin proactive care immediately. Get to a local CF center. Educate yourself about the disease and start treatment <b> BEFORE </b> symptoms arise. The name of the game with CF is to prevent disease progression as oppposed to treating symptoms as they arise.

You've come to the right place though. This forum will serve as an excellent educational resource.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Hello. So a genetic diagnosis of CF is really all you need. A sweat test is a pretty old school test that can give false negatives. Genetic tests, which in your case has revealed two CF genes, indicates CF. Great that you have the new born screening. Sweat tests are pretty pointless.

I wish genes could predict clinical outcome, but the reality is that they don't. Siblings, who have the same CF genes (because they're siblings), have dramatically different clinical outcomes.

CF health/ or lackthereof depends on proactive medical treatment, environment, modifier genes (other genes that modify the way that CF genes are expressed), exercise, and compliance with medical therapy.

DF508 is the most common CF gene and many CFers have two copies of the gene. Yet their life spans, disease severity and health are all across the board.

Bottomline is your daughter was diagnosed early which is fantastic. This way you can begin proactive care immediately. Get to a local CF center. Educate yourself about the disease and start treatment <b> BEFORE </b> symptoms arise. The name of the game with CF is to prevent disease progression as oppposed to treating symptoms as they arise.

You've come to the right place though. This forum will serve as an excellent educational resource.
 

NoExcuses

New member
Hello. So a genetic diagnosis of CF is really all you need. A sweat test is a pretty old school test that can give false negatives. Genetic tests, which in your case has revealed two CF genes, indicates CF. Great that you have the new born screening. Sweat tests are pretty pointless.

I wish genes could predict clinical outcome, but the reality is that they don't. Siblings, who have the same CF genes (because they're siblings), have dramatically different clinical outcomes.

CF health/ or lackthereof depends on proactive medical treatment, environment, modifier genes (other genes that modify the way that CF genes are expressed), exercise, and compliance with medical therapy.

DF508 is the most common CF gene and many CFers have two copies of the gene. Yet their life spans, disease severity and health are all across the board.

Bottomline is your daughter was diagnosed early which is fantastic. This way you can begin proactive care immediately. Get to a local CF center. Educate yourself about the disease and start treatment <b> BEFORE </b> symptoms arise. The name of the game with CF is to prevent disease progression as oppposed to treating symptoms as they arise.

You've come to the right place though. This forum will serve as an excellent educational resource.
 

CFHockeyMom

New member
Five mutations--delta F508, G542X, W1282X, N1303K, and 3849 + 10kb C-->T--account for 97% of the CF alleles in the Ashkenazi Jews.

DF508 is a Class II gene and W1282X is a Class I gene.

Class I mutations lead to defects in the synthesis of stable CFTR mRNA transcripts resulting in absence of the CFTR protein. About half of all mutations in CFTR (encompassing premature termination, exon skipping, aberrant mRNA splicing, and frameshifts) are thought to fall into this class and result in complete loss of CFTR protein/function.

Class II mutations complete protein translation but produce an abnormal protein that fails to escape the endoplasmic reticulum. Little or no CFTR reaches the plasma membrane, and the absence of all surface CFTR results in a severe phenotype. It is being increasingly recognized that mutations in unrelated genes can create defective proteins, which fail to traffic properly through the cell. Classically, missense mutations creating an abnormal protein were thought to be relatively benign or less consequential than nonsense mutations (null) or large deletions. This is no longer strictly the case because examples from CF and other inherited disorders demonstrate that a synthesized protein that fails to mature along the normal biosynthetic pathway often becomes quite destructive.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>1: Thorax. 2005 Jul;60(7):558-63. Links
Genotype-phenotype correlation for pulmonary function in cystic fibrosis.de Gracia J, Mata F, Alvarez A, Casals T, Gatner S, Vendrell M, de la Rosa D, Guarner L, Hermosilla E.
Department of Pneumology, Hospital general Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain. jgracia@separ.es

BACKGROUND: Since the CFTR gene was cloned, more than 1000 mutations have been identified. To date, a clear relationship has not been established between genotype and the progression of lung damage. A study was undertaken of the relationship between genotype, progression of lung disease, and survival in adult patients with cystic fibrosis (CF). METHODS: A prospective cohort of adult patients with CF and two CFTR mutations followed up in an adult cystic fibrosis unit was analysed. Patients were classified according to functional effects of classes of CFTR mutations and were grouped based on the CFTR molecular position on the epithelial cell surface (I-II/I-II, I-II/III-V). Spirometric values, progression of lung disease, probability of survival, and clinical characteristics were analysed between groups. RESULTS: Seventy four patients were included in the study. Patients with genotype I-II/I-II had significantly lower current spirometric values (p < 0.001), greater loss of pulmonary function (p < 0.04), a higher proportion of end-stage lung disease (p < 0.001), a higher risk of suffering from moderate to severe lung disease (odds ratio 7.12 (95% CI 1.3 to 40.5)) and a lower probability of survival than patients with genotype I-II/III, I-II/IV and I-II/V (p < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The presence of class I or II mutations on both chromosomes is associated with worse respiratory disease and a lower probability of survival.</end quote></div>

In short, a Class I-II/I-II combination is typically associated with a poor clinical outcome (i.e. lower PFT, PI, and a lower probability of survival). Where as someone with a I-II/III, I-II/IV or I-II/V is typically associated with less severe symptoms and in general a more favorable clinical outcome.

As Amy said, we have plenty of people on the forum here that have the same genotypes but completely different clinical outcomes. Environment, compliance, quality of care, and luck all contribute to clinical outcome.
 

CFHockeyMom

New member
Five mutations--delta F508, G542X, W1282X, N1303K, and 3849 + 10kb C-->T--account for 97% of the CF alleles in the Ashkenazi Jews.

DF508 is a Class II gene and W1282X is a Class I gene.

Class I mutations lead to defects in the synthesis of stable CFTR mRNA transcripts resulting in absence of the CFTR protein. About half of all mutations in CFTR (encompassing premature termination, exon skipping, aberrant mRNA splicing, and frameshifts) are thought to fall into this class and result in complete loss of CFTR protein/function.

Class II mutations complete protein translation but produce an abnormal protein that fails to escape the endoplasmic reticulum. Little or no CFTR reaches the plasma membrane, and the absence of all surface CFTR results in a severe phenotype. It is being increasingly recognized that mutations in unrelated genes can create defective proteins, which fail to traffic properly through the cell. Classically, missense mutations creating an abnormal protein were thought to be relatively benign or less consequential than nonsense mutations (null) or large deletions. This is no longer strictly the case because examples from CF and other inherited disorders demonstrate that a synthesized protein that fails to mature along the normal biosynthetic pathway often becomes quite destructive.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>1: Thorax. 2005 Jul;60(7):558-63. Links
Genotype-phenotype correlation for pulmonary function in cystic fibrosis.de Gracia J, Mata F, Alvarez A, Casals T, Gatner S, Vendrell M, de la Rosa D, Guarner L, Hermosilla E.
Department of Pneumology, Hospital general Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain. jgracia@separ.es

BACKGROUND: Since the CFTR gene was cloned, more than 1000 mutations have been identified. To date, a clear relationship has not been established between genotype and the progression of lung damage. A study was undertaken of the relationship between genotype, progression of lung disease, and survival in adult patients with cystic fibrosis (CF). METHODS: A prospective cohort of adult patients with CF and two CFTR mutations followed up in an adult cystic fibrosis unit was analysed. Patients were classified according to functional effects of classes of CFTR mutations and were grouped based on the CFTR molecular position on the epithelial cell surface (I-II/I-II, I-II/III-V). Spirometric values, progression of lung disease, probability of survival, and clinical characteristics were analysed between groups. RESULTS: Seventy four patients were included in the study. Patients with genotype I-II/I-II had significantly lower current spirometric values (p < 0.001), greater loss of pulmonary function (p < 0.04), a higher proportion of end-stage lung disease (p < 0.001), a higher risk of suffering from moderate to severe lung disease (odds ratio 7.12 (95% CI 1.3 to 40.5)) and a lower probability of survival than patients with genotype I-II/III, I-II/IV and I-II/V (p < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The presence of class I or II mutations on both chromosomes is associated with worse respiratory disease and a lower probability of survival.</end quote></div>

In short, a Class I-II/I-II combination is typically associated with a poor clinical outcome (i.e. lower PFT, PI, and a lower probability of survival). Where as someone with a I-II/III, I-II/IV or I-II/V is typically associated with less severe symptoms and in general a more favorable clinical outcome.

As Amy said, we have plenty of people on the forum here that have the same genotypes but completely different clinical outcomes. Environment, compliance, quality of care, and luck all contribute to clinical outcome.
 

CFHockeyMom

New member
Five mutations--delta F508, G542X, W1282X, N1303K, and 3849 + 10kb C-->T--account for 97% of the CF alleles in the Ashkenazi Jews.

DF508 is a Class II gene and W1282X is a Class I gene.

Class I mutations lead to defects in the synthesis of stable CFTR mRNA transcripts resulting in absence of the CFTR protein. About half of all mutations in CFTR (encompassing premature termination, exon skipping, aberrant mRNA splicing, and frameshifts) are thought to fall into this class and result in complete loss of CFTR protein/function.

Class II mutations complete protein translation but produce an abnormal protein that fails to escape the endoplasmic reticulum. Little or no CFTR reaches the plasma membrane, and the absence of all surface CFTR results in a severe phenotype. It is being increasingly recognized that mutations in unrelated genes can create defective proteins, which fail to traffic properly through the cell. Classically, missense mutations creating an abnormal protein were thought to be relatively benign or less consequential than nonsense mutations (null) or large deletions. This is no longer strictly the case because examples from CF and other inherited disorders demonstrate that a synthesized protein that fails to mature along the normal biosynthetic pathway often becomes quite destructive.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>1: Thorax. 2005 Jul;60(7):558-63. Links
Genotype-phenotype correlation for pulmonary function in cystic fibrosis.de Gracia J, Mata F, Alvarez A, Casals T, Gatner S, Vendrell M, de la Rosa D, Guarner L, Hermosilla E.
Department of Pneumology, Hospital general Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain. jgracia@separ.es

BACKGROUND: Since the CFTR gene was cloned, more than 1000 mutations have been identified. To date, a clear relationship has not been established between genotype and the progression of lung damage. A study was undertaken of the relationship between genotype, progression of lung disease, and survival in adult patients with cystic fibrosis (CF). METHODS: A prospective cohort of adult patients with CF and two CFTR mutations followed up in an adult cystic fibrosis unit was analysed. Patients were classified according to functional effects of classes of CFTR mutations and were grouped based on the CFTR molecular position on the epithelial cell surface (I-II/I-II, I-II/III-V). Spirometric values, progression of lung disease, probability of survival, and clinical characteristics were analysed between groups. RESULTS: Seventy four patients were included in the study. Patients with genotype I-II/I-II had significantly lower current spirometric values (p < 0.001), greater loss of pulmonary function (p < 0.04), a higher proportion of end-stage lung disease (p < 0.001), a higher risk of suffering from moderate to severe lung disease (odds ratio 7.12 (95% CI 1.3 to 40.5)) and a lower probability of survival than patients with genotype I-II/III, I-II/IV and I-II/V (p < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The presence of class I or II mutations on both chromosomes is associated with worse respiratory disease and a lower probability of survival.</end quote></div>

In short, a Class I-II/I-II combination is typically associated with a poor clinical outcome (i.e. lower PFT, PI, and a lower probability of survival). Where as someone with a I-II/III, I-II/IV or I-II/V is typically associated with less severe symptoms and in general a more favorable clinical outcome.

As Amy said, we have plenty of people on the forum here that have the same genotypes but completely different clinical outcomes. Environment, compliance, quality of care, and luck all contribute to clinical outcome.
 

CFHockeyMom

New member
Five mutations--delta F508, G542X, W1282X, N1303K, and 3849 + 10kb C-->T--account for 97% of the CF alleles in the Ashkenazi Jews.

DF508 is a Class II gene and W1282X is a Class I gene.

Class I mutations lead to defects in the synthesis of stable CFTR mRNA transcripts resulting in absence of the CFTR protein. About half of all mutations in CFTR (encompassing premature termination, exon skipping, aberrant mRNA splicing, and frameshifts) are thought to fall into this class and result in complete loss of CFTR protein/function.

Class II mutations complete protein translation but produce an abnormal protein that fails to escape the endoplasmic reticulum. Little or no CFTR reaches the plasma membrane, and the absence of all surface CFTR results in a severe phenotype. It is being increasingly recognized that mutations in unrelated genes can create defective proteins, which fail to traffic properly through the cell. Classically, missense mutations creating an abnormal protein were thought to be relatively benign or less consequential than nonsense mutations (null) or large deletions. This is no longer strictly the case because examples from CF and other inherited disorders demonstrate that a synthesized protein that fails to mature along the normal biosynthetic pathway often becomes quite destructive.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>1: Thorax. 2005 Jul;60(7):558-63. Links
Genotype-phenotype correlation for pulmonary function in cystic fibrosis.de Gracia J, Mata F, Alvarez A, Casals T, Gatner S, Vendrell M, de la Rosa D, Guarner L, Hermosilla E.
Department of Pneumology, Hospital general Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain. jgracia@separ.es

BACKGROUND: Since the CFTR gene was cloned, more than 1000 mutations have been identified. To date, a clear relationship has not been established between genotype and the progression of lung damage. A study was undertaken of the relationship between genotype, progression of lung disease, and survival in adult patients with cystic fibrosis (CF). METHODS: A prospective cohort of adult patients with CF and two CFTR mutations followed up in an adult cystic fibrosis unit was analysed. Patients were classified according to functional effects of classes of CFTR mutations and were grouped based on the CFTR molecular position on the epithelial cell surface (I-II/I-II, I-II/III-V). Spirometric values, progression of lung disease, probability of survival, and clinical characteristics were analysed between groups. RESULTS: Seventy four patients were included in the study. Patients with genotype I-II/I-II had significantly lower current spirometric values (p < 0.001), greater loss of pulmonary function (p < 0.04), a higher proportion of end-stage lung disease (p < 0.001), a higher risk of suffering from moderate to severe lung disease (odds ratio 7.12 (95% CI 1.3 to 40.5)) and a lower probability of survival than patients with genotype I-II/III, I-II/IV and I-II/V (p < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The presence of class I or II mutations on both chromosomes is associated with worse respiratory disease and a lower probability of survival.</end quote>

In short, a Class I-II/I-II combination is typically associated with a poor clinical outcome (i.e. lower PFT, PI, and a lower probability of survival). Where as someone with a I-II/III, I-II/IV or I-II/V is typically associated with less severe symptoms and in general a more favorable clinical outcome.

As Amy said, we have plenty of people on the forum here that have the same genotypes but completely different clinical outcomes. Environment, compliance, quality of care, and luck all contribute to clinical outcome.
 

CFHockeyMom

New member
Five mutations--delta F508, G542X, W1282X, N1303K, and 3849 + 10kb C-->T--account for 97% of the CF alleles in the Ashkenazi Jews.

DF508 is a Class II gene and W1282X is a Class I gene.

Class I mutations lead to defects in the synthesis of stable CFTR mRNA transcripts resulting in absence of the CFTR protein. About half of all mutations in CFTR (encompassing premature termination, exon skipping, aberrant mRNA splicing, and frameshifts) are thought to fall into this class and result in complete loss of CFTR protein/function.

Class II mutations complete protein translation but produce an abnormal protein that fails to escape the endoplasmic reticulum. Little or no CFTR reaches the plasma membrane, and the absence of all surface CFTR results in a severe phenotype. It is being increasingly recognized that mutations in unrelated genes can create defective proteins, which fail to traffic properly through the cell. Classically, missense mutations creating an abnormal protein were thought to be relatively benign or less consequential than nonsense mutations (null) or large deletions. This is no longer strictly the case because examples from CF and other inherited disorders demonstrate that a synthesized protein that fails to mature along the normal biosynthetic pathway often becomes quite destructive.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>1: Thorax. 2005 Jul;60(7):558-63. Links
Genotype-phenotype correlation for pulmonary function in cystic fibrosis.de Gracia J, Mata F, Alvarez A, Casals T, Gatner S, Vendrell M, de la Rosa D, Guarner L, Hermosilla E.
Department of Pneumology, Hospital general Vall d'Hebron, Barcelona, Spain. jgracia@separ.es

BACKGROUND: Since the CFTR gene was cloned, more than 1000 mutations have been identified. To date, a clear relationship has not been established between genotype and the progression of lung damage. A study was undertaken of the relationship between genotype, progression of lung disease, and survival in adult patients with cystic fibrosis (CF). METHODS: A prospective cohort of adult patients with CF and two CFTR mutations followed up in an adult cystic fibrosis unit was analysed. Patients were classified according to functional effects of classes of CFTR mutations and were grouped based on the CFTR molecular position on the epithelial cell surface (I-II/I-II, I-II/III-V). Spirometric values, progression of lung disease, probability of survival, and clinical characteristics were analysed between groups. RESULTS: Seventy four patients were included in the study. Patients with genotype I-II/I-II had significantly lower current spirometric values (p < 0.001), greater loss of pulmonary function (p < 0.04), a higher proportion of end-stage lung disease (p < 0.001), a higher risk of suffering from moderate to severe lung disease (odds ratio 7.12 (95% CI 1.3 to 40.5)) and a lower probability of survival than patients with genotype I-II/III, I-II/IV and I-II/V (p < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: The presence of class I or II mutations on both chromosomes is associated with worse respiratory disease and a lower probability of survival.</end quote>

In short, a Class I-II/I-II combination is typically associated with a poor clinical outcome (i.e. lower PFT, PI, and a lower probability of survival). Where as someone with a I-II/III, I-II/IV or I-II/V is typically associated with less severe symptoms and in general a more favorable clinical outcome.

As Amy said, we have plenty of people on the forum here that have the same genotypes but completely different clinical outcomes. Environment, compliance, quality of care, and luck all contribute to clinical outcome.
 

MargaritaChic

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CFHockeyMom,
Obviously, that is not what I was hoping to hear. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"> Thank you for your post.
 

MargaritaChic

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CFHockeyMom,
Obviously, that is not what I was hoping to hear. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"> Thank you for your post.
 

MargaritaChic

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CFHockeyMom,
Obviously, that is not what I was hoping to hear. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"> Thank you for your post.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
CFHockeyMom,
Obviously, that is not what I was hoping to hear. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"> Thank you for your post.
 

MargaritaChic

New member
CFHockeyMom,
Obviously, that is not what I was hoping to hear. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0"> Thank you for your post.
 
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