Has anyone ever heard of GSH caps?

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JRPandTJP

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Sue if you go here <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cfnutrition4life.com/cfnu/articles.php?cat_id=4">http://www.cfnutrition4life.co.../articles.php?cat_id=4</a> I have links as well as the ones above. You just have to read everything you can get your hands on and compare. CFF was conducting oral and inhaled GSH studies last year...but no one seems to know what happened. They are conducting NAC trials as well so we will see if these get completed or not. I hope they complete trials in both as it would shed alot of light on the GSH factor of Cf pathology.

Amy, do you list NAC studies on your blog?
 
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NoExcuses

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No, Jody, but I should. I posted a link a few weeks ago with the results of the Dr. Moss/Stanford NAC trial.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16537378&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
Let me go look for it and I'll put it in my blog for further reference <img src=""> Thanks for the idea!

Oh yes, and there are comments about NAC vs. GSH on my doctor Warwick blog as well. I too wondered why people didn't just take GSH and why people were taking NAC.

"Glutathione is a combination of three amino acids: glutamate, cysteine, and glycine. Cysteine is the active amino acid in this molecule. NAC is a more stable form of cysteine because it has only an acetic acid group attached. NAC is more water soluble and is the most cost effective way to increase glutathione levels in the body. N-acetylecysteine in solution is sourer than glutathione but NAC comes in capsules.

"I recommend oral or aerosol n-acetylecysteine over oral of aerosol glutathione. I have used Mucomyst for aerosols for many years. I have been encouraging patients to expiment with oral NAC capsules. The cysteine amino acid part to both molecules provides the antioxident, antiinflammatory and mucolytic actions of both molecules."
 
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NoExcuses

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No, Jody, but I should. I posted a link a few weeks ago with the results of the Dr. Moss/Stanford NAC trial.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16537378&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
Let me go look for it and I'll put it in my blog for further reference <img src=""> Thanks for the idea!

Oh yes, and there are comments about NAC vs. GSH on my doctor Warwick blog as well. I too wondered why people didn't just take GSH and why people were taking NAC.

"Glutathione is a combination of three amino acids: glutamate, cysteine, and glycine. Cysteine is the active amino acid in this molecule. NAC is a more stable form of cysteine because it has only an acetic acid group attached. NAC is more water soluble and is the most cost effective way to increase glutathione levels in the body. N-acetylecysteine in solution is sourer than glutathione but NAC comes in capsules.

"I recommend oral or aerosol n-acetylecysteine over oral of aerosol glutathione. I have used Mucomyst for aerosols for many years. I have been encouraging patients to expiment with oral NAC capsules. The cysteine amino acid part to both molecules provides the antioxident, antiinflammatory and mucolytic actions of both molecules."
 
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NoExcuses

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No, Jody, but I should. I posted a link a few weeks ago with the results of the Dr. Moss/Stanford NAC trial.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16537378&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
Let me go look for it and I'll put it in my blog for further reference <img src=""> Thanks for the idea!

Oh yes, and there are comments about NAC vs. GSH on my doctor Warwick blog as well. I too wondered why people didn't just take GSH and why people were taking NAC.

"Glutathione is a combination of three amino acids: glutamate, cysteine, and glycine. Cysteine is the active amino acid in this molecule. NAC is a more stable form of cysteine because it has only an acetic acid group attached. NAC is more water soluble and is the most cost effective way to increase glutathione levels in the body. N-acetylecysteine in solution is sourer than glutathione but NAC comes in capsules.

"I recommend oral or aerosol n-acetylecysteine over oral of aerosol glutathione. I have used Mucomyst for aerosols for many years. I have been encouraging patients to expiment with oral NAC capsules. The cysteine amino acid part to both molecules provides the antioxident, antiinflammatory and mucolytic actions of both molecules."
 
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Diane

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Thank you Risa <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">for making the post about checking links after you edit a post . I am re-posting my links now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/glutathione.htm
">http://members.tripod.com/uvic...earch/glutathione.htm
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=bottomsearchbox.%2Faol%2Fjsp%2Fsearch.jsp&query=glutathione+and+cystic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
">http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/s...tic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
</a>
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Diane

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Thank you Risa <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">for making the post about checking links after you edit a post . I am re-posting my links now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/glutathione.htm
">http://members.tripod.com/uvic...earch/glutathione.htm
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=bottomsearchbox.%2Faol%2Fjsp%2Fsearch.jsp&query=glutathione+and+cystic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
">http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/s...tic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
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Diane

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Thank you Risa <img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">for making the post about checking links after you edit a post . I am re-posting my links now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/glutathione.htm
">http://members.tripod.com/uvic...earch/glutathione.htm
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=bottomsearchbox.%2Faol%2Fjsp%2Fsearch.jsp&query=glutathione+and+cystic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
">http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/s...tic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=bottomsearchbox.%2Faol%2Fjsp%2Fsearch.jsp&query=glutathione+and+cystic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7">http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/s...stic+fibrosis&x=30&y=7</a>
 
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Diane

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Here is the gsh and cf board....there is a discussion on there right at the top about the benefits of GSH vs. NAC. My best recommendation is to learn as much as you can about both, and then make a decision as to which YOU prefer. There are some who use both at the same time and some who prefer one over the other. Either way whichever you feel helps you best is the one for you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
</a>
 
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Diane

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Here is the gsh and cf board....there is a discussion on there right at the top about the benefits of GSH vs. NAC. My best recommendation is to learn as much as you can about both, and then make a decision as to which YOU prefer. There are some who use both at the same time and some who prefer one over the other. Either way whichever you feel helps you best is the one for you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
</a>
 
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Diane

New member
Here is the gsh and cf board....there is a discussion on there right at the top about the benefits of GSH vs. NAC. My best recommendation is to learn as much as you can about both, and then make a decision as to which YOU prefer. There are some who use both at the same time and some who prefer one over the other. Either way whichever you feel helps you best is the one for you <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/
</a>
 
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sam123

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While I think there may be a benift to NAC, I would air on the cautious side on dosing. The Stanford study sakasuka sites only had 18 CF patients in it. Extremely large amounts of cysteine, the amino acid from which NAC is derived, may be toxic to nerve cells in rats.
NAC may increase urinary zinc excretion.16 Therefore, supplemental zinc and copper should be added when supplementing with NAC for extended periods.

On a side not, if u have a cocaine problem, NAC maybe should be your new drug of choice : New Approach Holds Promise For Reducing Cocaine Craving
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cocaine.org/n-acetylcysteine/index.html
">http://www.cocaine.org/n-acety...eine/index.html
</a>
 
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sam123

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While I think there may be a benift to NAC, I would air on the cautious side on dosing. The Stanford study sakasuka sites only had 18 CF patients in it. Extremely large amounts of cysteine, the amino acid from which NAC is derived, may be toxic to nerve cells in rats.
NAC may increase urinary zinc excretion.16 Therefore, supplemental zinc and copper should be added when supplementing with NAC for extended periods.

On a side not, if u have a cocaine problem, NAC maybe should be your new drug of choice : New Approach Holds Promise For Reducing Cocaine Craving
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cocaine.org/n-acetylcysteine/index.html
">http://www.cocaine.org/n-acety...eine/index.html
</a>
 
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sam123

New member
While I think there may be a benift to NAC, I would air on the cautious side on dosing. The Stanford study sakasuka sites only had 18 CF patients in it. Extremely large amounts of cysteine, the amino acid from which NAC is derived, may be toxic to nerve cells in rats.
NAC may increase urinary zinc excretion.16 Therefore, supplemental zinc and copper should be added when supplementing with NAC for extended periods.

On a side not, if u have a cocaine problem, NAC maybe should be your new drug of choice : New Approach Holds Promise For Reducing Cocaine Craving
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.cocaine.org/n-acetylcysteine/index.html
">http://www.cocaine.org/n-acety...eine/index.html
</a>
 
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JRPandTJP

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Amy, I will post them permenently on my site as well for easy reference. I have the Standford one up there and am putting some more of the links I have. I'll check your blog in the next couple days.

I still have to say how great it has been to have the Warwick stuff available. I have returned to it several times and plan to use some of his research/thought in discussing our approach with my son to his CF docs. Thanks for doing it ;-)
 
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JRPandTJP

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Amy, I will post them permenently on my site as well for easy reference. I have the Standford one up there and am putting some more of the links I have. I'll check your blog in the next couple days.

I still have to say how great it has been to have the Warwick stuff available. I have returned to it several times and plan to use some of his research/thought in discussing our approach with my son to his CF docs. Thanks for doing it ;-)
 
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JRPandTJP

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Amy, I will post them permenently on my site as well for easy reference. I have the Standford one up there and am putting some more of the links I have. I'll check your blog in the next couple days.

I still have to say how great it has been to have the Warwick stuff available. I have returned to it several times and plan to use some of his research/thought in discussing our approach with my son to his CF docs. Thanks for doing it ;-)
 
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NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>JRPandTJP</b></i>


I still have to say how great it has been to have the Warwick stuff available. I have returned to it several times and plan to use some of his research/thought in discussing our approach with my son to his CF docs. Thanks for doing it ;-)</end quote></div>


glad to hear that it's helpful.

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