cfers go (or should) to heaven

[luke]

To my recollection, the "prayer request" section was created for just that. That is probably why it is labeled as such and not ?religious section?. It begins to get old that every religious post meets resistance by the same few every time. I would recommend that if you don't want to view it then do not click on the thread, and certainly don't waste the time to respond on something you don't even believe in.

To answer the posted question, unfortunately physical suffering won't get us into heaven. Believing in the holy trinity and asking for forgiveness of your sins is the only way.

luke

 

[65rosessamurai]

Luke,
My suggestion for "religious section", instead of "Prayer Request", was to give that section a more broader meaning for those new on this forum. "Prayer Request", suggests "Prayers Only"; therefore, with that definition, someone who wishes to post something in this fashion wouldn't immediately catch that there is a more preferred location for such religious related context.
My understanding was, some people who do not wish to come across such religious topics in the "Adult", or other sections; were the ones who brought the suggestion up front. With having the "Prayer Request" as a new idea to the forum, I perceived that perhaps some revision may be necessary.
Of course, because this particular topic was presented in a "curious" manner, and was also relating to CF, it didn't seem offensive to those reading it (or at least to me).

Since I only suggested the revision, I was looking for "Yays" or "Nays" about the suggestion. So, any additional feedback regarding this would be benefical, and can be brought up with the Administrator, if need be.

Regards,
Fred

 

[Allie]

Luke, I really don't feel as if anyone attacked her...

I think most people just responded to what they thought about the question, and most merely happened to disagree.

 

[Lilith]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>luke</b></i><br>I would recommend that if you don't want to view it then do not click on the thread, and certainly don't waste the time to respond on something you don't even believe in.<hr></blockquote>

Never said I didn't want to view it, I just felt (like many people) that this topic should have been posted in the more religious section of the site. I agree with 65rosessamurai, the Prayer section needs to be renamed. And just because I don't completely believe in God doesn't mean I can't share my opinion on the subject.

 

[Emily65Roses]

I was the first one to mention it being elsewhere... and if you perceive " Just a mild suggestion. Next time, a topic like this might do better in the religious section of the forum" as an attack, then I believe you have problems.

 

[luke]

Emily,

Rest assured, I do not have "problems". Since I have gotten more sick I am depending a lot more on my faith and have decided that I need to me more supportive of God while asking him to be supportive of me. So I will stand up for him when I think someone is trying to ban in to a corner on this web site. I will forever respond to comments that want to relegate him to a closed forum. I would ask you to keep in mind that 95% of the world believes in some sort of God and you are the minority here, not us. You and a few other atheists or agonistic folks just happen to be more vocal, so I will be vocal for god in those circumstances.

have a nice day


luke

 

[Lilith]

<blockquote>Quote
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>luke</b></i>
I would ask you to keep in mind that 95% of the world believes in some sort of God and you are the minority here, not us.<hr></blockquote>

How did I know someone was going to turn this into another debate? Yes, you obviously DO have some SERIOUS problems...the fact that you would have the nerve to post something like that on a topic which wasn't bashing or flaming anyone makes me sick. Just because you believe in God you're better than the other "5%" as you call us? Ohhhhh....man, I would have two very nasty words for you right now, but I'm not so stupid as to get kicked off of the forum so let me say this; get off your freakin' high horse. No one was bashing anyone here, or your god for that matter, YOU are the one that started this mess. Yet you feel it perfectly justified to flame people who don't believe what you do...hmmm, isn't this how wars are started?! Smart move... It's fine to need God for guidance, and yes, I believe in standing up for what you believe in, but NO ONE was bashing your religion so get off it.

 

[Emily65Roses]

<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>luke</b></i><br>Emily,
I would ask you to keep in mind that 95% of the world believes in some sort of God and you are the minority here, not us. <hr></blockquote>

I would first of all, like to know where you got that statistic, because unless you can back it up, I think it's crap. I realize athiests are indeed the minority, but I'm not liable to believe that it's by *that* large a margin unless you can show me where you got that.

And since you're asking me to keep crap in mind, I would like you to keep in mind that just because we're the minority doesn't mean you can crap on us when you feel like it. I'm sure you wouldn't pick arguments with Africans or Mexicans or Asians just because they're the minority? Same principle applies here, thank you. And Lilith is right, I wasn't attacking a damn thing. I was very polite when I made the *suggestion* that it might *do better* elsewhere.

 

[luke]

Emily,

My statistic was from a philosophy class I had several years ago in undergrad. It seems as though that number has changed a bit and is closer to 85%. It is all over the net, just look it up. As for the minority comment....not quite apples to apples now is it. My point is simply that the majority of people on this site use their spirituality to help deal with this disease and therefore their comments should be welcomed in any section of this forum. Nothing else should be read into other than that.

Lilith,

I read your post and will not respond but to say you seem to have taken it personally, and for that I am sorry.

have a nice evening

luke

 

[Emily65Roses]

And nothing more should be read into what I said, given it was a very polite suggestion. If you want me to just be outright rude next time I am 100% capable of doing that. It's certainly not a problem. But I thought I'd be courteous and polite. How silly of me.

Lucky for the rest of the people on this site that I'm not going to take your opinion on it and change how I act from that. I'm going to still attempt to be respectful. I guess you'll just have to deal with that.

 

[anonymous]

OK OK OK.....enough! Please, I beg of everyone, stop this. I have NEVER asked for a subject to be locked, on any forum, but I am asking for THIS ONE to be locked. This subject is too "touchy". We, as a group, religious or not, are suppose to be here to support one another, not the opposite.

 

[LoveShines4Austin]

I forgot to log in again. That was me asking for this topic to be locked. I didn't want you to think I was hiding behind an anonymous name. Again, I beg, lock this topic and support one another on the subject of CYSTIC FIBROSIS. I guess I shall prepare for any "back lash" this post may sling my way. *sigh*

 

[anonymous]

In due course this topic will get locked. There are some on this forum who are so obviously easily incited, they have nothing better to do, than take issue aggressively. And if the cap fits.................

Truly a sad indictment on their unproductive lives. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">

 

[Lilith]

To the last anonymous poster;

If your post was referring to me...

Yes, I am easily inticed when I'm personally attacked for something I didn't do! And yes, I do have better things to do, I don't need you attempting to analyze my life when you don't even know who I am (especially from a cowerdice ANONYMOUS name). But I have a problem with religious people looking down on those who don't believe in God, especially when they've never said anything against Him. It's a major on my list of pet peevs. And I have a very productive life, thank you very much. Can the same be said for you?

If you weren't attacking me...

Sorry, but next time specifiy who you're flaming...

I agree with Laurel, this thread should be locked.

 

[anonymous]

This really dosen't need to turn into a religious debate. I don't believe in the holy trinity, I don't go to church, I don't read the bible, I don't believe that organized religion is the was in to whatever my eternity holds, if I even have one. That being said, you don't need to preach, or try to change peoples minds, or even tell them to take it somewhere else. Except, we're all different, believe in different things, and the place my immortal soul ends up dwelling isn't much of your business, get over it. As far as where to post, it... I'd like to tell you where to post it..... being there isn't a religious section, we should all be adult enough to discuss this with out it turning into an arguement, that wasn't even what the origional post was about, they just felt the odds were stacked against them, and needed to vent a little. That being said, and totally off the CF topic, onto the religious topic, my view is as follows:
I once thought organized religion could save me... You shouldn't judge other people based on the way the look or act. Being a member of a church, and acting in the way they tell you doesn't make you morally superior, it makes you a sheep. You are a sheep, doing what you are told, believing what you are told, thinking what you are told, and feeling what you are told without question. I accept you with all the choices you make that I think are wrong (very wrong) you should try to do that for me. Religion isn't about putting people down because they don't choose to live the life you have, it isn't about taking the higher road, it most definitely is not about excluding people because they make you uncomfortable or fearful because they are not labeled safe by whatever church it is you attend. I support you all in whatever endeavor you choose, even if it is sitting endless hours in a church to prove you love God. Keep in mind, Jesus taught acceptance and love, there is nothing loving or accepting in distancing yourself from people, and treating them as outcast from your church approved lifestyle. Maybe you should take some time to think about how you treat other people, what you choose is up to you, but I know I'm a good person and I try hard, I don't need to prove that to anyone in any church, youth group, or bible study. Think twice before you question me and what I choose to do, remember... We are all equal.

 

[Lilith]

I agree with you there, Q. People should be able to discuss whatever they want where they want without starting an argument. But, being it is a religious question, it probably should have been put in the more religious forum for better responses from more religious people. However, I did respond because I don't find religion itself to be a problem and was actually intrigued by the question. It didn't 'blindside' me. My problem came in when Luke hinted that perhaps because athiests and agnostics are the minority we're beneath religious people. THAT is what pissed me off, not the topic itself. My view of religion leans more towards the feelings of the last anonymous poster, but I'm not going to hate religious people or feel as if I'm better than them. I have a good friend who is VERY Christian (won't even celebrate Halloween!), and we get along very well without any confrontation. I feel that Luke was being hostile in his posts and I don't think it was called for in the least.

 

[ihatecf]

When I started this topic I made sure that not anyone gets offended and every person gives his opinion based on his own beliefs. Why should some impose themselves over others every time a religious topic comes on? It is very unfortunate that this topic is heading its way to be locked...

 

[luke]

I have re-read my posts and do not get where I was offense...but I am sorry that I offended anyone. Not very godly of me.

To anonymous that thinks that we are "unproductive". Let me see.... I run my companies business for the entire state; I have a new house, 2 new cars, 3 college degrees, and a beautiful wife who I am madly in love. I guess you are right, I am unproductive. But at least I am not so unproductive I have to stay anonymous.



Luke