infections in daycare

ashton2005

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Has anyone found that when children with cf go to daycare facilities that they tend to get more of the infections and colds???i know they shouldnt be kept in a bubble i just know all the good fun stuff that goes around daycare facilities!!

christi
 

anonymous

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Daycares just cannot be kept clean enough. If you have any other option, take it. There are a lot of other ways for babies/toddlers to have fun.
 

julie

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Well this can be a tricky one because you are going to find some VERY different views about this, here's mine and it's long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It must be impossibly difficult not to want to shelter and protect your child from anything that might harm them or shorten their lives, especially when you take their CF into consideration.
It makes complete sense for parents to want to stay home with their children-I for one hope that I am able to do that someday, but I WILL be taking my children to play goups, daycare or other acivities to get them out of the house, so I can relate to wanting to stay home.

AND...
You can protect your child from germs in daycare by keeping them home,
you can protect your child from germs in elementary, JR high and High School my doing Home school

BUT.........
You CANNOT protect your child from germs in college because you can not provide them with their college education. If college is their first real exposure/close encounter germs with people outisde of their immediate family, that poor little immune system is going to be in for such a shock, that their body might not be able to handle it-honestly.
You CANNOT protect your child from the germs of someone they grow to love. Again, if this is the first real exposure to germs they can damage their body very badly because it is such a shock after being shelted for so long.

I understand you may not be considering going so far as to home school them and such, but they are important things to consider.

Two Scenarios:

Child A starts daycare at a young age and is sick for most of the first 6 months (we all know CFers hang onto illnesses longer than the rest of us) they are there. After those first 6 months, illness/infections subside-they still occur but are very infrequent and mostly mild. Child A starts kindergarden and is ill for the first few weeks due to exposure to brand new germs. After those first few weeks, the illness/infections subside and child A is actively involved in kindergarden, playing with kids at recess, playing with friends from school on weekends and after school, participating in school sponsored events.....

Child B doesn't got to daycare, mom or dad stays home and child has minimal to no contact with a daycare setting/play group, child B is hardley ever ill or hasn't had many infections. Child B starts Kindergarden and is sick for the first 6-9 months, misses out on a good majority of what they need to learn in order to progress to first grade. Child B might be held back to complete what they missed-this can be a huge setback in the life of a child who simply wants to be "normal". Child B might miss out on building school relationships because they have been absent so often. They may not have too many friends to play with at recess because they didn't estabish relationships due to their absences (kids can be really mean and unforgiving to other kids).

Of course, these are two scenarios with two extreme sides, but it really is something to consider. As hard as it might be, the earlier you get their bodies exposed and use to the germs, the faster their body is going to build a tolerance. The older they get without the constant exposure will just make it that much harder on their bodies and that much worse when they are finally exposed-because it's going to happen sometime.

And since my post is already a novel, I might as well continue <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

My husband was put into daycare at about 4 months when his mom went back to work. His father left so she didn't have much choice other than to put both her boys in daycare and work her butt off. Mark was sick a lot for that first year (as she recalls), but after a while the colds and infections seemed to dissapate (sp?). He has been sick a few times in his life since those early daycare years. Ironically enough he was told at his diagnosis that he would live to be five, surely not any longer than 10 and that he would be in and out of the hospital on IV medications, oxygen, feeding tubes for the rest of his short life....To this day, the only IV medications my hsuband has ever been on were trial medications, he has never been on oxygen and has never had a feeding tube. He believes this is partly because of his early exposure to an array of germs and next because of his mothers encouragement for him to always be active and normal just as everyone else. He played soccer all through elementary, JR. high and High school, he has been very active in the gym with weight lifting since he was about 15 and continues to be very active. I've often asked him if he ever thought his moms choice to put him in daycare harmed his health (usually when this daycare topic comes up) and he always tells me absolutely not. It taught him young how to take care of himself, wash his hands, do his medications and keep himself busy. He also formed some great friendships that carried him through elementary.

It's a tough thing to do, but early exposure really is the best because it's going to happen sometime!
 

rose4cale

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My son was in a daycare for the first 18 months. Granted we didn't know about his CF at the time, but he was always sick. 2 weeks after his diagnosis, my husband had a job transfer and I was forced to quit work when we moved. From then on I stayed home with the kids and Cale's colds and illnesses pretty much subsided. It has been our choice to keep him home until he was old enough to know the importance of handwashing and until the age where he didn't put everything he touched in his mouth. Daycares can't possibly keep all the kids from doing that and they didn't disinfect toys until all of the kids went home. In home daycares also don't have the regulations that centers have so I didn't have much faith in them either.

He does play with kids his age in playgroups and neighbors. He goes shopping with me and I think shopping carts are about as germy as you can get. I just take wipes with us. My point is that he gets exposed to germs, but with a little more control of his daily activities I think he is less sick. He will be starting pre-school next year, and we can't wait!
 

anonymous

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Hi everyone,

Something to take into consideration..

My daughter does not have CF. She has been in daycare for a year now. Over that period, she has had 15 colds of which 3 had to be treated with antibiotics due to progression to her lungs/ears.

Her stats seem inordinarily high. However, her pediatrician informed me that on average children do get 10-14 colds a year, irrespective of whether they are in daycare or not. The point of this is that every child will get colds. Therefore, the issue at hand is not the actual colds, but the desire to protect. Is over-protecting the child in his/her best interest?

Dx@35
 

anonymous

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I would think the overall health of the child to begin with would have to factor in.

I went to daycare, public school, etc. from age 4 all through college I was healthy though and did not get any sicker than any other non CF kids. My CF didn't sem affected by being around all the germ infested kids. In fact, I am a school teacher now, and I am not out ill due to catching things from the kids here either, so for me, it would have been a moot point.

However, as a mom (though my son does not have CF - but if he did), I wouldn't want to shelter him unless it was medically necessary. If he was prone to severe infections, was sick more than normal for children or was spending an absorbant amount of time in the hospital, I would want to keep him away from any extra germs. If he seemed to be handling it all right, I'd let him go. I think that for a relatively healthy child, exposure to some germs is good as it helps them to build up some resistence.

wanderlost 28W/CF
 

lflatford

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My daughter is in daycare and does really well. But I think it may be due to the fact that so far her CF is mild. However, another child w/CF I know does not go to daycare is ill often. I think her mother has made the right choice to stay home with her. So, the decision is not only personal, it also depends on the situation.
 

anonymous

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I have to pipe in and say that because a parent keeps their CF child out of a daycare, for germ purposes, doesn't mean that they are over-protective or that they are putting their CFer in the stupid bubble that we always hear about. It simply means that they want to prevent as many illnesses as possible while they can. Every child that stays out of the daycare situation isn't sitting at home alone in their room with air purifiers and saran wrap around the walls. They just aren't around all of the other runny nose kids that wipe their snot on everything they touch. I'm sure there are benefits to exposing the immune system but my little girl WAS more sick than the other kids there and couldn't fight it off as well as the other kids, so we pulled her out and she does MUCH better now. She gets a cold here and there, but nothing like the stuff she fought before.

M.O.M.
 

1princess

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My husband and I are both work full-time and will continue working full-time after our next baby is born - not because I necessarily want to, but we have to. So, therefore, we have no choice but to put our daughter in a daycare - she goes to a home daycare where she gets colds like everyone else, but I think she would get them anyway from being around her cousins. My daughter is very healthy and has never had any kind of serious illness and my babysitter also has a dog and 2 cats so I have bigger issues with that than the snotty nosed kids! I am very concerned about putting our new baby, especially if she has CF, in a daycare setting, but I really don't have any other choice.
 

julie

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Again, this is one of those controversial things where everyone will have their own opinion. The health of the child is a HUGE factor in making this sort of decision, if you have a CFer who is very ill-it isn't common sense to expose them unnecessairly. Not everyone has that option avilable though and if the CFer is sick, but not VERY sick with lots of complications, it isn't going to hurt them to be exposed. It's actually better to do it now than later.

I also didn't see anyone who posted before making any reference to saran wrap and kids sitting home doing nothing. There are parents who choose to stay home with their children (I hope to be one of them some day) who take their children to activities, montessori schools, stay home kids/mom groups-that is always a great option for kids, especially when there is a concern for germs. This kind of thing allows the parents to have a bit more control over handwashing, sick kids... but still let their kids have exposure, have play time with other children.

Nobody is saying that a parent is bad or wrong for whatever decision they choose. Its just that those who have "been there, done that" and are in their adult stages, IN MY OPINION (purely opinion!!!!) have a little bit more to share. Not that other opinions aren't valuable, but if I were a parent, I would be paying VERY close attention to what these older CFers are saying because they have personal experience and can speak to what did work for them, what didn't work, what the results were.........again, just my opinion.
 

anonymous

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The reference to saran wrap and sitting and doing nothing was a figure of speech so to say. It just seems like the instant you mention you want to keep your kids home, someone jumps to the conclusion that you are overprotective and putting the child in a bubble and I think that is a wrong assumption. Obviously not everyone has the option of staying home. But if you can, it's worth it to the child and yourself for more reasons than just CF.
 

anonymous

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Like Julie said, "this is one of those controversial things where everyone will have their own opinion." And of course I have mine <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> My daughter is in day care after kindergarten 5 days a week and was in day care and preschool 5 days a week when she was 3 and 4. We were lucky that my inlaws were able to watch her until she was 3. I hated the fact that I had to put her in daycare, but I had no choice, I have to work for the benefits because my husband owns a small business and we can't afford healthcare on our own....that is a whole different subject..ha ha!! Anyway, to get to my point, she does get sick more often than she did at my inlaws, but still does not get as sick as my cousin's kids (none with CF) and she is a stay at home mom. Her kids are sick (and sometimes REALLY sick) on average 10 - 14 times per year (like the docs say is average). My daughter isn't sick that much and she is the one with CF AND in daycare. Although I would LOVE to stay at home with her if I could, I can't, so I do what I can to educate her daycare, school and her as much as possible about the importance of washing hands and using "magic soap" as she calls it <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

For all those moms who have to work, or even want to work, hang in there and know that there are many of us out there just like you!!!!!!

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anonymous

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My mom was a SAHM all the way up until a few years ago. I was never in daycare, my mom worked part time some times when I was younger(not school age) and my brother was in school...my grandmother kept me. I actually didn't get a lot of colds/strep throat/stomach bugs when I started school. Of course I had an older brother who had been in school and bringing bugs home for a few years. I missed most of kindergarten but that was due to glaucoma and complications from that.

I was homeschooled 8th grade-highschool graduation...believe me still exposed to people and still got sick. Although considering I was on high dose prednsione through most of that time it was probably a good thing I didn't have constant exposure to people. Right now I'm looking into doing online college classes..a vet tech course thats approved and accredited by the AVMA...all clinical work is done at a vets office. SO you don't have to go to college to further your education after HS

smurf 20w/CF and asthms
 

CFTwins

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I'm not sure if people are all done talking about this, but I have a question about building up immunity. Our pulmonologist explained immunity to viruses as "temporal". Meaning that if you are exposed to a virus you are immune to it for about a month, but if it comes around again after that, you are not immune anymore and you may catch it. Basically he said you can't "stock up" on immunity that will help you when you get older. This flew in the face of what I understood about immunity... but he is the doc. So... has anyone heard the same thing from their docs... or are you getting a different story. We protect our kids from a lot of germs... although we have a lot of people who visit them everyday too, so I have wondered if too much protection from germs could be harmful too.

I have twins who stay at home with a baby sitter during the day. Our docs discouraged daycare if we could figure something else out. We're lucky enough to live in a college town, so finding someone who was qualified and willing to get paid what we can manage was possible. Additionally... since it's twins... it's actually cheaper than daycare... but to each his own. It's great to see how passionate people are on this... it's clear that we all love our kids... A LOT.
 

anonymous

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CFTwins
That doesn't make since to me either. If we only have immunity for about a month, then why don't we get flu shots every month during flu season?
 
My daughter was diagnosed at 8 months old, (now 5 & 1/2) i had gone back to work when she was 6 months old, and Chelsie was with a childminder, but when she was diagnosed i left work, i left work because i felt i wanted to spend all my time with her once we knew what cf was, BUT she was so well once diagnosed that i did go back to work when she was 10 months old.
She went to the same childminder who had had her preivously, who had 6 children but only 1 of those were not at school, she was the best childminder ever, she coped with her tablets i did her physio in the morning and her dad did it in the evening.
She was with this childminder till she started at a pre-school which was when she was 2 years old and then went straight into nursery then school, we are lucky i'd say because she has only had about 2 days off since she started going to the childminder due to her illness so that's 2 days off in 4 & 1/2 years, she loves school and as much as i would love to wrap her up in cotton wool, i can't.
Chelsie has swimming lessons, she goes to after school recorder club also football and skipping club, it's things she loves doing so i wouldn't dream of not letting her do them.
 

daelwill

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I have had both experiences with daycare... the very first daycare I put my son in when he was 2, he got a lung infection with RSV. He had been in child care since 4 months old but usually someone's home with less than 5 kids.

He returned to a home care setting and did fine... we moved and the sitter was returning to school... no one that didn't smoke was available... so back to daycare... only this time he attended for 3 years with no problems relating to the daycare. He did have a couple sinus infections, and one CF lung infection.

It was the daycare and how strictly the adhered to the state regulations regarding sick children and their disinfecting schedule. The last daycare he was in... did not allow kids with fevers and if they got a fever they separated them from the other children (and they could not return for 48hours), if they started antibiotics for an infections they could not come back for 48 hours, if they threw up they could not come back for 24 hours. If the child developed a green snot nose, the parent had to take to the doctor- and if started on antibiotics (48 hours). The lady who owned the center was very caring and had attended a Lysol seminar which scared her and her husband is an EMS. They sprayed all furniture and toys with Lysol every evening after closing and all big toys got thoroughly washed once a month outside with bleach. Each child had a mat for naps with their name on it and only that child used it and it was folded in such a way that the part the child laid on did not touch the others when stacked up. No toys or blankets were allowed from home, if the child wanted a blanket to use during nap, they had blankets there and they washed them daily. And if a child put a toy in it's mouth, they would take it and run it through the dishwasher before it went back in with the other toys.

They taught the kids to wash their hands... and use hand sanitizer, even the teachers used it... Amazingly the center never smelled like dirty diapers and there were not children running around with runny noses all the time. My son did have the one lung infection, but it was nothing he picked up at the center. He could have attended pre-K but we chose to keep him at the daycare one more year so he could be healthy before kindergarten... which he was... it was 5 years before he got another lung infection... of course that is a whole other story... he is 10 now and pretty healthy.

So if you have to work, and most of us do... it would be great to stay home. Try to find a home care setting, but if you have to use a daycare, check them out... ask them about how and when they disinfect and the policies about illnesses, observe them for an afternoon or a few hours.
 
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