husband is a carrier

anonymous

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Luke, I assume Mary is your wife? I would love to hear what her prof. has to say about this topic. I have never heard of this situation, the whole, two on one chromosome, one on two chromosomes, two on two different chromosomes.... It really doesn't make any sense to me at this point. Maybe she can shed some light. All I can draw from this is that if someone has CF symptoms, whether they be digestive, lung, or infertility (CBAVD/CAVD), or any combination of the three and they are in a situation like this (two mutations on one chromosome, or two chromosomes) and it needs to be treated like CF, they why not call it CF. I just really don't understand. If they have no signs or symptoms, then yes, I do understand, but like Mason's mom said that her husband and son have symptoms, mainly digestive. If you have to treat that like you would someone with CF, then I would have to conclude that they DO indeed have CF. I guess this is just one topic I have NO answers or even recommendations to.

As for the different labs, genzyme only tests for 86 mutations so they aren't all that much better or more reliable than a local lab that would test for 25 mutations. Here's some information I found on HollyCatheryn's website:

<i>Currently available DNA tests cannot identify all CF gene mutations. At present, diagnostic DNA tests screen for between 6 and 72 CF mutations. Available genetic tests are optimized for detecting the gene mutations  such as deltaF508  that are most common among Caucasians. In other population groups, therefore, these tests are much less sensitive. These tests can identify 90% of the cases occurring in Caucasians but only 75%, 57%, and 30% among persons of African, Hispanic, and Asian decent, respectively. </i>

<i>Since 1991, genetic counseling with testing for the most common CF mutations has been offered to all presumptive fathers [at our center]. One expectant father was found to be a carrier for the R117H mutation. The couple decided to continue the pregnancy and declined further prenatal investigation of the fetus. The child did not inherit the mutation. One infant had CF diagnosed, despite having no mutations found on a previous genetic screening of the father that had been performed elsewhere.</i>

<i>As of 1999) over 800 mutations in the CFTR gene have been identified, although not all are disease causing. The most common mutation in the UK is the three base pair deletion, deltaF508, which accounts for 75% of carriers; three commercial multiple-mutation assays are available that can detect about 86% of carriers in Scotland, Wales and the North of England, or 80% elsewhere. Different proportions apply to Asians (35%), Ashkenazi Jews (95%) and Blacks (41%). </i>

<i>The UK birth prevalence is 1 in 2400, which implies a carrier frequency of 1 in 24. A carrier couple have a one in four risk that each of their children has CF; this is reduced to under one in 50,000 if neither parent has a detectable mutation. When only one parent is a carrier the risk is about 1 in 500. </i>

<i>Usually probands are told that close relatives can be screened but only one-third of first- and one-tenth of second-degree relatives are tested. There have been three studies of the more active cascade screening approach. Uptake was higher and a large proportion of those tested were carriers. However, mathematical models have shown that under 15% of carriers in the population would be detectable this way.</i>

<i>Carrier screening of the general population is possible using DNA mutation analysis. CF carrier testing is not recommended at this time (2003) unless a family history of CF is present. It is difficult to detect all carriers. Only 80 - 90 percent of carriers will be identified with the available tests. Newborn screening is recommended to prevent malnutrition as well as improve lung condition.</i>

<i>Cystic fibrosis is an autosomal recessive disease with a carrier rate of 1 in 22 to 25 in Caucasian Americans of Northern European background; the most common mutation in this group is called F508 (accounting for 75 percent of disease).The CF gene is also common among individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage, who have a carrier rate of 1 in 25. The most common mutations in this latter population are 5T and W1 2828 (accounting for 48 percent of cases). The identity of the most common mutations in other racial or ethnic groups is not completely known (2001).</i>

<i>[There are] more than 1,000 mutations of the CF gene [as of 2004].</i>

Julie (wife to Mark 24 W/CF)
 

anonymous

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I found this on: www.cysticfibrosismedicine.com

Atypical CF

Some mutations such as R117H, 3849 + 10kb C-T, R334W, P67L are associated with borderline sweat tests (Augarten et al,1995, Desmarquest et al, 2000; Gilfillan et al, 1998). In these cases the sweat sodium concentration is often higher than chloride and patient is pancreatic sufficient. The diagnosis can remain uncertain in those patients with clinical features of CF, intermediate and one or less identified CF mutation. Very rarely, the sweat test can be normal in a patient with a CF genotype (Highsmith et al, 1994; Augarten et al, 1993; Strong et al, 1991, Stewart et al, 1995; Guidelines for the performance of the sweat test; Multi-Disciplinary working group, 2002).

Examples of borderline sweat tests in patients with cystic fibrosis.

Case 1: R117H/5T + (3849+10KB C>T)

Sweat test Na 72 / Cl 58, Na 60 / Cl 49, Na 58 / Cl 47

Case 2: R117H/5T + (3849+10KB C>T)

Sweat Na 52 / Cl 44 ,Na 56 / Cl 42

Case 3: DF508 + 3849+10Kb (C>T)

Sweat test Na 56 / Cl 50, Na 54 / Cl 49
 
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luke

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Julie,

no, mary is not my wife..I don't even know her...she is a poster just like us. the bottom of her postings state she is working towards her masters in genetics. thanks for assuming I am a gigolo though..I always thought I could handle more than one woman! Back to the topic

To anno. who let me know I missed the question and was focusing on the wrong question, thanks...As always to busy talking not enough listening!! So let me correct myself, if you are told from a reputible lab, testing for ALL the defects, your chances of having a child with CF or slim and none, slim being the rarity that you have a "new" defect.

sorry,

Luke
 

anonymous

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Luke, I'm the anon poster. I'm sorry, I wasn't in any way trying to imply that you weren't answering the right question. Actually, I just wanted to spread some correct info. I think there is a common misconception, even in the cf community, that genetic testing (esp Ambry) will find <b>all</b> cf mutations. Unfortunately, that's just not the case, so there is a really slim chance that you can be diagnosed with CF and only show one or even no mutations by genetic testing, which obviously implies that the parents can be screened, found not to carry the mutations and still end up with a child with cf. I'm not sure how rare it would be, but I would think it would be much more likely to be struck by lightening.... unfortunately it does happen though. That's why the sweat test, while not perfect, is still considered the gold standard for diagnosis.

At present, over 1300 mutations have been identified which will identify almost all carriers and cf patients in all ethnicities (96% detection rate per Ambry's site). At present, there is no way to rule <b>out</b> cf with 100% certainty. I know because I've lived it with my child. A negative sweat test usually means the individual doesn't have cf, but not always, same with the genetic testing. The pulmo at our clinic said that in those rare cases of atypical cf (ie neg or borderline sweat test), you look at the results of the sweat test, genetic test, and clinical picture to diagnose. (Our clinic is an asthma clinic since at present we're assuming my child doesn't have cf-neg sweat test, only one gene identified but many clinical features of cf; however, his clinic and pulmo are also a cf clinic on different days of the week. He's w/Riley in Indianapolis and treats both cf and asthma kids.)

On the two genes on one chromosome that Mason's Mom mentioned, I don't know anything about that but find it fascinating.

Last thing, at the bottom is the section from Ambry's site that I pulled the 96% detection rate from.
~M~

The proprietary Ambry Test" combines scanning and sequencing technologies to analyze a genes entire coding region plus surrounding critical introns. Capable of identifying more than 99% of the known disease-causing mutations of the CFTR gene, the companys reputable Cystic Fibrosis test has an <b>unrivaled detection rate of over 96% across all ethnic groups.</b>
 

anonymous

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To the original poster, I agree with Sharon, you should consult an adult cf clinic to determine whether your dh has cf. If, like Mason's Mom, he has both mutations on one gene, you may need to see both a dr from the cf clinic and a geneticist. Please let us know how the sweat test goes for your child. Prayers for a negative!!
~M~
 

anonymous

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Luke, oops, Looks like I made an ars (the forbidden word) of myself.

I must say this is a topic that is very interesting to me. Our CF doctor has referred us to a genetic counselor before we do our IVF/ICSI this october and I am taking in every single post from this particular topic to get some questions answered. I am not sure when the appt will be, but I am asking out of my own curiosity and will be happy to post an answer when I get the appt.

Julie (wife to mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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Hello....Just wanted you all to know that my daughter Taylor had a negative sweat test at Dupont Childrens Hospital which is a CFF center on the sight you all sent. They said <40>was borderline and she was<6>. While we are obviously thrilled about this, she is set up to undergo the bloodwork to see if she is carrier status and then we will go from there.
In regards to the new baby, we are seening a prenatal genetic specialist who will give us referals to University of Penn which was another facility on that sight.
I will keep you all posted on there findings.
In the meantime my husband will received further testing as well as myself on behalf of the kids through their facilities in the future.
I would like to thank you all for all your help.

Kathy
 

anonymous

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<img src="i/expressions/beer.gif" border="0"> Great news, Kathy!! I am very happy for you! I'm sure you're very relieved!! Good luck with the additional testing for your dh and the new baby.
~M~
 

anonymous

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Kathy, that is just wonderful news!!! I am so glad to hear that.

I do have a question on another subject, the IVF/ICSI because of the Congenital Absense of Vas Defrens...I am putting together a website for men with CF, or carriers of the CF gene who have CAVD and am looking for some people who have already been through the procedure to share their stories. Names can be put in or left out, pictures can be put in or left out. I think you already have my email address, but if you are at all interested please let me know. division902@hotmail.com


Julie
 
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