Canadian Health Care System

rosesixtyfive

New member
I may be opening up a can of worms, but I wanted to know if there were any Canadians out there and how you feel about your healthcare system? Are you happy? Do you feel your quality of CF care is good? Do you have easy access to hypertonic saline, pulmozyme, Tobi, all the CF drugs? Are you able to see your pulmonologist when you need to? With all the debates going on right now in the states, I want to know how Canadians truly feel about their healthcare system. If you are in the U.S., how do you feel about moving to a single-payer system? Thank you,
rosesixtyfive,
mother of Sam (ddf508)
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
since you ask, my opinion is: Our system isn't the best and there is lots that could be done to improve it, but going to single payer isn't one of them. When health care costs rise, our insurance rates go up. I don't see taxes being raised annual to account for increased costs, but rather that limits in coverage, weighing the "cost and benefit," and denying things that are currently covered. I think CFers would be one of the hardest hit by those types of cost-based rationing decisions. And in the long-run, there would be less research and investment because if pharmas for orphan drugs aren't able to reep the benefit, they won't invest. While this is theory, the practical can be seen with those in Canada and AU not having coverage for Kalydeco for a couple a years after those in U.S., and those on government insurance in U.S. are not getting Orcambi as quickly as those on private insurers, and EU doesn't have access to it yet.


I may be opening up a can of worms, but I wanted to know if there were any Canadians out there and how you feel about your healthcare system? Are you happy? Do you feel your quality of CF care is good? Do you have easy access to hypertonic saline, pulmozyme, Tobi, all the CF drugs? Are you able to see your pulmonologist when you need to? With all the debates going on right now in the states, I want to know how Canadians truly feel about their healthcare system. If you are in the U.S., how do you feel about moving to a single-payer system? Thank you,
rosesixtyfive,
mother of Sam (ddf508)
 
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morgo

Guest
As with most things, you get what you pay for. Public health insurance coverage is on a provincial level while overall regulations are looked after federally. Basic drugs (enzymes an antibiotics) are partially paid for by health insurance with the rest from the Canadian Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. If you want access to non-essential or specialized medications for CF (like Saline/Tobi) public health insurance does not cover this and addition health insurance is necessary. In terms o availability of healthcare professionals I hav always had amazing care. They have always been willing to see you between clinics if necessary an are very helpful and available. It will b interesting to see how new therapies will be covered, there is a lot of uncertainty around when they will be made available through insurance (public or private).
 

meech

New member
I have found access to doctors here in Canada great, I have multiple specialists and can usually get in for an emergency appointment quickly. As for any meds here, one medication I need ( nothing to do with cf ) is called berinert and is supplied through Canada blood services. I believe the cost is over $3000 per dose. So I feel very lucky to live here. As for any CF meds I've needed so far they have all been covered on the provincial CF formulary, which I believe varies from Province to Province. Here is a link to what is covered in each Province.
http://www.cysticfibrosis.ca/advocacy/access-to-medicines/
 

vbs420

New member
There is a huge misconception about Canada's health care system, and even most Canadians don't truly understand how it works, until they need to access services.

That said, I will focus my comments on just how the Canadian system works for people with CF.

Federal vs Provincial.

The federal government sets the legislation by which each of the 10 provinces and 3 territories must follow in the administration and delivery of health care. Aside from providing for "bill free" access to emergency services and doctor visits, everything else is optional and decided by individual provinces and territories.

I have lived in Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia, so I can only speak to these provinces and their coverage for patients with CF.

I was only a child (under 18) in Ontario, and like many other provinces, children often have access to more health care than adults. As an adult in Ontario, I did not have access to many medications (inhaled antibiotics most notably). Until I was sick enough to have an infection, at which point PICC line, IV drugs, and home care was all insured and covered.

Ontario doesn't have any user fees or insurance premiums (aside from a line item on tax returns dedicated to an equal payment for all taxpayers to fund health care). Neither does Saskatchewan.

But Alberta and BC both have user fees for basic health care (Alberta recently removed the premium, but it may return).

I never had concerns with accessing prescription medications at any pharmacy in Saskatchewan. But there is (was when l lived there) only one CF clinic in Saskatoon, and I lived between 3 and 5 hours away by car; I could only afford to go to clinic a couple times over the 4 years I lived there.

Alberta has optional government insurance for prescription drug coverage. The premiums are somewhat affordable, and in geared to income. The co-pay caps out at $25 per drug, and prescriptions can be filled 3 months at a time. Careful planning will reduce the out of pocket costs. The downside is that the optional premiums cannot be purchased as an individual if you have a family: the family rates apply. There are only two clinics in Alberta; I didn't go to one of them, and I moved out of province to stop going to the other.

British Columbia has both health care user fees and a premium-free optional drug plan. The health care user fee ("MSP" = Medical Service Plan) is mandatory and geared to income and family size. I fall into the highest tier and have a bill of $144 / month. This fee provides ONLY access to a hospital and a doctor. NOTHING ELSE IS COVERED. The premium-free optional drug plan is often made mandatory by private insurance companies (policies provided through employment). It is very invasive of privacy and grossly outdated, as it is based on income tax filed from 2 years ago. Didn't file a return two years ago? Sorry. No drugs for you.

There is a LOT MORE red tape to also get insurance for CF drugs in BC. Far more hassle than I ever experienced in all of AB/SK/ON combined. I consistently and frequently go for months at a time without access to drug treatments because I cannot afford the pharmacy bills.

Some further comments:

The federal government has declared me as "disabled", but not the provincial government. I have gained access to reduced income tax rates and savings plans (through DTC and RDSP), but the province has not extended me such graciousness. My first year in BC, I didn't qualify for pharmacare, partly because the Clinic never registered me with the government drug plan, and partly because of incomplete paperwork and access to my tax return (privacy issues). So, no drugs.

My second year, my deductible (or rather: my out of pocket) was ~ $750 for the year. That's at least somewhat affordable, especially with enzymes at $3400 / month, Cayston or Tobi at $3000 / month, yada yada yada. But this year, my deductible quadrupled to $3000 for the year. YES! I didn't make a typo. The BC government calls it "Fair Pharmacare" and bases this fairness on family income. But somehow doesn't consider anything other than gross income.

Now, if the province decided I was disabled, all of these premiums and fees would disappear.

But why should I have to allow myself to become so ill and sickly, as to not be able to work (and pay taxes!), an not support my family, just so I can gain access to medications which would make me healthy enough to lose my disability status. ???!!???

The Canadian system is just as broken. It is not perfect. It's better than nothing. But there is a lot that could be fixed. Perhaps consistent access to therapies and drugs across all provinces would be a start.

Morgo: The CCFF does not pay a penny for anything other than research. I'm not sure where you got your information, but it is most definitely incorrect.
 

rosesixtyfive

New member
Thank you so much for all of your replies. I knew a child with CF who died at the age of 20 here in the states because she could not get health insurance, and therefore went for several months without the medicine that she needed. I want to pick up the fight where her mother left off, but I'm sorry I don't have the answers either.
 

Aboveallislove

Super Moderator
Thank you so much for all of your replies. I knew a child with CF who died at the age of 20 here in the states because she could not get health insurance, and therefore went for several months without the medicine that she needed. I want to pick up the fight where her mother left off, but I'm sorry I don't have the answers either.
many states have special health services plans that cover medica
expenses for those with certain conditions such as cf...michigan has one of the best from a cfers profile...that'd be what I'd lobby for as the "fix".
 

Printer

Active member
I suspect that the child in question passed before OBAMACARE or was in a state where the Governor would not sign onto the exchange. Pre-existing conditions is no longer a reason to decline health insurance in this country.

Bill
 

MichaelL

New member
I live in Toronto, Ontario. I am very happy with my care and would be hesitant to move somewhere else. The CF doctors, nurses and other members of the team are outstanding. They are very knowledgable and have helped me tremendously. They've gotten me into specialists and tests in a reasonable amount of time. I can also email the nurse or CF office if something comes up in between clinic visits.

The biggest issue I see with Canadian CF care is the lack of universal drug coverage. In Ontario, CF drugs that were used in the early 90's are covered by the provincial health plan. Since that time, they've put in an income-based drug coverage. I haven't had to use it, so I don't know a lot about it. I fortunately have employer drug coverage that has covers almost everything.

Another issue with CF care in Toronto is the facilities. The portion of the hospital where the clinic and ward are located are old. They don't have enough exam rooms so clinic days can be crazy. The hospital is building a new tower that is promised to have state-of-the-art hospital rooms for the ward. I look forward to its completion in 2018. The clinic will remain in the old part of the hospital.

Although Canada's coverage could be better, I am happy with my coverage. I would not want to live in the US with it's patchy system that leaves some people without insurance. I know Obamacare has improved coverage, but there are still holes.
 
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