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Blessed4Times

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That's a loaded statement coming from someone who was once married.
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<br />Marriage is an instituation that was designed by GOD. In Malachi, God says that marriage is a covenant, one witnessed and sealed by Him. Without God, the term would not exist!
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<br />You have defined marriage as nothing more than a CIVIL agreement. Breaking a commitment or civil agreement can be done by mutual agreement and you can get up and walk away any time you want. However, a covenant is considered binding, in both the eyes of the land and the eyes of GOD. This is why we have legal marriage. The problem NOW is that society teaches our children to devalue the importance of a legal marriage through its various media outlets. Our society also pays heavily for unmarried couples and single mothers, which you are considered if you aren't legally married.
 
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julie

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what's a loaded statement?

Show me where the bible says that the covenant between man and woman has to be submitted through the state government? Do that and you've got a valid point to your argument.

A man and a woman can enter a covenant without meeting the obligations set fourth by the government, and it would still fulfill the definition set fourth in the bible
 
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julie

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what's a loaded statement?

Show me where the bible says that the covenant between man and woman has to be submitted through the state government? Do that and you've got a valid point to your argument.

A man and a woman can enter a covenant without meeting the obligations set fourth by the government, and it would still fulfill the definition set fourth in the bible
 
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julie

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what's a loaded statement?
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<br />Show me where the bible says that the covenant between man and woman has to be submitted through the state government? Do that and you've got a valid point to your argument.
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<br />A man and a woman can enter a covenant without meeting the obligations set fourth by the government, and it would still fulfill the definition set fourth in the bible
 
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Blessed4Times

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A covenant is nothing more than a verbal or written agreement between two or more people so you are correct. You are also correct that the Bible doesn't explicitly state at what point God considers a couple to be married. My personal belief is to follow the laws of the land as the bible says to (Mark 12:13-17; the same passage appears, slightly modified, in Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26, and Romans 13).

Romans 13:1-2 tells us, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

I interpret this to mean that if the government requires certain "paperwork" to be completed before a marriage is recognized, a couple should submit themselves to whatever process the government requires.

I am entitled to my belief as you are to yours.
 
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Blessed4Times

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A covenant is nothing more than a verbal or written agreement between two or more people so you are correct. You are also correct that the Bible doesn't explicitly state at what point God considers a couple to be married. My personal belief is to follow the laws of the land as the bible says to (Mark 12:13-17; the same passage appears, slightly modified, in Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26, and Romans 13).

Romans 13:1-2 tells us, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

I interpret this to mean that if the government requires certain "paperwork" to be completed before a marriage is recognized, a couple should submit themselves to whatever process the government requires.

I am entitled to my belief as you are to yours.
 
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Blessed4Times

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A covenant is nothing more than a verbal or written agreement between two or more people so you are correct. You are also correct that the Bible doesn't explicitly state at what point God considers a couple to be married. My personal belief is to follow the laws of the land as the bible says to (Mark 12:13-17; the same passage appears, slightly modified, in Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26, and Romans 13).
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<br />Romans 13:1-2 tells us, "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."
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<br />I interpret this to mean that if the government requires certain "paperwork" to be completed before a marriage is recognized, a couple should submit themselves to whatever process the government requires.
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<br />I am entitled to my belief as you are to yours.
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julie

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I personally find the laws of the land FLAWED if it means that people suffer a loss of accessible/affordable health care coverage, food (medicaid and food stamps). Surely the lord does not want us to suffer, in order to appease a system that is not fair to all. Sure, life isn't fair- I get that and agree with it. But I do not think the lord intends for us to set ourselves up to fail. Furthermore, look at our CORRUPT government. It is a system set up to serve those with $$$ and to fail those who do not have it. For me, and for a number of others on this forum, a ceremonial marriage would be satisfactory to fulfill what WE belive God requires. For others, it would not. So take what you can use and leave the rest

I agree, you believe what you believe and I believe as I do. I'm simply trying to SHARE with her (and others) a different point of view on this whole legally versus ceremonially married issue.
 
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julie

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I personally find the laws of the land FLAWED if it means that people suffer a loss of accessible/affordable health care coverage, food (medicaid and food stamps). Surely the lord does not want us to suffer, in order to appease a system that is not fair to all. Sure, life isn't fair- I get that and agree with it. But I do not think the lord intends for us to set ourselves up to fail. Furthermore, look at our CORRUPT government. It is a system set up to serve those with $$$ and to fail those who do not have it. For me, and for a number of others on this forum, a ceremonial marriage would be satisfactory to fulfill what WE belive God requires. For others, it would not. So take what you can use and leave the rest

I agree, you believe what you believe and I believe as I do. I'm simply trying to SHARE with her (and others) a different point of view on this whole legally versus ceremonially married issue.
 
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julie

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I personally find the laws of the land FLAWED if it means that people suffer a loss of accessible/affordable health care coverage, food (medicaid and food stamps). Surely the lord does not want us to suffer, in order to appease a system that is not fair to all. Sure, life isn't fair- I get that and agree with it. But I do not think the lord intends for us to set ourselves up to fail. Furthermore, look at our CORRUPT government. It is a system set up to serve those with $$$ and to fail those who do not have it. For me, and for a number of others on this forum, a ceremonial marriage would be satisfactory to fulfill what WE belive God requires. For others, it would not. So take what you can use and leave the rest
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<br />I agree, you believe what you believe and I believe as I do. I'm simply trying to SHARE with her (and others) a different point of view on this whole legally versus ceremonially married issue.
 
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julie

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Furthermore... New York government just LEGALIZED SAME SEX MARRIAGE. So does that make it allowable since we have to follow the laws of our govt? I rest my case
 
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julie

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Furthermore... New York government just LEGALIZED SAME SEX MARRIAGE. So does that make it allowable since we have to follow the laws of our govt? I rest my case
 
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julie

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Furthermore... New York government just LEGALIZED SAME SEX MARRIAGE. So does that make it allowable since we have to follow the laws of our govt? I rest my case
 
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Blessed4Times

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No, that does not make it allowable. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command as it does in this instance, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law. It's in Acts 5.
 
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Blessed4Times

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No, that does not make it allowable. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command as it does in this instance, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law. It's in Acts 5.
 
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Blessed4Times

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No, that does not make it allowable. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command as it does in this instance, we are to disobey the law of the land and obey God's law. It's in Acts 5.
 
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