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mott

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My son, who is 16 months old, is suspected of having CF. He has all the "nomal" symptoms although I'm not sure about the polyps. He goes next week to see his PCM (we're military) and his referral will be put in at that point. What can we expect to happen at his first appointment with whoever we see next and how fast do things usually happen (I mean further testing). I would also like any words of advice I can get as we begin down this path. I want to know everything I can about CF and what my son and our family can expect if this is the diagnoses. Thank you so much.
mott
 

anonymous

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mott, I am active duty military with a husband who has CF. WE live in San Diego, I am just curious as to where you live.
I can't answer your questions about "what to expect at the first appointment" because I have never been in your shoes as a parent, just as a spouse. There will inevidabley be some answers from parents throughout the evening and weekend though.

Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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Hi there, My daughter (21 months) was diagnosed last June the week after her 1st B-day (she had a rectal prolapse and other than being a bit small didn't show any symptoms until the prolapse). At your next appt. they should do a sweat test on your son. This just involves putting a cream on his arm (that will make him sweat) and then they will cover a spot up with a plastic tape/cellophane(sp) stuff that will help collect the sweat so they can check for the level of salt in his sweat. It won't hurt at all. Our results were back within a few hours although I think some people have to wait a day or so (not sure why). After this, what happens will really depend on whether he has CF or not. If he doesn't they will probably keep trying to figure out what he does have.

If he does have CF then it depends on what his doctors want done. It seems like each doctor has a different order for things and some doctors won't do everything I mention but here is an idea of what we did with my daughter last summer: He would probably start with enzymes and vitamins (if he needs enzymes, I think it is something like 85% of people w CF that do)...then maybe get a sputum culture (a cotton swab swiped in the back of his throat to catch some mucus/sputum which will be cultured or "Grown" in a dish to see if there are any of the typical CF bactierias growing in his lungs) they may also want to do a chest x-ray to see what his lungs look like right now (looking for any signs of infection or tissue damage) and at some point they will likely do a nutrition scan to check his vitamin levels (which can be low bc of the inability to absorb, this is done by drawing blood) and they may also do a genetic test to find out what gene mutations he has (Delta F508 is the most common but there are over a thousand mutations, this is also done by drawing blood)...

I am sure I missed some things that other people have done. I wish you the best of luck at finding out what is going on with your son so you can get him on the road to treatment ASAP. Hopefully we will see you posting again here soon to tell us that he doesn't have CF afterall.

Best Wishes,
Kelli (mom of Sydney 21 months wcf)
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Liza

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Hi Mott. My husband is AD/AF at the moment, we are headed for retirement at what seems to be lightning speed. We have two teen girls w/CF. The oldest diagnosed at age 3, one week before our youngest was born. We were stationed at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC at that time. Being that our situation is most likely way different from yours I can only tell you what they did for us. We were sent to Duke in Raleigh. That was the closest CF center. They mostly just did routine kind of stuff, weight, height, history etc. Listened to her. She had no prior history of lung infections, her being diagnosed was almost a fluke. Her doctor did it just to cover all the bases and even had her tested twice because he didn't believe the first results. First he sent her for a sweat cholride test (aka, sweat test), then he sent her for another at a different place. I'm just guessing here (it was 15 years ago almost), the first place must not have been a CF center. He then sent us to Duke which I know was a CF center and that's where they went for appts. after that. The sweat test is simple and painless. They will wrap your sons arm with plastic after applying something that promotes sweating, then they wrap that with a bandage (I think, remember it was a loooong time ago). Anyhow, it will be wrapped up. They do something else too but I just can't remember. Then they let you go for a while, after about an hour or so you go back where they will unwrap it very carefully. That's it. They will test/measure the amount of salt to come up with the results. Sorry, I can't recall how long that takes, day or two? We knew within days both results. They will most likely take chest x-rays when you go for your first CF appt. I think that's about it. I can't recall anything else.

May I ask where you are stationed? Is your PCM moving things along for you? Tricare here works extremely well. Here by the way, is Offutt AFB, NE. Way better than the old Champus, with Tricare we're covered 100% now, virtually no out of pocket expense. Your PCM should be able to put in a request for the base pharmacy to order most of your sons meds. It will take some time if they don't normally carry what he needs. The high dollar items may take a bit more work depending on where you are stationed. Our girls are both on Pancrease MT16 for enzymes, originally on Pancrease for the older one and Cotyzym for the baby. Both were ordered for us. When they started Pulmozyme they ordered that too. We got the first months supply from the local pharmacy. Now that the girls use inhaled antibiotics we just get them from Target (for us here it's a Tricare approved pharmacy, as well at Walmart). Pharmacys have a budget and I didn't want them ordering so many high dollar meds for us. It's only $3. each time anyway.

I hope some of this helps. Trying to think that far back is hard. If you have any questions or need help/advice with Tricare please let us know. We'll give all the info we can on how to go about handling all that.

Liza
(mom of 2teen girls w/CF)
 

anonymous

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Hi Mott,

Sorry you are going through a probably very stressful time. I hope, regardless of his diagnosis, that everything will be ok. Keep us posted on his sweat test results when you get a chance.

Every kid diagnosed has a different situation. What the doctors will prescribe for your son will depend a lot upon his symptoms, growth, respiratory condition, etc. In my son's case, he was diagnosed shortly before his first birthday (although he was showing symptoms right after his birth). Our clinic had him start taking enzymes because he was considered pancrease infsufficient (not all cf patients must take enzymes, but most do). They also had us start chest physical therapy twice a day for him. Paired with this were two inhalers (albuterol to open his airways and pulmozyme to thin the mucous in his lungs). They also did a quick throat culture and found a bacteria that can be harmful to cf patients (called psudomonas) so they had him take another inhaler called Tobrimyacin (or TOBI for short). This was all a bit overwhelming, but when we witnessed my son's response to the enzymes (his growth suddently shot through the roof) and his disappearing cough, we were elated! We also begain to soon realize there was more hope for our son's future than we had first anticipated. My son just turned 5 and is doing fabulous!

Hang in there - this is a stressful time worrying about your son's well being. It's also a strain getting used to giving the medications and starting a new schedule to fit everything in your day, but your efforts will be so worth it. Please feel free to email me any time. Your son and family will be in my thought and prayers.

Sincerely,

Carey
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mott

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Liza--we are also based here at Offutt AFB. Logan has not been seen by his assigned PCM in the peds clinic yet but will see her Tuesday for an athma appointment and than the next day for a well baby check. The awesome doctor he had been seeing the majority of his 16 months of life is the one concerned--he's had numerous lung infections since he was born and is not gaining weight like a normal kid should. He's way below the charts although he eats like a horse. For instance at McDonald's this kid eats an entire cheeseburger, two chicken nuggets, plus fries. He makes me laugh! He also sleeps a lot and is awake no more than five hours during a 24 hour period. I am not sure if that's common for children with CF? He currently has had pneumonia since February. His PCM will put in the referal after she sees him Tuesday. Of course my husband is gone until the end of the month. On one hand I hope they get him in soon but on the other I hope they wait until he's home. I am trying to stay positive but right now it seems very hard. Please keep all of your information coming! I appreciate it so much.
 

mott

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Kelly & Carey--you were both very helpful to me. Right now I am reading all this stuff and getting really scared. Can you tell me an example of what an average day is like with a child who has CF. I'm sure everyone is different and each household has thier own routine, but I'm trying to get an idea of how our life would change if this is the diagnoses. I read and have had people tell me to lick his forehead--my poor kids (I have three, Logan's the baby). I took turns licking each one. They were like what the heck are you doing-that's gross. :) Logan did taste different-he tastes saltier.
 

mott

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PLEASE ANYONE WHO READS THIS THREAD--PLEASE LEAVE ME SOME SORT OF INFORMATION TO HELP ME AS WE BEGIN THIS JOURNEY. I ASKED FOR HELP ON SOMEONE ELSES THREAD AND HAVE LEARNED THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO--THEY HAVE REAL PROBLEMS AND IT WAS RUDE OF ME TO ASK THEM. I GUESS I'LL JUST DEPEND ON WHATEVER YOU LEAVE ME HERE AND STAY OUT OF OTHERS. THANK YOU TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE DEALING WITH CF YOURSELF.
 

anonymous

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Dear Mott-

Please look back at the other thread you are referring to. Sometimes anonymous people post things that do not benefit any of us. I'm sorry that it happened to you. I have been where you are at now and know how frightened and concerned you are. There are many people that will offer help and information including myself.

Maria (mother of three daughters, the youngest Samantha, w/cf)
 

NoDayButToday

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Hi Mott, I hope Logan does not have CF, as I'm sure we all do. You asked about a typical day for a CFer, so here's mine. When I wake up, I do a series of aerosolized medications (bronchodilators, mcus thinner and sometimes an antibiotic), after which I do some form of airway clearance (manual chest PT or the Flutter for me personally; some people use a therapy Vest that I don't find very effective). With breakfast I take an assortment of pills (antacids, allergy, anti imflmmatory etc.) and digestive enzymes. I do some inhalers and nasal sprays. At school, my day is fairly uninterupted by treatments except for enzyes and the occasioanl albuterol puffer. Depending on how I feel, when I get home from school I may do an additional set of aerosols with only Xoponex and some more airway clearance just to clearout. Always in the evening I do another complete set of aerosols with all the nebs I did in the morning repeated, as well as airway clearance. I personally have a feeding tube, so I connect at night nd it runs until I wake up the next day. So that's a prety typical day for me-- the only thing I neglected to say was that any time I eat, I take my enzymes.You are right, not every patient has the same regime-- some people don't need enzymes, some don't have feeding tubes, some do aerosols 1/day. But that was my typixcal day, hope it helped
 

mott

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Thank you so much for your bits of insite. It really means a lot to me and helps me a bunch. Please keep coming.
 

anonymous

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Hi Mott,

Don't get scared - things will be ok. Even if your child IS diagnosed with CF. This typica day for us may be different than some patients, but it's what we do for our 5 year old son. He's doing great right now and it has just become part of our routine. Like Coll, we start in the morning with inhalers (this is fast - just a couple of minutes) and then some chest physical therapy on a vest (20-30 minutes). After another quick inhaler, we have breakfast. My son takes enzymes any time he eats a meal or snack, but he's really used to this by now. His day is pretty routine except for taking enzymes with his food or needing an occasional extra treatment or puff of albuterol (if he's wheezy, which is rare). At night, we repeat our morning routine except for adding an inhaled medication called pulmozyme which thins his mucous (making it easier to cough up). He takes vitamins and a laxative and besides this, these are his only medications. We try to make his meals and snacks high in calories and fat because his weight is sometimes an issue. Overall, he's doing really well and all of our hard work is well worth it. Let us know what you find out. Everything will be ok!

Carey <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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Mott, I have some information to povide you about an older person with CF, if it is of interest to you. I know you are probably very curious about what is going to happen immediately after the diagnosis, and in the few weeks and months to follow-I would be too! But if you are interested in hearing some stuff about and older CFer, please just post, ok here and I will write you a small novel <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">.

Also, I am very sorry that someone was rude to you. I don't know what post you are refering to, but I know I (as well as many other long timers on here) will respond to almost anything, even if it differs from what the initial topic is-as long as it is CF related and not a debate about religion or such (just as an example because that is what use to be a big thing) or a person doing a paper about CF and wants an easy A with no specific questions. But anyways, I am very sorry about that and wish to welcome you to this site and hope you do keep coming back.


Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

mott

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Thank you to all of you--any piece of information is very appreciated at this time no matter if it pertains to a young person or an older person. If Logan does have CF, we'll need to know what his future holds as well. I know no one knows what the future holds but I guess I mean what life will be like when he's older as well. Thanks again.
 

anonymous

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Mott, I read the particular thread last night where the people were rude to you. Just ignore it, the world is full of people like that, but the world is also full of people willing to help. Good luck.
 

anonymous

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Mott, I will have a large chunk of information for you posted here later this afternoon/evening and I hope it will help ease your fears a bit. You are right, nobody knows what the future holds and there is no predicting, but it is always nice to know what others are experiencing. You can also email me at division902@hotmail.com if you have any questions.


Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

anonymous

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Ok, it's a novel, and it jumps around a bit but I hope it helps you out a bit, and if you want to email me, please feel free to do so at division902@hotmail.com

Ok, here goes a bit of history on my husbands CF and what his life has been like from when I met him 5 ½ years ago.
This is from his mother: He was diagnosed at 18months by a sweat test because he had failure to thrive, which was really noticed by his mother after she stopped breastfeeding him. At that point he was put on enzymes and his parents were instructed to give him daily chest physiotherapy. At first, it was only to be done in the morning to help clear the mucous that builds up. It was an hour session that was done with him laying across his mothers legs for about 15 minutes, then laying off the side of the bed with his head down for about 15-30 minutes and then more if he could tolerate it. After that he would cough a lot and be able to produce some good mucous out of his lungs, which he would spit out. They now have Chest Physiotherapy vests that cut this time in half and dont require a parent/family member to actually do it, the vest does all the work. He and his mom had a lot of sessions where he learned how to cough deeply (starting at about 24 months). This was done so he would be able to produce mucous for his doctors to test instead of them always having to swab the back of his throat, and so he would learn how to get this stuff out of his lungs when he felt the need to. There werent really CF meds back then other than CIPRO for a lung infection, so that is pretty much all he took.

A while after his diagnosis his parents split up, not because of him but because of previous marital problems. Before this happened, his mother stayed home with them 2-3 days a week and the other 2-3 days they would go to daycare so his mom could help out his dad in the store and to give them some time to socialize, he has a brother who is 2 years older than him-no CF, as well as a sister who is about 10 years older and also no CF. After the split his mom had to work full time and she was a part time college student, so the boys were in daycare pretty much every day from 6am-6pm (sometimes longer) from when he was 2 ½ until he started kindergarten. Looking back, his mom says she wished she could have stayed home with them, but she feels the early exposure (although not when he was a very venerable infant) to other kids, germs and the socialization really helped him feel normal.

Throughout elementary, Junior High and High school he was very active in sports, always participated in PE although he need his inhaler on occasion to continue to participate. The doctors were too fond of this (they have learned a lot since the 80s) and sort of discouraged this. He was determined though, and played on indoor and out door soccer teams until his Junior year in High school. He did not participate his last year because he wanted to focus on school. He continued to be athletic, doing cardio of some type 3 or more times a week, and in the summer after his Senior year he started lifting weights. He put on about 15lbs of weight (in muscle) that summer and he hasnt stopped lifting weights since that time. He has digestive issues (so gaining weight was a big success) and lung issues associated with CF, but manages them pretty well with his enzymes and the medications he now takes.
He was in the hospital a few times, and admitted as a toddler when they were trying to diagnose him. Then in his elementary years, and some JR high and high school he was in the hospital participating in studies for Cystic Fibrosis such as DNase (pulmozyme-which thins the mucous in the lungs and makes it easier to bring up, usually recommended to take BEFORE chest physiotherapy) and TOBI (nebulized [inhaled] antibiotic that is created in this form just for CFers). Other than being in the emergency room a few times for pneumonia he hasnt had any hospitalizations since he was a child.

I met him when he was 19 and at this time he was using just his digestive enzymes, and cipro (to fight the infrequent-usually 1 a year or less-lung infections he would get). He would see the CF doctor once every 3 months (he usually tried to drag it out longer, but I would drag him in there to see them) and sometimes once every 6 months if they said he looked great. When he was 22, he ran into a lung infection where he cultured pseudomonas and Staph Aureaus (bugs that CFers grow frequently) and for the first time he was put on a 28 day regime of TOBI, this time as a patient and not a study participant. That cleared up the infection and he wasnt on tobi, or any other CF related drugs until right after his 25th birthday this past October. He got another bug that he just couldnt get rid of so his doctors put him on 28 days on 28 days off (for 4 months) of Tobi. When he started to build a bit of a resistance to the Cipro (that they also had him on during this time) they put him on Colistin (colymycin Parentheal-you have to reconstitute it with normal saline and sterile water then mix it up and put it in the nebulizer). This is a harsher medication that some patients seem to have a problem with but he did just fine. It wasnt until 3 months into it and we were getting ready to go to invetro that we noticed around the same time he started this medication, his testosterone level, FSH level and LH level became non-existent (and we were just getting ready to do a sperm retrieval and use it for invetro). Now, this is just our experience so please dont jump to any conclusions, but please be cautious before using this medication because the label clearly states there have NOT been reproductive studies done, I am pushing for that with this company though.

Since October 2004, (right after his 24th birthday) we started doing chest physiotherapy not only in the morning but also at night (which we never did before) and then in November he got a vest www.thevest.com which he used for 2 ,10 minute sessions in the morning (a little break for him to cough, or he could do straight 20 minutes) and the same thing at night, he started using TOBI off one month, on the next, he was started on the colistin (which we have since discontinued, and his Testosterone, FSH and LH have returned to normal-but theres no telling if any damage has been done), and he was also put on a proton inhibitor for recurrent heartburn, something I guess he has experienced all his life but never really brought up to anybody. They tried prilosec, but he didnt really like how that worked for him so we are going to try a few others. They also put him on allegra because he does have some slight allergies that he had always attributed to his CF, but hat are relieved a bit with this medication.

All in all, he is pretty healthy and leads what I would call a normal life (what is normal anyways, really?). He has been a full time (plus) student the last three years and this fall will be his last year in college and he graduates with a degree in international business administration. His CF related therapies take about 30-45 minutes in the morning and 30-45 in the evening (they use to take a lot longer when it was manual chest PT), he goes to the gym M-F in the afternoons for about 2 hours to lift weights, and then 2-3 times a week in the morning, he will go to the gym on my base when he drops me off for work and do 30 minutes of cardio. He does eat a lot, and I mean a lot of food a day. He usually aims for getting about 4500-6000 calories in (this large amount started when he was about 19, the summer of lifting weights) and about 200-225 grams of protein in everyday. This sets us back quite a bit of money every month.

Through the military it might benefit you to look into the program for persons with disabilities (even though I see CF far from being a disability-sometimes anything helps) which will cover an additional $1000 over what tricare will cover every month. If you find you arent maxing out tricare, you might want to look into it for something tricare wont cover. Like, they wont cover boost shakes for my husband (Same thing as ensure instant drinks, just cheaper) but I am fighting that with tricare right now. They may cover pediasure or something for your little guy because the regulations are different with infants and children though. We are also on food stamps and that helps out a lot with out monthly expenses. I am not sure of your husbands pay grade and whether or not you live in base housing, but if you do live in base housing, they can only count the BASE pay and BAS (and I believe the separation pay or special pay if the two of you are geographically separated). That might be to your advantage if you live in base housing, we dont so they count by BAH and we almost werent elgible for food stamps, especially since its just the two of us right now. The military also has a program called family supplemental allowance which if you qualify based on all income and the size of the household, they just pay your husband that extra dollar amount every month in his base pay. Its the militarys attempt to keep military members above the 130% poverty line, and you can get up to $500 extra a month. They say, that while you get the FSS, you cant get food stamps also, but thats not true because you can still be getting FSS, and not be getting enough (since the max is $500) so you would qualify for food stamps. This may not seem all that important to you now, but if Logan does have CF, he will eat you out of house and home as he grows and its important to maintain his weight to keep him his healthiest.

My husband attributes his health to fact that he has always been WAY over the weight requirement for his height, which leaves him less susceptible to the colds and such that go around because his immune system is able to fight it off. He is currently 6ft and 185lbs but that fluctuates up to 195 and down to about 170 if he gets sick. He has had to work hard to get his weight that high (in his sophomore and junior year he was about 511 and only 145lbs, then his SR year he started focusing on his food intake and went up to about 165-170, then the summer of weightlifting he took it all the way up to 185).

If you have any questions to me that you dont want to post here please feel free to email me at division902@hotmail.com, just put CF in the subject line.


Julie (wife to Mark 24 w/CF)
 

mott

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Julie-your information was very helpful. My husband is AD/AF and is currently a staff sergeant. We have two other children besides Logan (they do not have CF)so money is aleady tight around here. I am a stay at home mom although I was planning on going back to work in the fall or to school. If Logan does have CF, I will continue to stay home. Since Shane came into the Air Force six years ago, it has been easier for me to be home and try to keep some "nomalcy" in our children's lives since he goes TDY often. He is currently gone to school--he's always gone when I seem to need him. :) The information about the food stamps and the program for parents with special needs children you gave me were two things I had not even thought about before but am so happy to hear about them. I also have to admit hearing you two are trying to have a baby was a relief to me. Everything I had read seemed to tell me Logan's chances of ever being a father were about zero. I was sad to read that even though he's only 16 months old. I wish you great luck getting that baby.
Going back to the eating--Logan already eats SO much food I can't imagine as he grows. I don't know if you read above what he eats at McDonalds but it's a huge amount. With all he eats, you'd think he'd weigh 50 pounds! At his appointment Thursday (a recheck for pneumonia he's had since February) he finally hit 20 pounds and will be 17 months on the 12th. He's a tiny thing. He has been doctoring with a fairly constant cough since he was two weeks old and has never had luck gaining weight. Being military it seems he sees a different doctor every appointment--it gets frustrating. This Tuesday he goes to an appointment to talk about asthma with his PCM (whome he's seen once in 16 months). She's supposed to put the referral in at that time for the sweat test. He goes again the next day to see her again for a well baby check. I don't understand why they didn't just do both appointmets at the same time but than again I don't understand why they do a lot of things. Anyway, thanks again and please keep the information coming. Best of luck to you and your husband.

Michelle
 
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