CF adults w/ chronic joint & mucle pain

abnormal

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Now there are several threads out there that touch on this issue but I felt it would be best to to start new one posing a few simple questions for those to answer.
1. Have you had your joint & muscle pain diagnosed? If so, how?
2. How do you treat your pain?
3. Is there anything that makes your pain worse?
4. How long has this been a problem for you?
5. Do you feel your pain could be related to CF and or a treatment regime in some way?

I ask these questions to see if there is anything in common we as adult CF patients share that point out a correlation to CF and chronic joint and muscle pain. With the lack of research and knowledge on this issue in the CF medical community, I feel it is up to those dealing with this to come together and speak up.
If anyone can relate to this or has something else to share on the issue, PLEASE respond!
Thanks,
Abnormal
36w/CF
 

abnormal

New member
Now there are several threads out there that touch on this issue but I felt it would be best to to start new one posing a few simple questions for those to answer.
1. Have you had your joint & muscle pain diagnosed? If so, how?
2. How do you treat your pain?
3. Is there anything that makes your pain worse?
4. How long has this been a problem for you?
5. Do you feel your pain could be related to CF and or a treatment regime in some way?

I ask these questions to see if there is anything in common we as adult CF patients share that point out a correlation to CF and chronic joint and muscle pain. With the lack of research and knowledge on this issue in the CF medical community, I feel it is up to those dealing with this to come together and speak up.
If anyone can relate to this or has something else to share on the issue, PLEASE respond!
Thanks,
Abnormal
36w/CF
 

abnormal

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I for one having been trying for several months to figure out what is causing my joint and muscle pain and have yet to get any answers, diagnosis or viable treatment. My CF doc ran numerous tests and reffered me to my GP feeeling it was not CF related. MY GP Thought it could be depression causing my pain, another dead end. I have tried a Chiroparctor, massage therapy and I'm currently trying meditation and exercise to see if that helps. Still searching for an answers in the meantime....
 

abnormal

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I for one having been trying for several months to figure out what is causing my joint and muscle pain and have yet to get any answers, diagnosis or viable treatment. My CF doc ran numerous tests and reffered me to my GP feeeling it was not CF related. MY GP Thought it could be depression causing my pain, another dead end. I have tried a Chiroparctor, massage therapy and I'm currently trying meditation and exercise to see if that helps. Still searching for an answers in the meantime....
 
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Matt31

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I've.been dealing with this for atleast 4 years now and still haven't got any answers yet. my doctors around here think im making it up or something?? they won't do anything besides tell me to take 8-10 ib800 a day. when im hospital they will give me pain meds. like loratab. its really been getting worse an pain killers are the only thing that has helped. id like to Know what most of you take.for it?????
 
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Matt31

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I've.been dealing with this for atleast 4 years now and still haven't got any answers yet. my doctors around here think im making it up or something?? they won't do anything besides tell me to take 8-10 ib800 a day. when im hospital they will give me pain meds. like loratab. its really been getting worse an pain killers are the only thing that has helped. id like to Know what most of you take.for it?????
 

JustDucky

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Unfortunately I do have chronic joint and muscle pain. In answer to your questions:

1.) I have another condition that exacerbates joint/muscle pain. Years ago, doctors thought that I had fibromyalgia but that diagnosis has been changed as of a few years ago. I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome which is an inherited condition that makes my joints slip and dislocate easily. It is a collagen deficiency of sorts, makes my ligaments super stretchy. Pain is common as a result.

I also have inflammatory problems with my joints, the theory is that my chronic lung infections play a role in that. I tend to believe this, every time I get an exacerbation, my joints hurt that much more and are actually tender to touch. My muscles hurt, especially those around my chest area....perhaps that is from strain from coughing.

2.) I use a number of things to treat my pain...I guess it depends on how bad it is. I am on pain medication (Fentanyl and dilaudid for breakthrough pain) as the pain is pretty bad without these.. These medications were last ditch efforts to control the pain, my daily life was very impacted from the suffering. Simply getting out of bed hurt. I also am on Ibuprofen daily to help with the inflammatory aspects which I believe helps as well. Non medication therapies include hot showers as hot as I can stand them, heating pads, ice packs at times, listening to relaxing music, massage etc.....

3.)There are a few things that makes things worse for me. For one, if I over do things, or over exert myself, I might not pay for it immediately, but I certainly feel it the next day. Sometimes I don't want to slow any body down and just want to keep up with their pace when I know I should be careful and take things slowly to avoid the additional pain that would likely ensue if kept going. Weather also plays a part in my pain....as I have said in other posts, it doesn't even have to be just storms, it can be any weather change. From sunny to cloudy, rainy or vice versa.....any pressure changes and I feel them. Also, as stated previously, any infection and fevers too. I am not sure about anyone else, but whenever I run a fever, the pain in my joints goes up exponentially....the higher the fever, the worse the pain is. I call this the "ache of doom"

4.) Unfortunately, joint pain has plagued me since early childhood. I dislocated my knee when I was 8 by simply playing kickball. I went to kick the ball and down I went. As long as I can remember, I have had aches and pains....doctors back then attributed this to growing pains and such. CF wasn't even in the picture then as I wasn't diagnosed with that until I was 33.

5.)I absolutely believe part of my pain is related to CF....like I said, any exacerbations always increases my pain. I also believe that some of the medications to treat my infections also causes joint pain, Merrem is definitely on that list. Years ago before I became allergic to the quinolones (Cipro, Levaquin), I would always have knee pain whenever I was on these drugs (I was on them frequently for UTI's....again well before my CF dx)

From what I have read and seen on this board, we are definitely not alone with these pain issues....further research into this would be so beneficial and perhaps more doctors would walk away a bit more educated regarding pain and pain control associated with CF. I can't tell you how many times I have been brushed off, accused of being a hypochondriac, depressed, overworked, or worse, being a drug seeker when all I wanted were answers and relief. Luckily, I found doctors who listened to me but I know that some of you aren't so lucky in that department.

In the past, I have been under medicated as well for fear of the medication interfering with my breathing. But because I was in so much pain to even breathe, I did not take deep breaths which was counter productive in that I developed a whopping pneumonia...if they had properly medicated me, my breathing would have been more efficient and deeper and perhaps I wouldn't have gotten that nasty pneumonia. I know that they have to watch for respiratory depression, but leaving someone in extreme pain does great harm mentally and physically. It is a known fact that people do not heal as well from surgery if their pain isn't well controlled (too much stress hormones wind up in circulation, impedes healing). Where is all of this leading? Pain control should be a part of clinic visits as well...it seems that many people with CF could benefit from pain specialists to help live better lives..

I hope I have answered your questions, but if you have anymore, please feel free to ask more <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Jenn 40 w/CF
 

JustDucky

New member
Unfortunately I do have chronic joint and muscle pain. In answer to your questions:

1.) I have another condition that exacerbates joint/muscle pain. Years ago, doctors thought that I had fibromyalgia but that diagnosis has been changed as of a few years ago. I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome which is an inherited condition that makes my joints slip and dislocate easily. It is a collagen deficiency of sorts, makes my ligaments super stretchy. Pain is common as a result.

I also have inflammatory problems with my joints, the theory is that my chronic lung infections play a role in that. I tend to believe this, every time I get an exacerbation, my joints hurt that much more and are actually tender to touch. My muscles hurt, especially those around my chest area....perhaps that is from strain from coughing.

2.) I use a number of things to treat my pain...I guess it depends on how bad it is. I am on pain medication (Fentanyl and dilaudid for breakthrough pain) as the pain is pretty bad without these.. These medications were last ditch efforts to control the pain, my daily life was very impacted from the suffering. Simply getting out of bed hurt. I also am on Ibuprofen daily to help with the inflammatory aspects which I believe helps as well. Non medication therapies include hot showers as hot as I can stand them, heating pads, ice packs at times, listening to relaxing music, massage etc.....

3.)There are a few things that makes things worse for me. For one, if I over do things, or over exert myself, I might not pay for it immediately, but I certainly feel it the next day. Sometimes I don't want to slow any body down and just want to keep up with their pace when I know I should be careful and take things slowly to avoid the additional pain that would likely ensue if kept going. Weather also plays a part in my pain....as I have said in other posts, it doesn't even have to be just storms, it can be any weather change. From sunny to cloudy, rainy or vice versa.....any pressure changes and I feel them. Also, as stated previously, any infection and fevers too. I am not sure about anyone else, but whenever I run a fever, the pain in my joints goes up exponentially....the higher the fever, the worse the pain is. I call this the "ache of doom"

4.) Unfortunately, joint pain has plagued me since early childhood. I dislocated my knee when I was 8 by simply playing kickball. I went to kick the ball and down I went. As long as I can remember, I have had aches and pains....doctors back then attributed this to growing pains and such. CF wasn't even in the picture then as I wasn't diagnosed with that until I was 33.

5.)I absolutely believe part of my pain is related to CF....like I said, any exacerbations always increases my pain. I also believe that some of the medications to treat my infections also causes joint pain, Merrem is definitely on that list. Years ago before I became allergic to the quinolones (Cipro, Levaquin), I would always have knee pain whenever I was on these drugs (I was on them frequently for UTI's....again well before my CF dx)

From what I have read and seen on this board, we are definitely not alone with these pain issues....further research into this would be so beneficial and perhaps more doctors would walk away a bit more educated regarding pain and pain control associated with CF. I can't tell you how many times I have been brushed off, accused of being a hypochondriac, depressed, overworked, or worse, being a drug seeker when all I wanted were answers and relief. Luckily, I found doctors who listened to me but I know that some of you aren't so lucky in that department.

In the past, I have been under medicated as well for fear of the medication interfering with my breathing. But because I was in so much pain to even breathe, I did not take deep breaths which was counter productive in that I developed a whopping pneumonia...if they had properly medicated me, my breathing would have been more efficient and deeper and perhaps I wouldn't have gotten that nasty pneumonia. I know that they have to watch for respiratory depression, but leaving someone in extreme pain does great harm mentally and physically. It is a known fact that people do not heal as well from surgery if their pain isn't well controlled (too much stress hormones wind up in circulation, impedes healing). Where is all of this leading? Pain control should be a part of clinic visits as well...it seems that many people with CF could benefit from pain specialists to help live better lives..

I hope I have answered your questions, but if you have anymore, please feel free to ask more <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

Jenn 40 w/CF
 
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kgfrompa

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I have not brought joint pain up to my Cf clinic but I do have a appointment at the end of the month and plan on asking my cf team about the pain I am having.My joint pain started a few months ago and it usually happens at rest or wakes me from my sleep.I am thinking it is related to Cf because of all the responses I have read here. Intresting to learn so much from each and every one .
 
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kgfrompa

Guest
I have not brought joint pain up to my Cf clinic but I do have a appointment at the end of the month and plan on asking my cf team about the pain I am having.My joint pain started a few months ago and it usually happens at rest or wakes me from my sleep.I am thinking it is related to Cf because of all the responses I have read here. Intresting to learn so much from each and every one .
 
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Matt31

Guest
This is to justDucky what is ur dosage u take for pain an how often? if you don't mind me asking? what is everyone else taking an what dosage are yours
 
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Matt31

Guest
This is to justDucky what is ur dosage u take for pain an how often? if you don't mind me asking? what is everyone else taking an what dosage are yours
 
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kgfrompa

Guest
I take percect for the pain and it varies of how often depending on how i feel,I try real hard to stay off pain meds but I also want to live the best life I can .
 
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kgfrompa

Guest
I take percect for the pain and it varies of how often depending on how i feel,I try real hard to stay off pain meds but I also want to live the best life I can .
 
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Juniper

Guest
I live in the Uk and started with joint pain Late November. They thought it was linked to te fact my chest was worse so i had a course of IV antibiotics. For the pain the gave me ibuprofen which didn't work and diclofenac which again didn't work I then got a course of steroids which is the only treatment that makes me able to function again.
I was then enrolled on a study they are doing to see the link between CF and arthritis. I went last Thursday and had an ultrasound scan of my fingers wrists elbows knees ankles and feet. This showed swelling of my joints but i don't know the full outcome. I then had an MRI Scan and saw a Rheumatologist. He has given me a months course of steroids as they still think its linked to an infection as my CRP levels are still high even after IV's . I have to go back after i finish the steroids and they are hoping that things will sort themselves out. Meanwhile they repeated my CRP blood test of which i haven't got the results back.
The study has only just started so it will be a while before the results are published but i think it will be usefull for all suffering from this problem i will update you as i find out more.
I am now in less pain now the steroids have kicked in but does anyone else find the pain debilitating? I couldn't get to work yesterday as all my joints hurt so much to the extent i struggled to get off the loo and couldn't even put my tights on its very fustrating !!.
 
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Juniper

Guest
I live in the Uk and started with joint pain Late November. They thought it was linked to te fact my chest was worse so i had a course of IV antibiotics. For the pain the gave me ibuprofen which didn't work and diclofenac which again didn't work I then got a course of steroids which is the only treatment that makes me able to function again.
I was then enrolled on a study they are doing to see the link between CF and arthritis. I went last Thursday and had an ultrasound scan of my fingers wrists elbows knees ankles and feet. This showed swelling of my joints but i don't know the full outcome. I then had an MRI Scan and saw a Rheumatologist. He has given me a months course of steroids as they still think its linked to an infection as my CRP levels are still high even after IV's . I have to go back after i finish the steroids and they are hoping that things will sort themselves out. Meanwhile they repeated my CRP blood test of which i haven't got the results back.
The study has only just started so it will be a while before the results are published but i think it will be usefull for all suffering from this problem i will update you as i find out more.
I am now in less pain now the steroids have kicked in but does anyone else find the pain debilitating? I couldn't get to work yesterday as all my joints hurt so much to the extent i struggled to get off the loo and couldn't even put my tights on its very fustrating !!.
 

Havoc

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I've tried with the joint muscle pain at UPMC, KG. No luck. They had no idea and no intention of investigating since they wouldn't admit it could be CF related. I'm changing clinics, I'm tired of the BS.
 

Havoc

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I've tried with the joint muscle pain at UPMC, KG. No luck. They had no idea and no intention of investigating since they wouldn't admit it could be CF related. I'm changing clinics, I'm tired of the BS.
 
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1woodswoman

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Jonathan-
Glad to hear you're changing CF Clinics - if the one you've gone to doesn't meet your needs & doesn't listen to you, it's time to try someplace different. Unfortunetely, it sounds like most CF Clinics don't know what to do w/something beyond their scope of care -like pain dx & tx - until there is more research & clinical recommendations for tx.

I changed clinics last year, & am much happier. It happens that they have to an Intergrated Medicine Pain Clinic, which can be quite helpful. I'd avoid pain clinics run strictly by anathesiologists. As mentioned above, Rheumotlogists or arthritis clinics or experienced Chiropractors can be helpful also, esp. if they'll work w/your CF team (like trying to find a good GI who works well w/the CF clinic).

I was dx w/fibromyalgia, bursitis, & osteoarthritis about 20 years before the CF dx. Basically, the doctors said I "have a chronically inflamed body". So over the years I've had to learn to slow down & pace myself, practice yoga & meditation, & ask for help when I phycially need help lifting & carrying & other heavey stuff. For meds I take NSIAD's 24 hrs/day, Lyrica, & when the pain is really bad, I used to take Darvacet off the market now...boo hoo), but now use Oxycontin sparingly, prescribed by my primary care family physician. As much as possible, I rely on Integrated Medicine techniques for pain managament.
 
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1woodswoman

Guest
Jonathan-
Glad to hear you're changing CF Clinics - if the one you've gone to doesn't meet your needs & doesn't listen to you, it's time to try someplace different. Unfortunetely, it sounds like most CF Clinics don't know what to do w/something beyond their scope of care -like pain dx & tx - until there is more research & clinical recommendations for tx.

I changed clinics last year, & am much happier. It happens that they have to an Intergrated Medicine Pain Clinic, which can be quite helpful. I'd avoid pain clinics run strictly by anathesiologists. As mentioned above, Rheumotlogists or arthritis clinics or experienced Chiropractors can be helpful also, esp. if they'll work w/your CF team (like trying to find a good GI who works well w/the CF clinic).

I was dx w/fibromyalgia, bursitis, & osteoarthritis about 20 years before the CF dx. Basically, the doctors said I "have a chronically inflamed body". So over the years I've had to learn to slow down & pace myself, practice yoga & meditation, & ask for help when I phycially need help lifting & carrying & other heavey stuff. For meds I take NSIAD's 24 hrs/day, Lyrica, & when the pain is really bad, I used to take Darvacet off the market now...boo hoo), but now use Oxycontin sparingly, prescribed by my primary care family physician. As much as possible, I rely on Integrated Medicine techniques for pain managament.
 
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