Choline found deficient in cf people

Ender

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As the title said, choline was found to be deficient in cf people, and taking the stuff improved people's health.

These are the symptoms

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Just thought i would bring that out more in case people wanted to start trying this substance already available. The dose was 2 grams a day.

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Kiel
 

Ender

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It's basically needed for the creation of a pretty important neurotransmitter acetylcholine and the decrease of it over time can produce some of this sypmtoms stated above. It is an essential nutrient, and uptake is recieved by lipids (a possible reason for the deficiency)
 

anonymous

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Choline is part of the b complex family I believe
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Since I take a B complex daily, I am good to go. I can tell if I am under any stress I take an extra B vitamin.

I love Enzymatic therapy B complex from Fatique to Fantastic.

I was not sleeping well for a couple of nights and bought this vitamin and slept like a baby.
 

Scarlett81

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interesting. Lots of these symptoms are similar to those of depression, which I struggle with. So its hard to tell what it could be from. But I'm going to look into it more. Thanks.
 

EnergyGal

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Hi Christian

I am not sure if this was you but i think it was. You mentioned that you take Standard Process supplements. They make Choline it is called "Choline" I believe. They have funky names for all of their products. This helped me with my stomach and my mind when I took it.

My post in the middle that was anon was me. I forgot to log on. I like Enzymatic therapy B complex.
 

Scarlett81

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risa,

Yeah I'm the one who takes Standard Process-I haven't taken their Choline though. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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IG

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As I've said before it's best to consult your doctor regarding any of this stuff.
Kiel, question, are you going to take acetyl-CoA as well, just curious.

Regarding Acetylcholine which that list talked about:
<i>"Acetylcholine, often abbreviated as ACh, was the first neurotransmitter to be identified. It is a chemical transmitter in both the peripheral nervous system (PNS) and central nervous system (CNS) in many organisms including humans.

Acetylcholine is synthesized in certain neurons by the enzyme choline acetyltransferase from the compounds <b>choline</b> and <b>acetyl-CoA</b>. Organic mercurial compounds have a high affinity for sulfhydryl groups, which attributes to its effect on enzyme dysfunction of choline acetyl transferase. This inhibition may lead to acetylcholine deficiency, and can have consequences on motor function.

Normally, the enzyme acetylcholinesterase converts acetylcholine into the inactive metabolites choline and acetate. The devastating effects of nerve agents (in bioterrorism, Sarin gas for example) are due to their inhibition of this enzyme, resulting in continuous stimulation of the muscles, glands and central nervous system. Certain insecticides are effective because they inhibit this enzyme in insects. On the other hand, since a shortage of acetylcholine in the brain has been associated with Alzheimer's disease, some drugs that inhibit acetylcholinesterase are used in the treatment of that disease."</i>

Here are some pages for Choline:
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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cho_0283.shtml
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'The foods richest in phosphatidylcholine -- the major delivery form of <b>choline</b> -- are beef liver, egg yolks and soya. Beef liver, iceberg lettuce, peanut butter, peanuts, sunflower seeds, and cauliflower are some foods that contain free choline.'


Acetylcholine is synthesized basically by an enzyme made up of choline and acetyl-CoA. You get choline from a number of natural things in a healthy diet.

Now onto acetyl-CoA

<i>"it contributes an acetyl group to choline to produce acetylcholine, in a reaction catalysed by choline acetyltransferase. Its main task is conveying the carbon atoms within the acetyl group to the citric acid cycle to be oxidized for energy production.

Coenzyme A is very central to the balance between carbohydrate metabolism and fat metabolism. Normally, acetyl-CoA from fatty acid metabolism feeds into the citric acid cycle, contributing to the cell's energy supply. In the liver, when levels of circulating fatty acids are high, the production of acetyl-CoA from fat breakdown exceeds the cellular energy requirements. To make use of the energy available from the excess acetyl-CoA, ketone bodies are produced which can then circulate in the blood.

In some circumstances this can lead to an excess of ketone bodies in the blood, a condition known as ketosis. This can occur in diabetes, starvation or in people following low-carbohydrate diets, all of which can cause fats to be metabolised as a major source of energy."</i>
 
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