CF Progresion

anonymous

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Charlotte,

Think about this all for a moment.

You originally asked if everyone progresses at the same rate. You said your daughter is fine now (has mild CF - mildly effected lung function) but you worry that something bad will happen (for example, I would guess, that she'll progress to a less good state - say to moderate state).

Truthfully, now.

Weren't you really truly hoping to hear that there were people with CF who never even progress from mild to moderate?

Weren't you hoping to hear that this is as <i>bad</i> as it gets -
rather than this is as <i>good</i> as it gets?

Cause I'm thinking that's what was going on with you when you posted your first query. That's what you wanted to hear. Which means that not hearing that (no matter how very sensitively put) was going to take your already existing anxiety and bring it right up to boiling.

But there was no way on earth you were ever going to hear that anyone with CF ever has a chance to avoid progression from the honest folks up here on the Adults forum.

Almost every single person who posts on the Adults form has had thieir lung function decrease over their lifetime. (I same "Almost every single person " because of Sean's 99% function, but otherwise I'd say "everyone".)

And many on the Adult form have lost friends, brothers, sisters, cousins, or spouses to CF. They have literally watched/lived the progression from mild > moderate > severe > end stage > death. Denial of the progressive nature of CF is not an option to anyone who has lost a loved one to the disease.

There are CFers who post here look in the mirror every day and see the effects of the effects of the progression - or feel it when they walk across a room. They fight like mad to slow it down to a crawl. They fight like mad to stay positive and enjoy life any way. But with all that fighting, one thing they can not do is stay in fulltime denial of the progression - there is no way to fight progression without acknowledging progression.

So as blunt, impolite, and insensitive as you (and luke) feel people were, they were actually pulling their punches a lot for you.

If you think what people wrote in their posts was blunt, you should hear what we say in our homes when we really get going. There's a lot of morbid, angry, wry, sarcastic battlefield humor in many of our homes (or was before our loved ones died). It <i>is</i> a battle. And battlefield humor and bluntness are part of our arsenal.

We need battlefield humor and bluntness up here. We will not be dropping it because sometimes a new person comes to read or query. Instead, we will be hoping that the new person learns to get down and dirty with the realities of fighting CF as soon as humanly possible. Battlefield humor and bluntness will need to be part of your daughter's arsenal. I suggest that they would be good in your arsenal.

You got to be tough and fight to stay alive and have a good quality of life - or to support your loved one in stay alive and have a good quality of life.

I would not be surprised if you are so upset now that you will just quote this post right back to me peppered with angry and defensive comments. If you need to do that then do that.

But please, Charlotte, think about it. Maybe instead of going into defensive angry posture it would be better to really accept how scared and angry you are and 1) cry your heart out, 2) accept the disease for what it is, and, then, 3) put on your boxing gloves and fight the disease rather than people who have it.
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

In response to anon...All religious reasons aside let me give that a heartfelt AMEN.



littledebbie not logged in</end quote></div>



I'm offended that you said "Amen". Also, please refrain from posting any cartoon images of Mohammed ok?
 

Faust

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I love it when someone as eloquent as me or more so, writes what I would have wanted to write if I cared enough. Props on that response. Sums up my feelings, but i'd just rather post a silly comment.
 

anonymous

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Nice 1 Anonymous - guess that is what I wanted to hear in the first place.

Thanks.

Charlotte<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SeanDavis</b></i>

I love it when someone as eloquent as me or more so, writes what I would have wanted to write if I cared enough. Props on that response. Sums up my feelings, but i'd just rather post a silly comment.</end quote></div>

Don't you care enough then?

Charlotte<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>miesl</b></i>

Charlotte - You came here, got what you asked for. This is the internet. You ask for opinions, and you would be a fool to think that everyone is going to tell you what you want to hear.



Sean has every right to say what he thinks about sugar coating. If you can't deal with it, I strongly suggest you move to the Families forum - which is more geared to parents/families of CF patients. The adult forum tends to be mostly CF patients and spouses of CF patients (who sure as hell are not going to sugar coat a damn thing).



So kindly, stop insulting the people who post here regularly. It isn't going to win you any friends.



-Michelle</end quote></div>

Michelle

I don't mean to insult anyone, that was not intended. I can deal with it. I am not sugar coating anything. No offence, but I wouldn't want you as a friend if you have an attitude problem, cos I certainly haven't. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif" border="0">

Charlotte
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SeanDavis</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>







<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>







Sean - sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. You aren't a parent to a child with CF so - how dare you?!!!!!</end quote></div>















You're right. He actually <u>HAS</u> CF. So how dare <i><b>you</i></b>??















Don't start a pissing contest, there's no need for it.















Oh and I happen to think sarcasm is pretty amusing. I doubt I'm the only one.</end quote></div>







I also think sarcasm is pretty amusing also, but in the right situation, otherwise it is pathetic and childish.</end quote></div>







Oh Yeah? Well my daddy can beat up your daddy!!</end quote></div>

See - that is really childish.

Charlotte<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

Charlotte,



Think about this all for a moment.



You originally asked if everyone progresses at the same rate. You said your daughter is fine now (has mild CF - mildly effected lung function) but you worry that something bad will happen (for example, I would guess, that she'll progress to a less good state - say to moderate state).



Truthfully, now.



Weren't you really truly hoping to hear that there were people with CF who never even progress from mild to moderate?



Weren't you hoping to hear that this is as <i>bad</i> as it gets -

rather than this is as <i>good</i> as it gets?



Cause I'm thinking that's what was going on with you when you posted your first query. That's what you wanted to hear. Which means that not hearing that (no matter how very sensitively put) was going to take your already existing anxiety and bring it right up to boiling.



But there was no way on earth you were ever going to hear that anyone with CF ever has a chance to avoid progression from the honest folks up here on the Adults forum.



Almost every single person who posts on the Adults form has had thieir lung function decrease over their lifetime. (I same "Almost every single person " because of Sean's 99% function, but otherwise I'd say "everyone".)



And many on the Adult form have lost friends, brothers, sisters, cousins, or spouses to CF. They have literally watched/lived the progression from mild > moderate > severe > end stage > death. Denial of the progressive nature of CF is not an option to anyone who has lost a loved one to the disease.



There are CFers who post here look in the mirror every day and see the effects of the effects of the progression - or feel it when they walk across a room. They fight like mad to slow it down to a crawl. They fight like mad to stay positive and enjoy life any way. But with all that fighting, one thing they can not do is stay in fulltime denial of the progression - there is no way to fight progression without acknowledging progression.



So as blunt, impolite, and insensitive as you (and luke) feel people were, they were actually pulling their punches a lot for you.



If you think what people wrote in their posts was blunt, you should hear what we say in our homes when we really get going. There's a lot of morbid, angry, wry, sarcastic battlefield humor in many of our homes (or was before our loved ones died). It <i>is</i> a battle. And battlefield humor and bluntness are part of our arsenal.



We need battlefield humor and bluntness up here. We will not be dropping it because sometimes a new person comes to read or query. Instead, we will be hoping that the new person learns to get down and dirty with the realities of fighting CF as soon as humanly possible. Battlefield humor and bluntness will need to be part of your daughter's arsenal. I suggest that they would be good in your arsenal.



You got to be tough and fight to stay alive and have a good quality of life - or to support your loved one in stay alive and have a good quality of life.



I would not be surprised if you are so upset now that you will just quote this post right back to me peppered with angry and defensive comments. If you need to do that then do that.



But please, Charlotte, think about it. Maybe instead of going into defensive angry posture it would be better to really accept how scared and angry you are and 1) cry your heart out, 2) accept the disease for what it is, and, then, 3) put on your boxing gloves and fight the disease rather than people who have it.</end quote></div>

By the way, I didn't like the last paragraph. There is no way I intended to fight you guys, you started bickering, not me.

Charlotte<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0">
 

Allie

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I actually want to bck up Charlotte on that one. She didn't start this. Luke made a comment about something I said, and the powerkeg was lit. She said she understood why I said it, I pretty much hold her blameless, unless I'm seriously missing something (don't count that out).

That being said, I do think that this would be better addressed on the families forum, where there seems to be a softer touch.


Edited to add: Unless Charlotte, you were indeed the one who said "How dare Sean" because he isn't a parent of Cfer. Then my defense of you is withdrawn.
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SeanDavis</b></i>



I love it when someone as eloquent as me or more so, writes what I would have wanted to write if I cared enough. Props on that response. Sums up my feelings, but i'd just rather post a silly comment.</end quote></div>



Don't you care enough then?



Charlotte<img src=""></end quote></div>


No I really don't. As a matter of fact, I think it's funny that i'm probably dying of brain cancer. I think people who get offended easily, especially when it's really stupid, need to be fed to ravenous lions in a public sporting venue to entertain others. In my opinion, if someone is that lame in general, there doesn't need to be outward scorn, but it needs to be entertainment for those who "get it".
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>SeanDavis</b></i>



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>







<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Emily65Roses</b></i>















<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>anonymous</b></i>















Sean - sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. You aren't a parent to a child with CF so - how dare you?!!!!!</end quote></div>































You're right. He actually <u>HAS</u> CF. So how dare <i><b>you</i></b>??































Don't start a pissing contest, there's no need for it.































Oh and I happen to think sarcasm is pretty amusing. I doubt I'm the only one.</end quote></div>















I also think sarcasm is pretty amusing also, but in the right situation, otherwise it is pathetic and childish.</end quote></div>















Oh Yeah? Well my daddy can beat up your daddy!!</end quote></div>



See - that is really childish.



Charlotte<img src=""></end quote></div>


I could have easily said "I know you are but what am I?" to get my tongue in cheek comment across, but why be so overly obvious? I felt the "My daddy can beat up your daddy" comment was strong enough to get my sarcastic sardonic point across, without going overkill in that area to make it visually blatantly obvious to even Hellen Keller level deficient individuals. I guess next time, to make my point even more apparent, I will go for the lowest common denominator.


In case you STILL don't get it before a second point needs to be made, on my behalf, just PM me and I will explain it to you.
 

Faust

New member
And concerning my last reply, i'd like to add a response option of "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me, sticks to you" as a possible option for that person to see the absolute absurdity of the perspective that I was taking. I'm still not sure they would see it though. I might need an actual hardline interface between their brain and my keyboard, to forcefully send my perspective to their frontal lobe.


Upon further reflection, I think you might have to actually move your mouses' pointer and highlight this link, and read further (because i'm too lazy to burn .002 calories on you and highlight the link in a proper format for you to just click it)


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4566319.stm
">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4566319.stm
</a>

Do you comprehend now?
 

Faust

New member
Well now it's in hyper link format, so you just need to click it. Please disregard the second part of my text explaining how to access that page.
 

anonymous

New member
As a mother to a newly diagnosed child with CF I was directed to this forum by the hospital we now have to visit with our baby for the rest of her life, as a place to find out important information about CF and talk to others about it. This is the first thread I have looked at as I was naturally interested in the question and upsetting as it is to even talk about it, I wanted to see how you adults were progressing with CF and perhaps had shared your experiences which would be useful to us.

What went wrong guys? I know this is an adult forum and I understand that there is a forum for parents, but I was genuinely interested in the topic as I'm sure many other parents of CF children would be.

I understand all your frustrations with life, but was it really necessary for such an argument to take place on this matter? It has upset me loads, and yes I am VERY sensitive at the moment before anyone thinks to have a go at me too. I have just been told that my gorgeous baby has an incurable life threatening illness, and will be lucky to reach 31. I am completely and utterly devastated. I would have liked to have heard about your experiences in an open and honest way without the sarcasm and insults, and how it has progressed with you to fully understand what we are dealing with.

I KNOW CF causes premature death, nobody needs to "sugercoat" that for me. I have cried my eyes out non-stop for the last 2 days since diagnosis because of that very fact. I am SO heartbroken. But we were told in the hospital that CF is different for everyone and hearing different experiences would have helped me understand more about this condition.

I hope other threads are not like this one as perhaps I have come to the wrong place for support.
 
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