Ever wanna punch a doctor?

Faust

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Ok so I went to go get my physical at the doctors walk in clinic (I'm sure the top percentile medical students all work there lol). Quick, easy, get it out of the way. Well anyways I have this stoner chick that takes my weight, eye test, temp, and BP. She seemed like she JUST got done smoking a huge fatty out back...Either that or she was functioning on 30 mins sleep for 3 days, or she just had the IQ of a turnip. She was kind of cute though and wore her outfit quite nice, so I didn't mind <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> (obligatory pig comment)


Anyways back to my point...She takes my BP and my BP is quite high, 158/100. She says wow thats high, we will retake it in a bit. I tell her that I have "White coat syndrome", and when I test my BP at home on the portable digital cuff (with new batteries), or at the grocery store (granted that is less reliable) i'm always in the 120's - 130's range, with a fairly low diastolic of in the 70's or low 80's. She of course looks at me like i'm full of BS.


So anyways, the doc comes in. Now I of course don't know anything about him besides his name, and i'm not judging him, but sometimes when someone in a particular field seems to totally disregard something YOU know about (and you aren't even in that field), and blows it off, it makes you wonder about them. The doc gave me the typical "Wow you have real high BP". I told him that every time I go into see any doc, my BP is real high, and that's for my pulmonologist/CF doc, or my regular general practicioner. I told him that at home, on the cuff, or in the grocery store, 3-6 readings over a period of time (how you are supposed to get a baseline anyways, not just once from a clinic visit when you are being poked and prodded), I average high 120's - 130's, with a low diastolic, usually in the 70's.

He looked at me like I was feeding him complete BS. I told him that both my other two docs told me that I probably have white coat syndrome, where my BP spikes when i come into the clinic. I could be very mellow and happy, but still have the high BP only in their clinic. And on this particular day, and I have no idea why because I know i'm healthy, I was very nervous, and could feel my pulse going and could feel my BP climbing. It was obviously stress/psychological.

He got kind of condescending with me with his tone (like i'm an idiot and have never studied psychosomatia or anything to do with the human body or mind) even though I was pleasant with him in my explanation. He said that there was no such thing as white coat syndrome, and it was made up by "Laymen" and whoever told me it was real was full of bs (One of the best CF docs around, and a very cool good general doc that I see, not to mention tons of documentation on it on the net).

I wasn't in the mood to argue, I was very tired, nervous for some reason, and I was starting to get in a violent mood for some reason. Ever see the movie Falling Down? Where Michael Douglas just starts to lose it and go postal? I was starting to feel a similar feeling creep up. I saw myself wanting to punch this bozo, so I just sighed and he told me to lay back and he started the man handling.

He said I was fine, with the exception for my BP, and that I had blood in my urine. The blood was microscopic, but it was there. I have had this show up in my urine before, and yes before I was on OO (for those waiting for more ammo), so no big deal with that. He said he wasn't going to flunk me, but I should get it all checked out.


So guess what? After running around the block of all things, I check it. It's 132/79. Later on after laughing a good deal and walking around the house, it's 131/77. I check it again before bed, it's still in that ballpark. No spikes at all. Also in case you guys didn't know but could relate, I think my "White coat syndrome" goes quite a step further. When I was very young and they were trying to diagnose me (before the age of 3), they did all kinds of EXTREMELY painful biopsies on me, all the time (bone, tissue, you name it). My mom said I would scream bloody murder for hours on end, and recite every family members name, and even our pets to please come and help me..."WWWWAAAAHHHH MOMMY, DADDY, MARKY, PAMMY, PATSY (our dog), NEEDLES (our cat), PLEASE HELP ME, MAKE IT STOP...(then start all over again from the top)". She said that anytime after those run ins, if anyone wearing white came in the room (back then all the docs and nurses wore white) I would shake like an abused dog and cringe behind her and put a kung fu grip on her and it would take several of them to get me off of her. I was absolutely petrified.


So this absolute gumbah of a doctor is basically telling me that although i'm not overweight, and I work out, and I have proven long term readings stating that I don't have high BP, that there is no way for psychological issues/white coat syndrome to affect my BP when I go into the doctors office?

You should be able to punch some people just because of their lack of knowlege/hardheadedness.
 

Lurking4now

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WHat an @ss.  I've been told from the time that I was young
that when you get nervous, your bp can be affected and go up.
 In fact, it happened last week at the OB.  I can't
believe that he has never heard of that- is he really one of those
really old school docs who just don't believe in all this stuff or
just really dumb?
 

anonymous

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Friend of mine heads the radiology dept. at a hospital in his city and every time they get a new piece of equipment, someone on their staff tests it out. Last time it was his turn, he had to be sedated 'cuz he suffers from "white coat syndrome".

I've got the same problem. I'm always getting nagged at for having high bp at the clinic, but check it at home. I'm calm, cool and it's wayyyy low.

Liza
 

Faust

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lurking4now</b></i>

WHat an @ss. I've been told from the time that I was young
that when you get nervous, your bp can be affected and go up.
In fact, it happened last week at the OB. I can't
believe that he has never heard of that- is he really one of those
really old school docs who just don't believe in all this stuff or
just really dumb?</end quote></div>


Who knows. He had gray hair but didn't appear extremely old. I should have transmitted my high BP over to him: Punch him, he goes down, I lock the door, I have a sick grin on my face...I start to take off my pants and say "Ya know, now would be a good time to find out if that whole HIV thing they tell me about is in my head too". heh
 

anonymous

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That is very sick<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif" border="0"><img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif" border="0">
 

thelizardqueen

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I hate those doctors that seem to think they know a h*ll of a lot more then you when it comes to your health, simply because they have a degree in medicine. I know for normal people who don't deal with docs all the time, or have some sort of medical knowledge, that's all fine and dandy, but please - as CFer's we know the lingo, etc. Some doctors seem to think that because they have a degree they sh*t gold or something. Please.
 

Emily65Roses

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I will not tolerate docs like that. Why did you see this guy? Sounds like you've never seen him before. Try somebody else? I know that's not always an option (especially for people who live hours away from CF centers)...

I myself have refused to see docs because of their rudeness, thinking I was stupid or full of sh*t too. When I was about 12 (which was the funniest part... I was only 12 ahahaha), I saw this one woman about 2-3 times. Then I told the clinic I would NOT see her anymore. She was always asking about my peepee and poopoo (Hello, I'm effing 12!). She also had a nasty tendency of talking straight over my head, asking my mom how I was. I remember at least once, my mom actually said "She's right there, ask her yourself." It made me laugh, because my mom, a 40-some-odd year old woman, said it to this licensed medical professional with such a DUH attitude.

People in my clinic learned fairly early on that if I refused to see someone, there was no way they were going to change my mind. Even as young as 12 (and probably younger). I refuse to take sh*t from people, even "professionals" who "know better" than me. So they made no arguments, wrote it in my chart or whatever, and switched me.
 

anonymous

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The white coat syndrome sounds way to familiar, lol. Shortly after my boys were diagnosed until about the age of 7, all Drs that visited their room while in hospital had to remove their coats when entering.....seriously! The twins would freeak out so bad and it would take forever to calm them back down again. Come to think of it, the only other thing they ever freaked out at was clowns, rofl. Makes ya wonder..........
Mel
 

Scarlett81

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Sorry you had to deal with that. Yes I have wanted to punch a doctor before. Actually I am VERY ticklish. And once at the chiropractor, the doctor was adjusting my foot and it hurt/tickled so bad I kicked him in the mouth. Hard unfortunately. His lip bled.

Let me ask you this, do you have to go to a walk in clinic? I mean-everyone knows sometimes you get the bottom of the barrel there. Sucks doesn't it?<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">
 

Ender

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I am the same way...

In fact sometimes i take it to the extreme. I used to be very open with talking to people about things...and being informative...and giving my opinion.s However, it seemed like either no one really believed me, or they didn't take me seriously cause i look so young/just foolish.

Now I'm the exact opposite, at least in person. I go out of my way to make myself look retarded. I figured, as long as I realize my capabilities...and strive to learn more....it's not worth arguing with other people over it.

I dunno man, I hate people that think they are so intelligent, and will argue till death's end about a point that you know is right, yes that can't seem to give up. One sign of intelligence is being open to other people's thoughts...and not being so stuck up on your own.

Whenever i go to the docs, my heart beat races....like up to 100-120...when it's normall 75-85, mostly because hospitals freak me out. I don't know why it happens, it just does. It's definately real....

Kiel
 

Ender

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ya socrates was awesome...he wouldn't acually make any statements...he would just question other people's arguments until they saw their own falacies...

he was definately a man of riddles...
 
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65rosessamurai

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I don't recall hearing of "white coat syndrome", but it sounds like a good name to the same feeling I get--esp at the dentist, but they're not checking my BP. It definitely sounds like it came from something that was dramatized. I also had developed the same thing, after being an experimental "pin-cushion" once, for a newly trained nurse, trying to start an IV (after the 9th time, already)!
I'll want to ask my sister, the PA, about that, and in regards to how patients who are pretty familar with their health are listened to, as compared to those patients who are ignorant about it, and just want to boast about themselves.
I think my sister is responsive to her patients needs. I can tell by the way she genuinely helps with friends, etc., when I came to visit a few times. Though she's told me some good stories about patients who seem to indicate they are intimidated by female doctors. This one case, was about this guy who was giving my sister a hard time about what his opinions were, but his wife was rolling her eyes every time he'd say something. The patients wife was filled with glee, when my sister finally made a comment to put the guy in his place.
It's possible, doctors see some of this from everywhere, and are not as "in tune" to the people they see, so probably have this pre-notion that everyone is full of BS, because they cannot see the difference.
Fortunately, it's not doctors that I've been wanting to punch!! I had been targeting more towards stupid bosses!!
One thought, though. Based on how my sister indicated that the doctors are "the boss", that, with proper wording to the doctor about your concerns, comments, without "threatening" their "status", "intellegence", "authority", or whatever you'd like to call it, might save the frustration of feeling them not listening to you.
 

teknogeek1300

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Hmmmm, wow..... Yeh assage is the best description for him. I know how you feel. I feel antsy even when I'm going to see my doctors. But then again I have a reason to worry, because all they do it bitch at me <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">. Sometimes I like to go outside and yell "OWNED" then I prove people wrong. Kind of a gamer thing <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

Brad

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I have ran into Med students like that,

they think because thay have been to school they know it all.....
thay have read a paper on Cf and they think they are experts and those
who have lived with it for years knoe nothing about it.

I know what you mean, my BP is up sometimes when I first go in the Docs office, I have been seeing him for 18 years now so he checks it again after I am there for a half hour or so ,,, always 110/69.......
I am glad the A** you saw today is not Your full time Doc,,
Sadly though he IS some ones Only Doc,,,,,
 

anonymous

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A couple of the doctors at the local CF clinic where we take DS drive me nuts. One is apparently threatened by the CF doctor we see in the city and apparently doesn't like to see us confident when it comes to DS's health. We're all supposed to be these helpless, scared parents of very sick children. And it's almost as if they're surprised, upset that DS usually appears to be in pretty good health --- good weight, no cough...

Last time, I made some joke when he was looking up DS's nose and he yelled that there were polyps up there. To this day DS is polyp free. Feel he was trying to scare me. Last clinic appointment, since they were doing all his blood work, I asked about a Factor 2 test, that was recommended by the doctor in the City to determine if there were any liver function problems. Since they were doing labs, why have blood taken again in a couple months at the other clinic if they diddn't need to... This time the gastro doctor, MOCKED me -- mimicked "factor 2?" "factor 2"? "That's ridiculous -- I've never HEARD of using that test for that purpose?" There are other tests and if DS had signs of liver problems, we'd put him on actigall... Errr, He IS on actigall you f--ing moron. Grrr!

So last week, I requested the doctors notes and cultures from that appointment and apparently rather than discussing DS's health, the basically talked about the "confusion with dealing with two different CF clinics" and that maybe they should discuss with the parents about them NOT attending the CF clinic in the city. The one where we feel we get fairly good -- proactive care.

Liza
 
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