Just Curious

[Dawg]

does it have to be anthiest/cf forum only?
If you google athiest forum you will get a hundred sites you can join.
maybe have your cf related needs met here and athiest needs met on a forum designed for that. their may even be a athiest with disabilities forum out there~~who knows?

 

[Dawg]

does it have to be anthiest/cf forum only?
If you google athiest forum you will get a hundred sites you can join.
maybe have your cf related needs met here and athiest needs met on a forum designed for that. their may even be a athiest with disabilities forum out there~~who knows?

 

[Dawg]

does it have to be anthiest/cf forum only?
If you google athiest forum you will get a hundred sites you can join.
maybe have your cf related needs met here and athiest needs met on a forum designed for that. their may even be a athiest with disabilities forum out there~~who knows?

 

[Dawg]

does it have to be anthiest/cf forum only?
If you google athiest forum you will get a hundred sites you can join.
maybe have your cf related needs met here and athiest needs met on a forum designed for that. their may even be a athiest with disabilities forum out there~~who knows?

 

[Dawg]

does it have to be anthiest/cf forum only?
If you google athiest forum you will get a hundred sites you can join.
maybe have your cf related needs met here and athiest needs met on a forum designed for that. their may even be a athiest with disabilities forum out there~~who knows?

 

[Mockingbird]

You could use the private topic section of the site. Just put a call out there for people who would like to be included in discussions like you're talking about, then you can create a private thread (bottom of the main page) that includes only those people.

 

[Mockingbird]

You could use the private topic section of the site. Just put a call out there for people who would like to be included in discussions like you're talking about, then you can create a private thread (bottom of the main page) that includes only those people.

 

[Mockingbird]

You could use the private topic section of the site. Just put a call out there for people who would like to be included in discussions like you're talking about, then you can create a private thread (bottom of the main page) that includes only those people.

 

[Mockingbird]

You could use the private topic section of the site. Just put a call out there for people who would like to be included in discussions like you're talking about, then you can create a private thread (bottom of the main page) that includes only those people.

 

[Mockingbird]

You could use the private topic section of the site. Just put a call out there for people who would like to be included in discussions like you're talking about, then you can create a private thread (bottom of the main page) that includes only those people.

 

[blondelawyer]

Well, mine was just a paper and nothing as significant as a thesis...and I wrote it over 10 years ago! (Yikes, I certainly feel old now!). But I think that the end point was that a god that knows everything and what will happen seems to be at odds with the cocept of free will. Of course, the answer to that is that god just knows what is going to happen, he doesn't direct it. But again, that it some ways seems contradictory to other Christian beliefs. I wrote a blog not too long ago about religion (if interested check it out at 360.yahoo.com/blondelawyer).

I think that is it pretty ironic that in the course of studying to become a youth pastor I decided that I didn't believe in the party line. Interestingly, the religion profs were probably the most liberal on campus.

For me, religion essentially boils down to faith--faith is the only way to believe in a god while faced with the realities of life and with the teachings of the church and the bible itself. And I am not saying that faith is a bad thing, I am just saying that it doesn't "do it" for me. I can't base my life on that. My other beef with organized religion is the idea that each particular religion has the monopoly on truth--that has got to be the most egocentric notion! RIght now my husband's mom and sister are going gangbusters to bring him back into the fold because they are afraid that he is going to hell!

Anyway, I digress...I am always up for a chat about religion so feel free to PM me or hey, start a blog on 360 and we can exchange comments <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[blondelawyer]

Well, mine was just a paper and nothing as significant as a thesis...and I wrote it over 10 years ago! (Yikes, I certainly feel old now!). But I think that the end point was that a god that knows everything and what will happen seems to be at odds with the cocept of free will. Of course, the answer to that is that god just knows what is going to happen, he doesn't direct it. But again, that it some ways seems contradictory to other Christian beliefs. I wrote a blog not too long ago about religion (if interested check it out at 360.yahoo.com/blondelawyer).

I think that is it pretty ironic that in the course of studying to become a youth pastor I decided that I didn't believe in the party line. Interestingly, the religion profs were probably the most liberal on campus.

For me, religion essentially boils down to faith--faith is the only way to believe in a god while faced with the realities of life and with the teachings of the church and the bible itself. And I am not saying that faith is a bad thing, I am just saying that it doesn't "do it" for me. I can't base my life on that. My other beef with organized religion is the idea that each particular religion has the monopoly on truth--that has got to be the most egocentric notion! RIght now my husband's mom and sister are going gangbusters to bring him back into the fold because they are afraid that he is going to hell!

Anyway, I digress...I am always up for a chat about religion so feel free to PM me or hey, start a blog on 360 and we can exchange comments <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[blondelawyer]

Well, mine was just a paper and nothing as significant as a thesis...and I wrote it over 10 years ago! (Yikes, I certainly feel old now!). But I think that the end point was that a god that knows everything and what will happen seems to be at odds with the cocept of free will. Of course, the answer to that is that god just knows what is going to happen, he doesn't direct it. But again, that it some ways seems contradictory to other Christian beliefs. I wrote a blog not too long ago about religion (if interested check it out at 360.yahoo.com/blondelawyer).

I think that is it pretty ironic that in the course of studying to become a youth pastor I decided that I didn't believe in the party line. Interestingly, the religion profs were probably the most liberal on campus.

For me, religion essentially boils down to faith--faith is the only way to believe in a god while faced with the realities of life and with the teachings of the church and the bible itself. And I am not saying that faith is a bad thing, I am just saying that it doesn't "do it" for me. I can't base my life on that. My other beef with organized religion is the idea that each particular religion has the monopoly on truth--that has got to be the most egocentric notion! RIght now my husband's mom and sister are going gangbusters to bring him back into the fold because they are afraid that he is going to hell!

Anyway, I digress...I am always up for a chat about religion so feel free to PM me or hey, start a blog on 360 and we can exchange comments <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[blondelawyer]

Well, mine was just a paper and nothing as significant as a thesis...and I wrote it over 10 years ago! (Yikes, I certainly feel old now!). But I think that the end point was that a god that knows everything and what will happen seems to be at odds with the cocept of free will. Of course, the answer to that is that god just knows what is going to happen, he doesn't direct it. But again, that it some ways seems contradictory to other Christian beliefs. I wrote a blog not too long ago about religion (if interested check it out at 360.yahoo.com/blondelawyer).

I think that is it pretty ironic that in the course of studying to become a youth pastor I decided that I didn't believe in the party line. Interestingly, the religion profs were probably the most liberal on campus.

For me, religion essentially boils down to faith--faith is the only way to believe in a god while faced with the realities of life and with the teachings of the church and the bible itself. And I am not saying that faith is a bad thing, I am just saying that it doesn't "do it" for me. I can't base my life on that. My other beef with organized religion is the idea that each particular religion has the monopoly on truth--that has got to be the most egocentric notion! RIght now my husband's mom and sister are going gangbusters to bring him back into the fold because they are afraid that he is going to hell!

Anyway, I digress...I am always up for a chat about religion so feel free to PM me or hey, start a blog on 360 and we can exchange comments <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[blondelawyer]

Well, mine was just a paper and nothing as significant as a thesis...and I wrote it over 10 years ago! (Yikes, I certainly feel old now!). But I think that the end point was that a god that knows everything and what will happen seems to be at odds with the cocept of free will. Of course, the answer to that is that god just knows what is going to happen, he doesn't direct it. But again, that it some ways seems contradictory to other Christian beliefs. I wrote a blog not too long ago about religion (if interested check it out at 360.yahoo.com/blondelawyer).

I think that is it pretty ironic that in the course of studying to become a youth pastor I decided that I didn't believe in the party line. Interestingly, the religion profs were probably the most liberal on campus.

For me, religion essentially boils down to faith--faith is the only way to believe in a god while faced with the realities of life and with the teachings of the church and the bible itself. And I am not saying that faith is a bad thing, I am just saying that it doesn't "do it" for me. I can't base my life on that. My other beef with organized religion is the idea that each particular religion has the monopoly on truth--that has got to be the most egocentric notion! RIght now my husband's mom and sister are going gangbusters to bring him back into the fold because they are afraid that he is going to hell!

Anyway, I digress...I am always up for a chat about religion so feel free to PM me or hey, start a blog on 360 and we can exchange comments <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[Ender]

Hey,
Interesting topic...though not sure if i get it fully. I think what you are trying to say is that there are two levels of freedom, biological, and well, societal. We can manipulate the biological aspect of life, obviously, although sometimes i wish it could be a bit better. And then there is free will in general, apart from the biological aspect of it all. From what i get, you don't believe in free will, but rather, a combination of events that created the reality that you live in now.

I'm not gonna pretend, i am no philosophist, but i do like to think. I think we have more freedom then we give on...although a lot of it is steered by environmental factors. You could try to take them out of the equation, but then what would that leave you with?

personally, i think people are just too comfortable with societal norms. It allows the majority (key) of us to live comfortably. It is only when you become the minority that gets screwed, that you start questioning things. Does it all make sense? No. Whatever, you probably already know this.

In terms of free will...I think most of our choices are regulated by our own inhibitions and fear. We are only limited by our fear, and by certain societal norms that govern our world.

Take away societal norms, and what do you have? Chaos? What governs those norms, anyways? Survival of the species, a gut feeling what wrong or right is? does that mean we are inherently good, if we create these laws out of nothing? Or is it transcribed in our genes?

I dunno, i think life is fundamentally good, with societal bullshit skewing our perception. I also think we do have free will. That comes with being concious. Just to question if we have free will or not, doesn't that mean we have the choice?

ps. this is a lot of random thoughts. I have so much stuff going through my head, hard to focus it

 

[Ender]

Hey,
Interesting topic...though not sure if i get it fully. I think what you are trying to say is that there are two levels of freedom, biological, and well, societal. We can manipulate the biological aspect of life, obviously, although sometimes i wish it could be a bit better. And then there is free will in general, apart from the biological aspect of it all. From what i get, you don't believe in free will, but rather, a combination of events that created the reality that you live in now.

I'm not gonna pretend, i am no philosophist, but i do like to think. I think we have more freedom then we give on...although a lot of it is steered by environmental factors. You could try to take them out of the equation, but then what would that leave you with?

personally, i think people are just too comfortable with societal norms. It allows the majority (key) of us to live comfortably. It is only when you become the minority that gets screwed, that you start questioning things. Does it all make sense? No. Whatever, you probably already know this.

In terms of free will...I think most of our choices are regulated by our own inhibitions and fear. We are only limited by our fear, and by certain societal norms that govern our world.

Take away societal norms, and what do you have? Chaos? What governs those norms, anyways? Survival of the species, a gut feeling what wrong or right is? does that mean we are inherently good, if we create these laws out of nothing? Or is it transcribed in our genes?

I dunno, i think life is fundamentally good, with societal bullshit skewing our perception. I also think we do have free will. That comes with being concious. Just to question if we have free will or not, doesn't that mean we have the choice?

ps. this is a lot of random thoughts. I have so much stuff going through my head, hard to focus it

 

[Ender]

Hey,
Interesting topic...though not sure if i get it fully. I think what you are trying to say is that there are two levels of freedom, biological, and well, societal. We can manipulate the biological aspect of life, obviously, although sometimes i wish it could be a bit better. And then there is free will in general, apart from the biological aspect of it all. From what i get, you don't believe in free will, but rather, a combination of events that created the reality that you live in now.

I'm not gonna pretend, i am no philosophist, but i do like to think. I think we have more freedom then we give on...although a lot of it is steered by environmental factors. You could try to take them out of the equation, but then what would that leave you with?

personally, i think people are just too comfortable with societal norms. It allows the majority (key) of us to live comfortably. It is only when you become the minority that gets screwed, that you start questioning things. Does it all make sense? No. Whatever, you probably already know this.

In terms of free will...I think most of our choices are regulated by our own inhibitions and fear. We are only limited by our fear, and by certain societal norms that govern our world.

Take away societal norms, and what do you have? Chaos? What governs those norms, anyways? Survival of the species, a gut feeling what wrong or right is? does that mean we are inherently good, if we create these laws out of nothing? Or is it transcribed in our genes?

I dunno, i think life is fundamentally good, with societal bullshit skewing our perception. I also think we do have free will. That comes with being concious. Just to question if we have free will or not, doesn't that mean we have the choice?

ps. this is a lot of random thoughts. I have so much stuff going through my head, hard to focus it

 

[Ender]

Hey,
Interesting topic...though not sure if i get it fully. I think what you are trying to say is that there are two levels of freedom, biological, and well, societal. We can manipulate the biological aspect of life, obviously, although sometimes i wish it could be a bit better. And then there is free will in general, apart from the biological aspect of it all. From what i get, you don't believe in free will, but rather, a combination of events that created the reality that you live in now.

I'm not gonna pretend, i am no philosophist, but i do like to think. I think we have more freedom then we give on...although a lot of it is steered by environmental factors. You could try to take them out of the equation, but then what would that leave you with?

personally, i think people are just too comfortable with societal norms. It allows the majority (key) of us to live comfortably. It is only when you become the minority that gets screwed, that you start questioning things. Does it all make sense? No. Whatever, you probably already know this.

In terms of free will...I think most of our choices are regulated by our own inhibitions and fear. We are only limited by our fear, and by certain societal norms that govern our world.

Take away societal norms, and what do you have? Chaos? What governs those norms, anyways? Survival of the species, a gut feeling what wrong or right is? does that mean we are inherently good, if we create these laws out of nothing? Or is it transcribed in our genes?

I dunno, i think life is fundamentally good, with societal bullshit skewing our perception. I also think we do have free will. That comes with being concious. Just to question if we have free will or not, doesn't that mean we have the choice?

ps. this is a lot of random thoughts. I have so much stuff going through my head, hard to focus it

 

[Ender]

Hey,
Interesting topic...though not sure if i get it fully. I think what you are trying to say is that there are two levels of freedom, biological, and well, societal. We can manipulate the biological aspect of life, obviously, although sometimes i wish it could be a bit better. And then there is free will in general, apart from the biological aspect of it all. From what i get, you don't believe in free will, but rather, a combination of events that created the reality that you live in now.

I'm not gonna pretend, i am no philosophist, but i do like to think. I think we have more freedom then we give on...although a lot of it is steered by environmental factors. You could try to take them out of the equation, but then what would that leave you with?

personally, i think people are just too comfortable with societal norms. It allows the majority (key) of us to live comfortably. It is only when you become the minority that gets screwed, that you start questioning things. Does it all make sense? No. Whatever, you probably already know this.

In terms of free will...I think most of our choices are regulated by our own inhibitions and fear. We are only limited by our fear, and by certain societal norms that govern our world.

Take away societal norms, and what do you have? Chaos? What governs those norms, anyways? Survival of the species, a gut feeling what wrong or right is? does that mean we are inherently good, if we create these laws out of nothing? Or is it transcribed in our genes?

I dunno, i think life is fundamentally good, with societal bullshit skewing our perception. I also think we do have free will. That comes with being concious. Just to question if we have free will or not, doesn't that mean we have the choice?

ps. this is a lot of random thoughts. I have so much stuff going through my head, hard to focus it