Incomudrox
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Generally speaking I eat mainly rice chicken breasts or pork shoulder, and some kind of green veggie. In some variation or another. I eat yogurt on occasion. You might say I eat somewhat of a Vietnamese style diet.
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Constant hunger, bloating...help!
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Incomudrox
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Generally speaking I eat mainly rice chicken breasts or pork shoulder, and some kind of green veggie. In some variation or another. I eat yogurt on occasion. You might say I eat somewhat of a Vietnamese style diet.
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I will write more later when I have a little more time. I do want to say that I know that it is ranked quite low in the "diet" world and that is, I believe, due to a lot of misunderstanding of what this lifestyle is. I don't find it hard to stick to at all since I can now listen to my body when I eat something I shouldn't (and by shouldn't I don't mean diet wise I mean I can feel my body reacting). I also think that once someone researches and learns about why you should or shouldn't eat something they become more accepting. Telling a diabetic they shouldn't eat sugar isn't going to do sqaut until they are educated about WHY they shouldn't eat sugar and what it does to their body - and I think the more detail the better. The book Wheatbelly by Dr. Davis does a good job destroying wheat's reputation and I highly recommend it. I am highly distrustful in what the goverment tells us to eat. Study after study is refuting their food pyramid (or plate now) yet they refuse to acknowledge it. They will never admit they were wrong - food lobbies are way too powerful. I disagree that hunter gatherers were mostly frugavores. See <a href="http://tinyurl.com/8yjb5ac">http://tinyurl.com/8yjb5ac</a> for a detailed analysis of likely macronutrient intake. The paper estimates that they received >50% of their energy from animal foods. And the % increased the higher the latitude. Dr. Weston Price did a lot of research into dental problems and health and as societies switched to western diets (ie lots of grain and sugar) they started getting lots of dental caries and had orthodontic problems (teeth crowding, etc) that they never had when on their native diet. As for living long enough to have heart disease and osteoporosis - I also don't believe that to be true. See this abstract: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3135745">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3135745</a> and this article: <a href="http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/2/295">http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/2/295</a>.short I will also argue that the phytic acid found in grain is a big contributor to osteoporosis as it is an "anti-nutrient" and prevents the absorption of vital minerals like calcium and iron. We can eat as much of it as we can tolerate but if we aren't absorbing it, it does no good. Dinner is ready. gotta run. Sorry to the OP for turning this off topic but I just can't not respond about something I feel passionately about <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
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Keepercjr
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I will write more later when I have a little more time. I do want to say that I know that it is ranked quite low in the "diet" world and that is, I believe, due to a lot of misunderstanding of what this lifestyle is. I don't find it hard to stick to at all since I can now listen to my body when I eat something I shouldn't (and by shouldn't I don't mean diet wise I mean I can feel my body reacting). I also think that once someone researches and learns about why you should or shouldn't eat something they become more accepting. Telling a diabetic they shouldn't eat sugar isn't going to do sqaut until they are educated about WHY they shouldn't eat sugar and what it does to their body - and I think the more detail the better. The book Wheatbelly by Dr. Davis does a good job destroying wheat's reputation and I highly recommend it. I am highly distrustful in what the goverment tells us to eat. Study after study is refuting their food pyramid (or plate now) yet they refuse to acknowledge it. They will never admit they were wrong - food lobbies are way too powerful. I disagree that hunter gatherers were mostly frugavores. See <a href="http://tinyurl.com/8yjb5ac">http://tinyurl.com/8yjb5ac</a> for a detailed analysis of likely macronutrient intake. The paper estimates that they received >50% of their energy from animal foods. And the % increased the higher the latitude. Dr. Weston Price did a lot of research into dental problems and health and as societies switched to western diets (ie lots of grain and sugar) they started getting lots of dental caries and had orthodontic problems (teeth crowding, etc) that they never had when on their native diet. As for living long enough to have heart disease and osteoporosis - I also don't believe that to be true. See this abstract: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3135745">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3135745</a> and this article: <a href="http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/2/295">http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/2/295</a>.short I will also argue that the phytic acid found in grain is a big contributor to osteoporosis as it is an "anti-nutrient" and prevents the absorption of vital minerals like calcium and iron. We can eat as much of it as we can tolerate but if we aren't absorbing it, it does no good. Dinner is ready. gotta run. Sorry to the OP for turning this off topic but I just can't not respond about something I feel passionately about <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
Sorry AH, I confused you with Cesco.
I'll have a look at the studies you cited, Caroline. Unfortunately this weekend is very busy for me. I will say that in the research I have looked at there's a very wide spectrum on the topic of nutrition and not a hint of consensus among experts, both here and abroad. I can point to evidence that contradicts points that you have made, however I am too tired to put any effort into it now. Furthermore, the both of us are only regurgitating various viewpoints taken from the multitude of opinions from anthropology and nutrition science. I certainly am not an authority on the subject and can only say that for myself, a moderate diet seems to be working very well as I have fantastic lung function, no chronic productive cough and a healthy BMI. I assume this probably is the case for many people and only a few require (or simply prefer) a more specialized diet.
I'll have a look at the studies you cited, Caroline. Unfortunately this weekend is very busy for me. I will say that in the research I have looked at there's a very wide spectrum on the topic of nutrition and not a hint of consensus among experts, both here and abroad. I can point to evidence that contradicts points that you have made, however I am too tired to put any effort into it now. Furthermore, the both of us are only regurgitating various viewpoints taken from the multitude of opinions from anthropology and nutrition science. I certainly am not an authority on the subject and can only say that for myself, a moderate diet seems to be working very well as I have fantastic lung function, no chronic productive cough and a healthy BMI. I assume this probably is the case for many people and only a few require (or simply prefer) a more specialized diet.
Sorry AH, I confused you with Cesco.
I'll have a look at the studies you cited, Caroline. Unfortunately this weekend is very busy for me. I will say that in the research I have looked at there's a very wide spectrum on the topic of nutrition and not a hint of consensus among experts, both here and abroad. I can point to evidence that contradicts points that you have made, however I am too tired to put any effort into it now. Furthermore, the both of us are only regurgitating various viewpoints taken from the multitude of opinions from anthropology and nutrition science. I certainly am not an authority on the subject and can only say that for myself, a moderate diet seems to be working very well as I have fantastic lung function, no chronic productive cough and a healthy BMI. I assume this probably is the case for many people and only a few require (or simply prefer) a more specialized diet.
I'll have a look at the studies you cited, Caroline. Unfortunately this weekend is very busy for me. I will say that in the research I have looked at there's a very wide spectrum on the topic of nutrition and not a hint of consensus among experts, both here and abroad. I can point to evidence that contradicts points that you have made, however I am too tired to put any effort into it now. Furthermore, the both of us are only regurgitating various viewpoints taken from the multitude of opinions from anthropology and nutrition science. I certainly am not an authority on the subject and can only say that for myself, a moderate diet seems to be working very well as I have fantastic lung function, no chronic productive cough and a healthy BMI. I assume this probably is the case for many people and only a few require (or simply prefer) a more specialized diet.
Keep at mind that any person in different, and any CFer is different. Some may eat normally without problems. I couldn't. I didn't give up on all the food I enjoyed because I'm mentally unhealthy (!) but because it did make me feel better.
My "chicken-rice-yogurt" diet surely is not balanced. Yet it doesn't mean it is "bad". I am still followed by my doctors, and my BMI is almost perfect, my lung function is stable in the 80s, and I feel better.
Something that, I am absolutely sure, would be different if I would be on a balanced diet.
Surely I could eat more veggies or fish, but I simply don't like that. Yet it's now been months I've been going on like this, my weight is stable, I am not malnutrited and my health, physically, improved. As for my mental health, while stressing, I carry on because should I stop it, I would feel way more sick than I do now. At this point I just can't step back, it would be masochism.
I perfectly udnerstand the point of those who can eat fine and be good with that, just try to understand that not everyone is this lucky. Not for that you should judge in such ways, in my humble opinion. I already fight with my doctors about my diet, and yet I have a simple, effective fact on my side: I feel better (much less mucus production, and I mean very little to none), I have less CF episodes of any kind, and my nutritions values, my look and my BMI are fine. I even managed to put up some muscles with just rice and chicken.
This said, if ever will come out an effective Vertex drug for me as well and it will fix my guts, I'll be extremely glad to be back on a normal diet.
My "chicken-rice-yogurt" diet surely is not balanced. Yet it doesn't mean it is "bad". I am still followed by my doctors, and my BMI is almost perfect, my lung function is stable in the 80s, and I feel better.
Something that, I am absolutely sure, would be different if I would be on a balanced diet.
Surely I could eat more veggies or fish, but I simply don't like that. Yet it's now been months I've been going on like this, my weight is stable, I am not malnutrited and my health, physically, improved. As for my mental health, while stressing, I carry on because should I stop it, I would feel way more sick than I do now. At this point I just can't step back, it would be masochism.
I perfectly udnerstand the point of those who can eat fine and be good with that, just try to understand that not everyone is this lucky. Not for that you should judge in such ways, in my humble opinion. I already fight with my doctors about my diet, and yet I have a simple, effective fact on my side: I feel better (much less mucus production, and I mean very little to none), I have less CF episodes of any kind, and my nutritions values, my look and my BMI are fine. I even managed to put up some muscles with just rice and chicken.
This said, if ever will come out an effective Vertex drug for me as well and it will fix my guts, I'll be extremely glad to be back on a normal diet.
Keep at mind that any person in different, and any CFer is different. Some may eat normally without problems. I couldn't. I didn't give up on all the food I enjoyed because I'm mentally unhealthy (!) but because it did make me feel better.
My "chicken-rice-yogurt" diet surely is not balanced. Yet it doesn't mean it is "bad". I am still followed by my doctors, and my BMI is almost perfect, my lung function is stable in the 80s, and I feel better.
Something that, I am absolutely sure, would be different if I would be on a balanced diet.
Surely I could eat more veggies or fish, but I simply don't like that. Yet it's now been months I've been going on like this, my weight is stable, I am not malnutrited and my health, physically, improved. As for my mental health, while stressing, I carry on because should I stop it, I would feel way more sick than I do now. At this point I just can't step back, it would be masochism.
I perfectly udnerstand the point of those who can eat fine and be good with that, just try to understand that not everyone is this lucky. Not for that you should judge in such ways, in my humble opinion. I already fight with my doctors about my diet, and yet I have a simple, effective fact on my side: I feel better (much less mucus production, and I mean very little to none), I have less CF episodes of any kind, and my nutritions values, my look and my BMI are fine. I even managed to put up some muscles with just rice and chicken.
This said, if ever will come out an effective Vertex drug for me as well and it will fix my guts, I'll be extremely glad to be back on a normal diet.
My "chicken-rice-yogurt" diet surely is not balanced. Yet it doesn't mean it is "bad". I am still followed by my doctors, and my BMI is almost perfect, my lung function is stable in the 80s, and I feel better.
Something that, I am absolutely sure, would be different if I would be on a balanced diet.
Surely I could eat more veggies or fish, but I simply don't like that. Yet it's now been months I've been going on like this, my weight is stable, I am not malnutrited and my health, physically, improved. As for my mental health, while stressing, I carry on because should I stop it, I would feel way more sick than I do now. At this point I just can't step back, it would be masochism.
I perfectly udnerstand the point of those who can eat fine and be good with that, just try to understand that not everyone is this lucky. Not for that you should judge in such ways, in my humble opinion. I already fight with my doctors about my diet, and yet I have a simple, effective fact on my side: I feel better (much less mucus production, and I mean very little to none), I have less CF episodes of any kind, and my nutritions values, my look and my BMI are fine. I even managed to put up some muscles with just rice and chicken.
This said, if ever will come out an effective Vertex drug for me as well and it will fix my guts, I'll be extremely glad to be back on a normal diet.
To Cesco: I want to apologize; when I said I didn't think your diet was healthy "mentally," I didn't mean to imply that you somehow had psychological problems. I only meant that it must be pretty difficult and exhausting keeping up with such a strict diet. I know everyone's body is different, so I'm sorry if I came off as too judgmental.
To Cesco: I want to apologize; when I said I didn't think your diet was healthy "mentally," I didn't mean to imply that you somehow had psychological problems. I only meant that it must be pretty difficult and exhausting keeping up with such a strict diet. I know everyone's body is different, so I'm sorry if I came off as too judgmental.