Inhaled L-Arginine

Jonathan

New member
I have recently been studying L-Arginine and its role in CF. L-arginine is a substrate for Nitric Oxide and is believed to be deficient in CF patients.

<i>Nitric Oxide is important for its role in cell signaling,
facilitating the building of muscle tissue, and the uptake of
nutrients and glucose by muscle tissue where it is used for energy
(1, 8). Additionally, NO is responsible for smooth muscle
relaxation and regulating ciliary beat function (1). <b>NO is also
responsible for increased conductance of the CFTR protein, enhancing
chloride transport while down-regulating sodium absorption </b>(1, 3, 6,
7) resulting in increased hydration of endobronchial secretions,
facilitating elimination of bacteria from the lungs (1,7,19). NO
may also decrease neutrophil accumulation in the lung (20, 21).

Finally, NO is known to act as a bactericidal agent against
two of the most prevalent pathogens common in the pathology of
Cystic Fibrosis, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (PA) and Staphylococcus
Aerus (SA) (1, 18). The bactericidal effects of NO work first by
reducing adherence of bacteria in the CF lung, and second by
disrupting microbial functions by interacting with critical
membranes and cellular thiols in bacteria (23, 24, 25). As
adherence is the initial step in establishing infection, augmenting
NO very early in CF would in theory have therapeutic effects (3).</i>

<b>http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/ArginineGSNO.htm</b>

I encourage you to read that whole article as it is VERY interesting and has some very important implications if proven correct.

As a result of the research I have done, I have started inhaling the L-Arginine immediately after I inhale GSH. This will form GSNO in the lungs (refer to article).

GSNO acts as a reserve for both GSH and NO (Nitric Oxide) which are both deficient in the lungs of CF patients.
"Low levels of GSNO in CF airways would seem to account for the affinity of the CF lung to colonize SA and PA since a lack of NO is recognized for increased adherence of bacteria in the CF lung (1, 3, 5, 7). It is reasonable to suggest, therefore, that normalizing airway GSNO in CF will increase host defense against these common CF pathogens."

This next part is taken from: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/wlgroup2/message/100">http://health.groups.yahoo.com...p/wlgroup2/message/100</a> , and is an account from someone who has already inhaled L-arginine in the same way that they did in the study.

<i>Inhaling Buffered L-arginine

1) Be careful to be sure to mix it in the proper proportions, as
inhaling it at the wrong pH could pose a problem.

2) To make the solution, I dissolved 0.9g of l-arginine free-base and
15g of l-arginine hydrochloride in 300ml of purified water. (Solomons
used tap water.) This mixture should have a pH of 7.4-7.6 and should be
refrigerated. In Solomon's study, it was inhaled four times a day for thirty

<b>3) 16-24 hours after I began inhaling it I became extremely congested,
more congested than when I'm sick, and was coughing up the most vile
looking, foulest smelling mucus. Even when I've been sick, it doesn't look
that gross! And "coughing up" is an overstatement: mostly, it just slid out
of it's own accord. This continued for a couple of days. My breath smelled
REALLY bad, too, but this also went away.</b>

4) After inhaling it for a long time, I am sometimes short of breath
for 15-30 minutes afterward, but have found that adding 0.5cc of Ventolin
alleviates this(though I rarely do it).

<b>5) Oral use resulted in weight gain, better fat absorption, and 100%
success in relieving ALL intestinal cramping.</b>

6) The study also noted that, to achieve it's preventative effects, it
might be sufficient to take l-arginine orally, as a small amount ends up in
the bronchial fluids.

7) Solomons wrote a rebuttal in Pediatrics, 1976, vol. 76, p. 166 where
he criticized the methodology of the East German study, arguing that the
researchers should have dissolved the l-arginine in water, instead of sodium
hydroxide, and that this could actually cause lung inflammation and that
arginine needed to buffered by its own salt.

7) l-arginine should probably not be mixed with saline</i>

I've researched many articles on the subject but don't have the time at the moment to cite them.

I am not entirely sure about what GSH does in the body, but if someone were to supplement GSH and not L-Arginine, then a much smaller benefit is likely. Due to the amount of very promising success stories surrounding GSH (<b>http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/</b>) Adding in L-arginine both internally and inhaled to GSH will increase GSNO in the body/lungs and have promising results.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I started this last night and have since done a dose this morning, I will continue once in the morning and once in the night for a couple weeks and let you guys know how it works out.

I have ordered the l-arginine that you take internally and will start it as soon as it arrives (25grams/day)

Jono

ps. read the article

pss I appologise if this wasn't very cohesively written, I just jotted it all down as it was fresh in my memory.
 

Jonathan

New member
I have recently been studying L-Arginine and its role in CF. L-arginine is a substrate for Nitric Oxide and is believed to be deficient in CF patients.

<i>Nitric Oxide is important for its role in cell signaling,
facilitating the building of muscle tissue, and the uptake of
nutrients and glucose by muscle tissue where it is used for energy
(1, 8). Additionally, NO is responsible for smooth muscle
relaxation and regulating ciliary beat function (1). <b>NO is also
responsible for increased conductance of the CFTR protein, enhancing
chloride transport while down-regulating sodium absorption </b>(1, 3, 6,
7) resulting in increased hydration of endobronchial secretions,
facilitating elimination of bacteria from the lungs (1,7,19). NO
may also decrease neutrophil accumulation in the lung (20, 21).

Finally, NO is known to act as a bactericidal agent against
two of the most prevalent pathogens common in the pathology of
Cystic Fibrosis, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (PA) and Staphylococcus
Aerus (SA) (1, 18). The bactericidal effects of NO work first by
reducing adherence of bacteria in the CF lung, and second by
disrupting microbial functions by interacting with critical
membranes and cellular thiols in bacteria (23, 24, 25). As
adherence is the initial step in establishing infection, augmenting
NO very early in CF would in theory have therapeutic effects (3).</i>

<b>http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/ArginineGSNO.htm</b>

I encourage you to read that whole article as it is VERY interesting and has some very important implications if proven correct.

As a result of the research I have done, I have started inhaling the L-Arginine immediately after I inhale GSH. This will form GSNO in the lungs (refer to article).

GSNO acts as a reserve for both GSH and NO (Nitric Oxide) which are both deficient in the lungs of CF patients.
"Low levels of GSNO in CF airways would seem to account for the affinity of the CF lung to colonize SA and PA since a lack of NO is recognized for increased adherence of bacteria in the CF lung (1, 3, 5, 7). It is reasonable to suggest, therefore, that normalizing airway GSNO in CF will increase host defense against these common CF pathogens."

This next part is taken from: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/wlgroup2/message/100">http://health.groups.yahoo.com...p/wlgroup2/message/100</a> , and is an account from someone who has already inhaled L-arginine in the same way that they did in the study.

<i>Inhaling Buffered L-arginine

1) Be careful to be sure to mix it in the proper proportions, as
inhaling it at the wrong pH could pose a problem.

2) To make the solution, I dissolved 0.9g of l-arginine free-base and
15g of l-arginine hydrochloride in 300ml of purified water. (Solomons
used tap water.) This mixture should have a pH of 7.4-7.6 and should be
refrigerated. In Solomon's study, it was inhaled four times a day for thirty

<b>3) 16-24 hours after I began inhaling it I became extremely congested,
more congested than when I'm sick, and was coughing up the most vile
looking, foulest smelling mucus. Even when I've been sick, it doesn't look
that gross! And "coughing up" is an overstatement: mostly, it just slid out
of it's own accord. This continued for a couple of days. My breath smelled
REALLY bad, too, but this also went away.</b>

4) After inhaling it for a long time, I am sometimes short of breath
for 15-30 minutes afterward, but have found that adding 0.5cc of Ventolin
alleviates this(though I rarely do it).

<b>5) Oral use resulted in weight gain, better fat absorption, and 100%
success in relieving ALL intestinal cramping.</b>

6) The study also noted that, to achieve it's preventative effects, it
might be sufficient to take l-arginine orally, as a small amount ends up in
the bronchial fluids.

7) Solomons wrote a rebuttal in Pediatrics, 1976, vol. 76, p. 166 where
he criticized the methodology of the East German study, arguing that the
researchers should have dissolved the l-arginine in water, instead of sodium
hydroxide, and that this could actually cause lung inflammation and that
arginine needed to buffered by its own salt.

7) l-arginine should probably not be mixed with saline</i>

I've researched many articles on the subject but don't have the time at the moment to cite them.

I am not entirely sure about what GSH does in the body, but if someone were to supplement GSH and not L-Arginine, then a much smaller benefit is likely. Due to the amount of very promising success stories surrounding GSH (<b>http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/</b>) Adding in L-arginine both internally and inhaled to GSH will increase GSNO in the body/lungs and have promising results.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I started this last night and have since done a dose this morning, I will continue once in the morning and once in the night for a couple weeks and let you guys know how it works out.

I have ordered the l-arginine that you take internally and will start it as soon as it arrives (25grams/day)

Jono

ps. read the article

pss I appologise if this wasn't very cohesively written, I just jotted it all down as it was fresh in my memory.
 

Jonathan

New member
I have recently been studying L-Arginine and its role in CF. L-arginine is a substrate for Nitric Oxide and is believed to be deficient in CF patients.

<i>Nitric Oxide is important for its role in cell signaling,
facilitating the building of muscle tissue, and the uptake of
nutrients and glucose by muscle tissue where it is used for energy
(1, 8). Additionally, NO is responsible for smooth muscle
relaxation and regulating ciliary beat function (1). <b>NO is also
responsible for increased conductance of the CFTR protein, enhancing
chloride transport while down-regulating sodium absorption </b>(1, 3, 6,
7) resulting in increased hydration of endobronchial secretions,
facilitating elimination of bacteria from the lungs (1,7,19). NO
may also decrease neutrophil accumulation in the lung (20, 21).

Finally, NO is known to act as a bactericidal agent against
two of the most prevalent pathogens common in the pathology of
Cystic Fibrosis, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (PA) and Staphylococcus
Aerus (SA) (1, 18). The bactericidal effects of NO work first by
reducing adherence of bacteria in the CF lung, and second by
disrupting microbial functions by interacting with critical
membranes and cellular thiols in bacteria (23, 24, 25). As
adherence is the initial step in establishing infection, augmenting
NO very early in CF would in theory have therapeutic effects (3).</i>

<b>http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/ArginineGSNO.htm</b>

I encourage you to read that whole article as it is VERY interesting and has some very important implications if proven correct.

As a result of the research I have done, I have started inhaling the L-Arginine immediately after I inhale GSH. This will form GSNO in the lungs (refer to article).

GSNO acts as a reserve for both GSH and NO (Nitric Oxide) which are both deficient in the lungs of CF patients.
"Low levels of GSNO in CF airways would seem to account for the affinity of the CF lung to colonize SA and PA since a lack of NO is recognized for increased adherence of bacteria in the CF lung (1, 3, 5, 7). It is reasonable to suggest, therefore, that normalizing airway GSNO in CF will increase host defense against these common CF pathogens."

This next part is taken from: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/wlgroup2/message/100">http://health.groups.yahoo.com...p/wlgroup2/message/100</a> , and is an account from someone who has already inhaled L-arginine in the same way that they did in the study.

<i>Inhaling Buffered L-arginine

1) Be careful to be sure to mix it in the proper proportions, as
inhaling it at the wrong pH could pose a problem.

2) To make the solution, I dissolved 0.9g of l-arginine free-base and
15g of l-arginine hydrochloride in 300ml of purified water. (Solomons
used tap water.) This mixture should have a pH of 7.4-7.6 and should be
refrigerated. In Solomon's study, it was inhaled four times a day for thirty

<b>3) 16-24 hours after I began inhaling it I became extremely congested,
more congested than when I'm sick, and was coughing up the most vile
looking, foulest smelling mucus. Even when I've been sick, it doesn't look
that gross! And "coughing up" is an overstatement: mostly, it just slid out
of it's own accord. This continued for a couple of days. My breath smelled
REALLY bad, too, but this also went away.</b>

4) After inhaling it for a long time, I am sometimes short of breath
for 15-30 minutes afterward, but have found that adding 0.5cc of Ventolin
alleviates this(though I rarely do it).

<b>5) Oral use resulted in weight gain, better fat absorption, and 100%
success in relieving ALL intestinal cramping.</b>

6) The study also noted that, to achieve it's preventative effects, it
might be sufficient to take l-arginine orally, as a small amount ends up in
the bronchial fluids.

7) Solomons wrote a rebuttal in Pediatrics, 1976, vol. 76, p. 166 where
he criticized the methodology of the East German study, arguing that the
researchers should have dissolved the l-arginine in water, instead of sodium
hydroxide, and that this could actually cause lung inflammation and that
arginine needed to buffered by its own salt.

7) l-arginine should probably not be mixed with saline</i>

I've researched many articles on the subject but don't have the time at the moment to cite them.

I am not entirely sure about what GSH does in the body, but if someone were to supplement GSH and not L-Arginine, then a much smaller benefit is likely. Due to the amount of very promising success stories surrounding GSH (<b>http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/</b>) Adding in L-arginine both internally and inhaled to GSH will increase GSNO in the body/lungs and have promising results.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I started this last night and have since done a dose this morning, I will continue once in the morning and once in the night for a couple weeks and let you guys know how it works out.

I have ordered the l-arginine that you take internally and will start it as soon as it arrives (25grams/day)

Jono

ps. read the article

pss I appologise if this wasn't very cohesively written, I just jotted it all down as it was fresh in my memory.
 

Jonathan

New member
I have recently been studying L-Arginine and its role in CF. L-arginine is a substrate for Nitric Oxide and is believed to be deficient in CF patients.

<i>Nitric Oxide is important for its role in cell signaling,
facilitating the building of muscle tissue, and the uptake of
nutrients and glucose by muscle tissue where it is used for energy
(1, 8). Additionally, NO is responsible for smooth muscle
relaxation and regulating ciliary beat function (1). <b>NO is also
responsible for increased conductance of the CFTR protein, enhancing
chloride transport while down-regulating sodium absorption </b>(1, 3, 6,
7) resulting in increased hydration of endobronchial secretions,
facilitating elimination of bacteria from the lungs (1,7,19). NO
may also decrease neutrophil accumulation in the lung (20, 21).

Finally, NO is known to act as a bactericidal agent against
two of the most prevalent pathogens common in the pathology of
Cystic Fibrosis, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (PA) and Staphylococcus
Aerus (SA) (1, 18). The bactericidal effects of NO work first by
reducing adherence of bacteria in the CF lung, and second by
disrupting microbial functions by interacting with critical
membranes and cellular thiols in bacteria (23, 24, 25). As
adherence is the initial step in establishing infection, augmenting
NO very early in CF would in theory have therapeutic effects (3).</i>

<b>http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/ArginineGSNO.htm</b>

I encourage you to read that whole article as it is VERY interesting and has some very important implications if proven correct.

As a result of the research I have done, I have started inhaling the L-Arginine immediately after I inhale GSH. This will form GSNO in the lungs (refer to article).

GSNO acts as a reserve for both GSH and NO (Nitric Oxide) which are both deficient in the lungs of CF patients.
"Low levels of GSNO in CF airways would seem to account for the affinity of the CF lung to colonize SA and PA since a lack of NO is recognized for increased adherence of bacteria in the CF lung (1, 3, 5, 7). It is reasonable to suggest, therefore, that normalizing airway GSNO in CF will increase host defense against these common CF pathogens."

This next part is taken from: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/wlgroup2/message/100">http://health.groups.yahoo.com...p/wlgroup2/message/100</a> , and is an account from someone who has already inhaled L-arginine in the same way that they did in the study.

<i>Inhaling Buffered L-arginine

1) Be careful to be sure to mix it in the proper proportions, as
inhaling it at the wrong pH could pose a problem.

2) To make the solution, I dissolved 0.9g of l-arginine free-base and
15g of l-arginine hydrochloride in 300ml of purified water. (Solomons
used tap water.) This mixture should have a pH of 7.4-7.6 and should be
refrigerated. In Solomon's study, it was inhaled four times a day for thirty

<b>3) 16-24 hours after I began inhaling it I became extremely congested,
more congested than when I'm sick, and was coughing up the most vile
looking, foulest smelling mucus. Even when I've been sick, it doesn't look
that gross! And "coughing up" is an overstatement: mostly, it just slid out
of it's own accord. This continued for a couple of days. My breath smelled
REALLY bad, too, but this also went away.</b>

4) After inhaling it for a long time, I am sometimes short of breath
for 15-30 minutes afterward, but have found that adding 0.5cc of Ventolin
alleviates this(though I rarely do it).

<b>5) Oral use resulted in weight gain, better fat absorption, and 100%
success in relieving ALL intestinal cramping.</b>

6) The study also noted that, to achieve it's preventative effects, it
might be sufficient to take l-arginine orally, as a small amount ends up in
the bronchial fluids.

7) Solomons wrote a rebuttal in Pediatrics, 1976, vol. 76, p. 166 where
he criticized the methodology of the East German study, arguing that the
researchers should have dissolved the l-arginine in water, instead of sodium
hydroxide, and that this could actually cause lung inflammation and that
arginine needed to buffered by its own salt.

7) l-arginine should probably not be mixed with saline</i>

I've researched many articles on the subject but don't have the time at the moment to cite them.

I am not entirely sure about what GSH does in the body, but if someone were to supplement GSH and not L-Arginine, then a much smaller benefit is likely. Due to the amount of very promising success stories surrounding GSH (<b>http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/</b>) Adding in L-arginine both internally and inhaled to GSH will increase GSNO in the body/lungs and have promising results.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I started this last night and have since done a dose this morning, I will continue once in the morning and once in the night for a couple weeks and let you guys know how it works out.

I have ordered the l-arginine that you take internally and will start it as soon as it arrives (25grams/day)

Jono

ps. read the article

pss I appologise if this wasn't very cohesively written, I just jotted it all down as it was fresh in my memory.
 

Jonathan

New member
I have recently been studying L-Arginine and its role in CF. L-arginine is a substrate for Nitric Oxide and is believed to be deficient in CF patients.
<br />
<br /><i>Nitric Oxide is important for its role in cell signaling,
<br />facilitating the building of muscle tissue, and the uptake of
<br />nutrients and glucose by muscle tissue where it is used for energy
<br />(1, 8). Additionally, NO is responsible for smooth muscle
<br />relaxation and regulating ciliary beat function (1). <b>NO is also
<br />responsible for increased conductance of the CFTR protein, enhancing
<br />chloride transport while down-regulating sodium absorption </b>(1, 3, 6,
<br />7) resulting in increased hydration of endobronchial secretions,
<br />facilitating elimination of bacteria from the lungs (1,7,19). NO
<br />may also decrease neutrophil accumulation in the lung (20, 21).
<br />
<br />Finally, NO is known to act as a bactericidal agent against
<br />two of the most prevalent pathogens common in the pathology of
<br />Cystic Fibrosis, Pseudomonas Aeruginosa (PA) and Staphylococcus
<br />Aerus (SA) (1, 18). The bactericidal effects of NO work first by
<br />reducing adherence of bacteria in the CF lung, and second by
<br />disrupting microbial functions by interacting with critical
<br />membranes and cellular thiols in bacteria (23, 24, 25). As
<br />adherence is the initial step in establishing infection, augmenting
<br />NO very early in CF would in theory have therapeutic effects (3).</i>
<br />
<br /><b>http://members.tripod.com/uvicf/research/ArginineGSNO.htm</b>
<br />
<br />I encourage you to read that whole article as it is VERY interesting and has some very important implications if proven correct.
<br />
<br />As a result of the research I have done, I have started inhaling the L-Arginine immediately after I inhale GSH. This will form GSNO in the lungs (refer to article).
<br />
<br />GSNO acts as a reserve for both GSH and NO (Nitric Oxide) which are both deficient in the lungs of CF patients.
<br />"Low levels of GSNO in CF airways would seem to account for the affinity of the CF lung to colonize SA and PA since a lack of NO is recognized for increased adherence of bacteria in the CF lung (1, 3, 5, 7). It is reasonable to suggest, therefore, that normalizing airway GSNO in CF will increase host defense against these common CF pathogens."
<br />
<br />This next part is taken from: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/wlgroup2/message/100">http://health.groups.yahoo.com...p/wlgroup2/message/100</a> , and is an account from someone who has already inhaled L-arginine in the same way that they did in the study.
<br />
<br /><i>Inhaling Buffered L-arginine
<br />
<br />1) Be careful to be sure to mix it in the proper proportions, as
<br />inhaling it at the wrong pH could pose a problem.
<br />
<br />2) To make the solution, I dissolved 0.9g of l-arginine free-base and
<br />15g of l-arginine hydrochloride in 300ml of purified water. (Solomons
<br />used tap water.) This mixture should have a pH of 7.4-7.6 and should be
<br />refrigerated. In Solomon's study, it was inhaled four times a day for thirty
<br />
<br /><b>3) 16-24 hours after I began inhaling it I became extremely congested,
<br />more congested than when I'm sick, and was coughing up the most vile
<br />looking, foulest smelling mucus. Even when I've been sick, it doesn't look
<br />that gross! And "coughing up" is an overstatement: mostly, it just slid out
<br />of it's own accord. This continued for a couple of days. My breath smelled
<br />REALLY bad, too, but this also went away.</b>
<br />
<br />4) After inhaling it for a long time, I am sometimes short of breath
<br />for 15-30 minutes afterward, but have found that adding 0.5cc of Ventolin
<br />alleviates this(though I rarely do it).
<br />
<br /><b>5) Oral use resulted in weight gain, better fat absorption, and 100%
<br />success in relieving ALL intestinal cramping.</b>
<br />
<br />6) The study also noted that, to achieve it's preventative effects, it
<br />might be sufficient to take l-arginine orally, as a small amount ends up in
<br />the bronchial fluids.
<br />
<br />7) Solomons wrote a rebuttal in Pediatrics, 1976, vol. 76, p. 166 where
<br />he criticized the methodology of the East German study, arguing that the
<br />researchers should have dissolved the l-arginine in water, instead of sodium
<br />hydroxide, and that this could actually cause lung inflammation and that
<br />arginine needed to buffered by its own salt.
<br />
<br />7) l-arginine should probably not be mixed with saline</i>
<br />
<br />I've researched many articles on the subject but don't have the time at the moment to cite them.
<br />
<br />I am not entirely sure about what GSH does in the body, but if someone were to supplement GSH and not L-Arginine, then a much smaller benefit is likely. Due to the amount of very promising success stories surrounding GSH (<b>http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSH/</b>) Adding in L-arginine both internally and inhaled to GSH will increase GSNO in the body/lungs and have promising results.
<br />
<br />Does anyone have any experience with this?
<br />
<br />I started this last night and have since done a dose this morning, I will continue once in the morning and once in the night for a couple weeks and let you guys know how it works out.
<br />
<br />I have ordered the l-arginine that you take internally and will start it as soon as it arrives (25grams/day)
<br />
<br />Jono
<br />
<br />ps. read the article
<br />
<br />pss I appologise if this wasn't very cohesively written, I just jotted it all down as it was fresh in my memory.
<br />
 

Nightwriter

New member
Hi Jonathan,

I just read the article and I think it is very, very interesting. Of course I'm not sure what to think at this point. I have a few comments. Soloman's studies seemed to have been done in the 70's so why hasn't anybody duplicated his study since, especially since it seemed so promising. And if it has been duplicated, you'd think there would be some major breakthrough.

I am not doubting at all that among all things Nitric Oxide does, including that it can kill Pseudomonas and Staph. So many things work in a test tube. Research has shown that garlic and colloidal silver kill pseudomonas in a test tube to name just two supplements. But how do we get these things to kill these bacteria in people? And what are the dosages? That's one of the problems with supplements as opposed to allopathic medicine where they know exactly how much to give.

The other concern that I have is the purity of the substances being inhaled. Respiratory medicines are prepared in sterile conditions to avoid contamination. Do you know how the L-arginine or the GSH is prepared that people are inhaling? And if it's causing broncho-constriction, can you be sure it won't cause total constriction resulting in a full-on asthma attack?

I do wish that if there is curative value in these substances, researchers would pursue these possibly promising avenues.

I'd like to share with you my own experiment with supplements. A couple of years ago, my house filled with smoke as my neighborhood was the site of a huge L.A. fire. I went into a bad cycle of inflammation/infections that I couldn't seem to break. It got so bad, my culture showed only 1 drug that would work on my Pseudomonas in addition to a newly aquired MRSA. My PFT's dropped.

Desperate, I added 3 things to my usual routine of meds and natural remedies that I already took which had been working so well until the fire --which had caused extreme inflamation in me. So I added Hypertonic Saline, Tumeric, and NAC. I also added these because the CF Foundation was studying them (even though they recommended against "trying this at home" until the studies were done). The cycle of infections stopped, my cultures showed that all drug sensitivities to Pseudomonas returned, and the MRSA turned into regular staph. Then shockingly the cultures starting coming back normal. Only one out of 3 cultures during 2 years picked up Pseudomonas.

My latest culture 2 weeks ago was completely normal again. I have never NOT had Pseudomonas come up on a culture. I'm not saying I don't have Pseudomonas. But it has to be pretty light growth for it not being picked up on several cultures in over about 2 plus years.

Which of the 3 things did it. I don't know. Maybe all three.

My question to you, Jonathan. Have you tried any of these? I mean it's great for everybody that you are using yourself as a guinea pig and I hope that you don't have any detrimental side effects. And it would be sweet if you also find success.

Please keep us posted.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Hi Jonathan,

I just read the article and I think it is very, very interesting. Of course I'm not sure what to think at this point. I have a few comments. Soloman's studies seemed to have been done in the 70's so why hasn't anybody duplicated his study since, especially since it seemed so promising. And if it has been duplicated, you'd think there would be some major breakthrough.

I am not doubting at all that among all things Nitric Oxide does, including that it can kill Pseudomonas and Staph. So many things work in a test tube. Research has shown that garlic and colloidal silver kill pseudomonas in a test tube to name just two supplements. But how do we get these things to kill these bacteria in people? And what are the dosages? That's one of the problems with supplements as opposed to allopathic medicine where they know exactly how much to give.

The other concern that I have is the purity of the substances being inhaled. Respiratory medicines are prepared in sterile conditions to avoid contamination. Do you know how the L-arginine or the GSH is prepared that people are inhaling? And if it's causing broncho-constriction, can you be sure it won't cause total constriction resulting in a full-on asthma attack?

I do wish that if there is curative value in these substances, researchers would pursue these possibly promising avenues.

I'd like to share with you my own experiment with supplements. A couple of years ago, my house filled with smoke as my neighborhood was the site of a huge L.A. fire. I went into a bad cycle of inflammation/infections that I couldn't seem to break. It got so bad, my culture showed only 1 drug that would work on my Pseudomonas in addition to a newly aquired MRSA. My PFT's dropped.

Desperate, I added 3 things to my usual routine of meds and natural remedies that I already took which had been working so well until the fire --which had caused extreme inflamation in me. So I added Hypertonic Saline, Tumeric, and NAC. I also added these because the CF Foundation was studying them (even though they recommended against "trying this at home" until the studies were done). The cycle of infections stopped, my cultures showed that all drug sensitivities to Pseudomonas returned, and the MRSA turned into regular staph. Then shockingly the cultures starting coming back normal. Only one out of 3 cultures during 2 years picked up Pseudomonas.

My latest culture 2 weeks ago was completely normal again. I have never NOT had Pseudomonas come up on a culture. I'm not saying I don't have Pseudomonas. But it has to be pretty light growth for it not being picked up on several cultures in over about 2 plus years.

Which of the 3 things did it. I don't know. Maybe all three.

My question to you, Jonathan. Have you tried any of these? I mean it's great for everybody that you are using yourself as a guinea pig and I hope that you don't have any detrimental side effects. And it would be sweet if you also find success.

Please keep us posted.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Hi Jonathan,

I just read the article and I think it is very, very interesting. Of course I'm not sure what to think at this point. I have a few comments. Soloman's studies seemed to have been done in the 70's so why hasn't anybody duplicated his study since, especially since it seemed so promising. And if it has been duplicated, you'd think there would be some major breakthrough.

I am not doubting at all that among all things Nitric Oxide does, including that it can kill Pseudomonas and Staph. So many things work in a test tube. Research has shown that garlic and colloidal silver kill pseudomonas in a test tube to name just two supplements. But how do we get these things to kill these bacteria in people? And what are the dosages? That's one of the problems with supplements as opposed to allopathic medicine where they know exactly how much to give.

The other concern that I have is the purity of the substances being inhaled. Respiratory medicines are prepared in sterile conditions to avoid contamination. Do you know how the L-arginine or the GSH is prepared that people are inhaling? And if it's causing broncho-constriction, can you be sure it won't cause total constriction resulting in a full-on asthma attack?

I do wish that if there is curative value in these substances, researchers would pursue these possibly promising avenues.

I'd like to share with you my own experiment with supplements. A couple of years ago, my house filled with smoke as my neighborhood was the site of a huge L.A. fire. I went into a bad cycle of inflammation/infections that I couldn't seem to break. It got so bad, my culture showed only 1 drug that would work on my Pseudomonas in addition to a newly aquired MRSA. My PFT's dropped.

Desperate, I added 3 things to my usual routine of meds and natural remedies that I already took which had been working so well until the fire --which had caused extreme inflamation in me. So I added Hypertonic Saline, Tumeric, and NAC. I also added these because the CF Foundation was studying them (even though they recommended against "trying this at home" until the studies were done). The cycle of infections stopped, my cultures showed that all drug sensitivities to Pseudomonas returned, and the MRSA turned into regular staph. Then shockingly the cultures starting coming back normal. Only one out of 3 cultures during 2 years picked up Pseudomonas.

My latest culture 2 weeks ago was completely normal again. I have never NOT had Pseudomonas come up on a culture. I'm not saying I don't have Pseudomonas. But it has to be pretty light growth for it not being picked up on several cultures in over about 2 plus years.

Which of the 3 things did it. I don't know. Maybe all three.

My question to you, Jonathan. Have you tried any of these? I mean it's great for everybody that you are using yourself as a guinea pig and I hope that you don't have any detrimental side effects. And it would be sweet if you also find success.

Please keep us posted.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Hi Jonathan,

I just read the article and I think it is very, very interesting. Of course I'm not sure what to think at this point. I have a few comments. Soloman's studies seemed to have been done in the 70's so why hasn't anybody duplicated his study since, especially since it seemed so promising. And if it has been duplicated, you'd think there would be some major breakthrough.

I am not doubting at all that among all things Nitric Oxide does, including that it can kill Pseudomonas and Staph. So many things work in a test tube. Research has shown that garlic and colloidal silver kill pseudomonas in a test tube to name just two supplements. But how do we get these things to kill these bacteria in people? And what are the dosages? That's one of the problems with supplements as opposed to allopathic medicine where they know exactly how much to give.

The other concern that I have is the purity of the substances being inhaled. Respiratory medicines are prepared in sterile conditions to avoid contamination. Do you know how the L-arginine or the GSH is prepared that people are inhaling? And if it's causing broncho-constriction, can you be sure it won't cause total constriction resulting in a full-on asthma attack?

I do wish that if there is curative value in these substances, researchers would pursue these possibly promising avenues.

I'd like to share with you my own experiment with supplements. A couple of years ago, my house filled with smoke as my neighborhood was the site of a huge L.A. fire. I went into a bad cycle of inflammation/infections that I couldn't seem to break. It got so bad, my culture showed only 1 drug that would work on my Pseudomonas in addition to a newly aquired MRSA. My PFT's dropped.

Desperate, I added 3 things to my usual routine of meds and natural remedies that I already took which had been working so well until the fire --which had caused extreme inflamation in me. So I added Hypertonic Saline, Tumeric, and NAC. I also added these because the CF Foundation was studying them (even though they recommended against "trying this at home" until the studies were done). The cycle of infections stopped, my cultures showed that all drug sensitivities to Pseudomonas returned, and the MRSA turned into regular staph. Then shockingly the cultures starting coming back normal. Only one out of 3 cultures during 2 years picked up Pseudomonas.

My latest culture 2 weeks ago was completely normal again. I have never NOT had Pseudomonas come up on a culture. I'm not saying I don't have Pseudomonas. But it has to be pretty light growth for it not being picked up on several cultures in over about 2 plus years.

Which of the 3 things did it. I don't know. Maybe all three.

My question to you, Jonathan. Have you tried any of these? I mean it's great for everybody that you are using yourself as a guinea pig and I hope that you don't have any detrimental side effects. And it would be sweet if you also find success.

Please keep us posted.
 

Nightwriter

New member
Hi Jonathan,
<br />
<br />I just read the article and I think it is very, very interesting. Of course I'm not sure what to think at this point. I have a few comments. Soloman's studies seemed to have been done in the 70's so why hasn't anybody duplicated his study since, especially since it seemed so promising. And if it has been duplicated, you'd think there would be some major breakthrough.
<br />
<br />I am not doubting at all that among all things Nitric Oxide does, including that it can kill Pseudomonas and Staph. So many things work in a test tube. Research has shown that garlic and colloidal silver kill pseudomonas in a test tube to name just two supplements. But how do we get these things to kill these bacteria in people? And what are the dosages? That's one of the problems with supplements as opposed to allopathic medicine where they know exactly how much to give.
<br />
<br />The other concern that I have is the purity of the substances being inhaled. Respiratory medicines are prepared in sterile conditions to avoid contamination. Do you know how the L-arginine or the GSH is prepared that people are inhaling? And if it's causing broncho-constriction, can you be sure it won't cause total constriction resulting in a full-on asthma attack?
<br />
<br />I do wish that if there is curative value in these substances, researchers would pursue these possibly promising avenues.
<br />
<br />I'd like to share with you my own experiment with supplements. A couple of years ago, my house filled with smoke as my neighborhood was the site of a huge L.A. fire. I went into a bad cycle of inflammation/infections that I couldn't seem to break. It got so bad, my culture showed only 1 drug that would work on my Pseudomonas in addition to a newly aquired MRSA. My PFT's dropped.
<br />
<br />Desperate, I added 3 things to my usual routine of meds and natural remedies that I already took which had been working so well until the fire --which had caused extreme inflamation in me. So I added Hypertonic Saline, Tumeric, and NAC. I also added these because the CF Foundation was studying them (even though they recommended against "trying this at home" until the studies were done). The cycle of infections stopped, my cultures showed that all drug sensitivities to Pseudomonas returned, and the MRSA turned into regular staph. Then shockingly the cultures starting coming back normal. Only one out of 3 cultures during 2 years picked up Pseudomonas.
<br />
<br />My latest culture 2 weeks ago was completely normal again. I have never NOT had Pseudomonas come up on a culture. I'm not saying I don't have Pseudomonas. But it has to be pretty light growth for it not being picked up on several cultures in over about 2 plus years.
<br />
<br />Which of the 3 things did it. I don't know. Maybe all three.
<br />
<br />My question to you, Jonathan. Have you tried any of these? I mean it's great for everybody that you are using yourself as a guinea pig and I hope that you don't have any detrimental side effects. And it would be sweet if you also find success.
<br />
<br />Please keep us posted.
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
 

Jonathan

New member
I found this article recently
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
">http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
</a>but it seems that studies of this sort are few and far between. It could be that there is no possibility of producing a drug from this research and therefore not worth pursuing.
I'm hoping that this is the case and that it wasn't found to be ineffectual.

I make sure I take ventolin before I inhale anything so this would prevent my lungs from closing up.

Nightwriter, congratulations on your last culture, must feel good!
I have tried saline (I do it with the GSH). From what I can tell the main point in taking NAC is that it is a precursor to GSH (glutathione), and since I'm supplementing that in large doses this has been covered already.
I have purchased some curcumin (the active ingredient in tumeric) and will start taking it as soon as I see if this works or not.

the above study had some interesting things in it:
<i> Results: Nebulized L-arginine not only significantly increased exhaled nitric oxide concentrations but also resulted in a sustained improvement of FEV1 in patients with CF. Oxygen saturation also increased significantly after the inhalation of L-arginine. <i>

this was a very short term study so doesn't say anything about longer term use (2 weeks plus)

I get the amino acids from purebulk.com and am confident that i'm getting what i'm paying for. I get the buffered GSH for inhalation form theranaturals, who specialise in GSH.

If anyone is reading this who has not tried GSH, visit this site (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)</a> and have a look at the testimonials, it really is a god send!

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this.
 

Jonathan

New member
I found this article recently
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
">http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
</a>but it seems that studies of this sort are few and far between. It could be that there is no possibility of producing a drug from this research and therefore not worth pursuing.
I'm hoping that this is the case and that it wasn't found to be ineffectual.

I make sure I take ventolin before I inhale anything so this would prevent my lungs from closing up.

Nightwriter, congratulations on your last culture, must feel good!
I have tried saline (I do it with the GSH). From what I can tell the main point in taking NAC is that it is a precursor to GSH (glutathione), and since I'm supplementing that in large doses this has been covered already.
I have purchased some curcumin (the active ingredient in tumeric) and will start taking it as soon as I see if this works or not.

the above study had some interesting things in it:
<i> Results: Nebulized L-arginine not only significantly increased exhaled nitric oxide concentrations but also resulted in a sustained improvement of FEV1 in patients with CF. Oxygen saturation also increased significantly after the inhalation of L-arginine. <i>

this was a very short term study so doesn't say anything about longer term use (2 weeks plus)

I get the amino acids from purebulk.com and am confident that i'm getting what i'm paying for. I get the buffered GSH for inhalation form theranaturals, who specialise in GSH.

If anyone is reading this who has not tried GSH, visit this site (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)</a> and have a look at the testimonials, it really is a god send!

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this.
 

Jonathan

New member
I found this article recently
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
">http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
</a>but it seems that studies of this sort are few and far between. It could be that there is no possibility of producing a drug from this research and therefore not worth pursuing.
I'm hoping that this is the case and that it wasn't found to be ineffectual.

I make sure I take ventolin before I inhale anything so this would prevent my lungs from closing up.

Nightwriter, congratulations on your last culture, must feel good!
I have tried saline (I do it with the GSH). From what I can tell the main point in taking NAC is that it is a precursor to GSH (glutathione), and since I'm supplementing that in large doses this has been covered already.
I have purchased some curcumin (the active ingredient in tumeric) and will start taking it as soon as I see if this works or not.

the above study had some interesting things in it:
<i> Results: Nebulized L-arginine not only significantly increased exhaled nitric oxide concentrations but also resulted in a sustained improvement of FEV1 in patients with CF. Oxygen saturation also increased significantly after the inhalation of L-arginine. <i>

this was a very short term study so doesn't say anything about longer term use (2 weeks plus)

I get the amino acids from purebulk.com and am confident that i'm getting what i'm paying for. I get the buffered GSH for inhalation form theranaturals, who specialise in GSH.

If anyone is reading this who has not tried GSH, visit this site (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)</a> and have a look at the testimonials, it really is a god send!

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this.
 

Jonathan

New member
I found this article recently
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
">http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
</a>but it seems that studies of this sort are few and far between. It could be that there is no possibility of producing a drug from this research and therefore not worth pursuing.
I'm hoping that this is the case and that it wasn't found to be ineffectual.

I make sure I take ventolin before I inhale anything so this would prevent my lungs from closing up.

Nightwriter, congratulations on your last culture, must feel good!
I have tried saline (I do it with the GSH). From what I can tell the main point in taking NAC is that it is a precursor to GSH (glutathione), and since I'm supplementing that in large doses this has been covered already.
I have purchased some curcumin (the active ingredient in tumeric) and will start taking it as soon as I see if this works or not.

the above study had some interesting things in it:
<i> Results: Nebulized L-arginine not only significantly increased exhaled nitric oxide concentrations but also resulted in a sustained improvement of FEV1 in patients with CF. Oxygen saturation also increased significantly after the inhalation of L-arginine. <i>

this was a very short term study so doesn't say anything about longer term use (2 weeks plus)

I get the amino acids from purebulk.com and am confident that i'm getting what i'm paying for. I get the buffered GSH for inhalation form theranaturals, who specialise in GSH.

If anyone is reading this who has not tried GSH, visit this site (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)</a> and have a look at the testimonials, it really is a god send!

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this.
 

Jonathan

New member
I found this article recently
<br /><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
">http://171.66.122.149/cgi/content/full/174/2/208
</a><br />but it seems that studies of this sort are few and far between. It could be that there is no possibility of producing a drug from this research and therefore not worth pursuing.
<br />I'm hoping that this is the case and that it wasn't found to be ineffectual.
<br />
<br />I make sure I take ventolin before I inhale anything so this would prevent my lungs from closing up.
<br />
<br />Nightwriter, congratulations on your last culture, must feel good!
<br />I have tried saline (I do it with the GSH). From what I can tell the main point in taking NAC is that it is a precursor to GSH (glutathione), and since I'm supplementing that in large doses this has been covered already.
<br />I have purchased some curcumin (the active ingredient in tumeric) and will start taking it as soon as I see if this works or not.
<br />
<br />the above study had some interesting things in it:
<br /><i> Results: Nebulized L-arginine not only significantly increased exhaled nitric oxide concentrations but also resulted in a sustained improvement of FEV1 in patients with CF. Oxygen saturation also increased significantly after the inhalation of L-arginine. <i>
<br />
<br />this was a very short term study so doesn't say anything about longer term use (2 weeks plus)
<br />
<br />I get the amino acids from purebulk.com and am confident that i'm getting what i'm paying for. I get the buffered GSH for inhalation form theranaturals, who specialise in GSH.
<br />
<br />If anyone is reading this who has not tried GSH, visit this site (<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)">http://members5.boardhost.com/CFGSHStories/)</a> and have a look at the testimonials, it really is a god send!
<br />
<br />I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this.
 
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