How long is boiled water sterile?

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NoExcuses

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
</a>
at the bottom of the 2nd page, Foundation Care recommends referring to the CFF guidelines entitled "Stopping the Spread of Germs."

That link is above....
 
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NoExcuses

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
</a>
at the bottom of the 2nd page, Foundation Care recommends referring to the CFF guidelines entitled "Stopping the Spread of Germs."

That link is above....
 
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NoExcuses

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eflow-1.pdf
</a>
at the bottom of the 2nd page, Foundation Care recommends referring to the CFF guidelines entitled "Stopping the Spread of Germs."

That link is above....
 
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jfarel

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Amy,

I read the article you posted. Actually I read it before and because it didn't say "How often to boil," I didn't cite it. What it does say upon closer reading, is that you should ask you're doctor or respitory care physician how often to disinfect or clean. Also, it does say, to refer to the manufacturers guidlines. It actually says that a couple times.

So, I actually have never had anyone at my clinic tell me to boil every use. I've been boiling once a day for the past year or so. Prior to this year, the past 4 or 5 years, I've been boiling several times a week.

I think it is wrong for the cff not to give a definitive answer to this question. How hard can that be? Honestly, just come up with one standard so we know what to follow. I wonder how many people are only boiling 5 minutes because they only partially read that article you posted?

If this is such a serious issue, and I believe it is, it needs to be addressed at the cf conference next year.
 
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jfarel

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Amy,

I read the article you posted. Actually I read it before and because it didn't say "How often to boil," I didn't cite it. What it does say upon closer reading, is that you should ask you're doctor or respitory care physician how often to disinfect or clean. Also, it does say, to refer to the manufacturers guidlines. It actually says that a couple times.

So, I actually have never had anyone at my clinic tell me to boil every use. I've been boiling once a day for the past year or so. Prior to this year, the past 4 or 5 years, I've been boiling several times a week.

I think it is wrong for the cff not to give a definitive answer to this question. How hard can that be? Honestly, just come up with one standard so we know what to follow. I wonder how many people are only boiling 5 minutes because they only partially read that article you posted?

If this is such a serious issue, and I believe it is, it needs to be addressed at the cf conference next year.
 
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jfarel

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Amy,

I read the article you posted. Actually I read it before and because it didn't say "How often to boil," I didn't cite it. What it does say upon closer reading, is that you should ask you're doctor or respitory care physician how often to disinfect or clean. Also, it does say, to refer to the manufacturers guidlines. It actually says that a couple times.

So, I actually have never had anyone at my clinic tell me to boil every use. I've been boiling once a day for the past year or so. Prior to this year, the past 4 or 5 years, I've been boiling several times a week.

I think it is wrong for the cff not to give a definitive answer to this question. How hard can that be? Honestly, just come up with one standard so we know what to follow. I wonder how many people are only boiling 5 minutes because they only partially read that article you posted?

If this is such a serious issue, and I believe it is, it needs to be addressed at the cf conference next year.
 
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Chaggie

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In Repsiratory stopping the spread of germs part 3 of cleaning your respriratory equipment, states, <i><b>if the manufacturing instructions allow</b></i> disinfect the nebulizer using one of these options.

cleaning it is just cleaning it, it's the disinfection that is important.
 
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Chaggie

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In Repsiratory stopping the spread of germs part 3 of cleaning your respriratory equipment, states, <i><b>if the manufacturing instructions allow</b></i> disinfect the nebulizer using one of these options.

cleaning it is just cleaning it, it's the disinfection that is important.
 
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Chaggie

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In Repsiratory stopping the spread of germs part 3 of cleaning your respriratory equipment, states, <i><b>if the manufacturing instructions allow</b></i> disinfect the nebulizer using one of these options.

cleaning it is just cleaning it, it's the disinfection that is important.
 
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JazzysMom

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Jeanne (the administrator) has addressed this issue with at least Pari. The conflict between the manufacturers & the concerns of the CFF for CFers dont conincide......she is working on getting a coalition to accomodate the products themselves as well as the bacterial concerns for CFers.
 
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JazzysMom

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Jeanne (the administrator) has addressed this issue with at least Pari. The conflict between the manufacturers & the concerns of the CFF for CFers dont conincide......she is working on getting a coalition to accomodate the products themselves as well as the bacterial concerns for CFers.
 
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JazzysMom

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Jeanne (the administrator) has addressed this issue with at least Pari. The conflict between the manufacturers & the concerns of the CFF for CFers dont conincide......she is working on getting a coalition to accomodate the products themselves as well as the bacterial concerns for CFers.
 
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chantelfox

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?







Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>



thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>




just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.



i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.



there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.</end quote></div>

Amy~ Since you disinfect your nebs twice a day, can you share with me how you find the time? Everytime I go to disinfect all my nebs (I have 4-not including EFLow) it takes me 30 mintues. (My nebs and vest alone take me an hour). Pray tell....how do you do it and work a 40+ job? Do you do it how I do it? Soak in alcohol 5 min, then boil water for 15 min, let it cool, then rinse nebs and let dry on a paper towel. If there is some secret you know...let me know.
 
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chantelfox

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?







Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>



thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>




just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.



i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.



there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.</end quote></div>

Amy~ Since you disinfect your nebs twice a day, can you share with me how you find the time? Everytime I go to disinfect all my nebs (I have 4-not including EFLow) it takes me 30 mintues. (My nebs and vest alone take me an hour). Pray tell....how do you do it and work a 40+ job? Do you do it how I do it? Soak in alcohol 5 min, then boil water for 15 min, let it cool, then rinse nebs and let dry on a paper towel. If there is some secret you know...let me know.
 
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chantelfox

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



This is so frustrating. I just went to another website (foundcare.com) that provides the eflow and meds. This is not the pharmacy I received mine from, and their cleaning (sterilizing) method is different than the one I got from my pharmacy. Why can't they all give the same cleaning/sterlizing method?







Anyway, foundcare's method seems more accurate, detailed and possibly easier. So if you are interested check it out on their website.</end quote></div>



thanks for the idea. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
">http://foundcare.com/Documents/eFlow_Manual.pdf
</a>




just as the PARI instructions for cleaning regular nebs disagree with the CFF's guidelines for cleaning regular nebs, so do these eFlow instructions.



i'm sure the CFF will have something to say about these instructions as they did about PARI's instructions for cleaning traditional nebs.



there is no way in hell i would only disinfect my neb once a week. i disinfect my nebs right now after every use.</end quote></div>

Amy~ Since you disinfect your nebs twice a day, can you share with me how you find the time? Everytime I go to disinfect all my nebs (I have 4-not including EFLow) it takes me 30 mintues. (My nebs and vest alone take me an hour). Pray tell....how do you do it and work a 40+ job? Do you do it how I do it? Soak in alcohol 5 min, then boil water for 15 min, let it cool, then rinse nebs and let dry on a paper towel. If there is some secret you know...let me know.
 
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jfarel

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I would imagine, (since Amy doesn't have an eflow) she only boils her nebs in water. Probably takes ten or 20 min, depending on how many pots she has boiling at one time. Rinsing them in soap and water also would take a couple minutes.
 
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jfarel

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I would imagine, (since Amy doesn't have an eflow) she only boils her nebs in water. Probably takes ten or 20 min, depending on how many pots she has boiling at one time. Rinsing them in soap and water also would take a couple minutes.
 
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jfarel

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I would imagine, (since Amy doesn't have an eflow) she only boils her nebs in water. Probably takes ten or 20 min, depending on how many pots she has boiling at one time. Rinsing them in soap and water also would take a couple minutes.
 
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NoExcuses

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Dish washer. And I use it exclusively for my nebs - no other dishes.

PA is killed if it is exposed to water over 158 degrees for longer than 30 minutes.

My dishwasher reaches 180 for over 45 minutes.

But you're right, Chantel, before I got my dishwasher I would often skip nebs because it just took too long to clean (I was told by my doc to clean each part with a tooth brush, then boil for 10 minutes). Cleaning 6 nebs at a time (3 for the am, 3 for the pm) would take FOREVER.

So I got a dishwasher. Tiny little one from Walmart that sits on my kitchen shelf. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Hope this helps
 
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NoExcuses

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Dish washer. And I use it exclusively for my nebs - no other dishes.

PA is killed if it is exposed to water over 158 degrees for longer than 30 minutes.

My dishwasher reaches 180 for over 45 minutes.

But you're right, Chantel, before I got my dishwasher I would often skip nebs because it just took too long to clean (I was told by my doc to clean each part with a tooth brush, then boil for 10 minutes). Cleaning 6 nebs at a time (3 for the am, 3 for the pm) would take FOREVER.

So I got a dishwasher. Tiny little one from Walmart that sits on my kitchen shelf. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Hope this helps
 
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