Not Diagnosed dF508 & R117H 7T/9T

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Mommafirst

Guest
My daughter does not have those genes, but we were given a similar spiel when she was first discovered to have 2 CF genes in an unknown combination. At the time we were given a "genetic diagnosis" but not a "clinical" one. What we should have done was unfortunately not what we did, because we were overwhelmed and emotional. After about 8 months, my daughter started culturing staph, had lower stool elastase numbers, and started struggling to gain weight and we went to a full clinical diagnosis.

What I should have done in the meantime.... I should have gotten her a life insurance policy, now she'll never be able to get one. I should have gotten a family hospital indemnity plan, the cost would have been sooo low with no medical history. And once I had planned medically and financially for her future, I would have started treatments anyway...

because you just don't know....and you NEVER want to sit there thinking you could have done more, especially if your child is not doing well. I do know that the combination you are dealing with is a controversial one. I do know that there are adults around here with the combination, who didn't develop symptoms until later than others with CF. I don't think you have to go all out and have a million meds and treatments, but daily airway clearance and an albuterol inhaler is not going to be a major inconvenience and could help a good deal in the future -- if only to build a patterned routine that your son won't know any different from.
 
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Mommafirst

Guest
My daughter does not have those genes, but we were given a similar spiel when she was first discovered to have 2 CF genes in an unknown combination. At the time we were given a "genetic diagnosis" but not a "clinical" one. What we should have done was unfortunately not what we did, because we were overwhelmed and emotional. After about 8 months, my daughter started culturing staph, had lower stool elastase numbers, and started struggling to gain weight and we went to a full clinical diagnosis.

What I should have done in the meantime.... I should have gotten her a life insurance policy, now she'll never be able to get one. I should have gotten a family hospital indemnity plan, the cost would have been sooo low with no medical history. And once I had planned medically and financially for her future, I would have started treatments anyway...

because you just don't know....and you NEVER want to sit there thinking you could have done more, especially if your child is not doing well. I do know that the combination you are dealing with is a controversial one. I do know that there are adults around here with the combination, who didn't develop symptoms until later than others with CF. I don't think you have to go all out and have a million meds and treatments, but daily airway clearance and an albuterol inhaler is not going to be a major inconvenience and could help a good deal in the future -- if only to build a patterned routine that your son won't know any different from.
 
M

Mommafirst

Guest
My daughter does not have those genes, but we were given a similar spiel when she was first discovered to have 2 CF genes in an unknown combination. At the time we were given a "genetic diagnosis" but not a "clinical" one. What we should have done was unfortunately not what we did, because we were overwhelmed and emotional. After about 8 months, my daughter started culturing staph, had lower stool elastase numbers, and started struggling to gain weight and we went to a full clinical diagnosis.

What I should have done in the meantime.... I should have gotten her a life insurance policy, now she'll never be able to get one. I should have gotten a family hospital indemnity plan, the cost would have been sooo low with no medical history. And once I had planned medically and financially for her future, I would have started treatments anyway...

because you just don't know....and you NEVER want to sit there thinking you could have done more, especially if your child is not doing well. I do know that the combination you are dealing with is a controversial one. I do know that there are adults around here with the combination, who didn't develop symptoms until later than others with CF. I don't think you have to go all out and have a million meds and treatments, but daily airway clearance and an albuterol inhaler is not going to be a major inconvenience and could help a good deal in the future -- if only to build a patterned routine that your son won't know any different from.
 
M

Mommafirst

Guest
My daughter does not have those genes, but we were given a similar spiel when she was first discovered to have 2 CF genes in an unknown combination. At the time we were given a "genetic diagnosis" but not a "clinical" one. What we should have done was unfortunately not what we did, because we were overwhelmed and emotional. After about 8 months, my daughter started culturing staph, had lower stool elastase numbers, and started struggling to gain weight and we went to a full clinical diagnosis.

What I should have done in the meantime.... I should have gotten her a life insurance policy, now she'll never be able to get one. I should have gotten a family hospital indemnity plan, the cost would have been sooo low with no medical history. And once I had planned medically and financially for her future, I would have started treatments anyway...

because you just don't know....and you NEVER want to sit there thinking you could have done more, especially if your child is not doing well. I do know that the combination you are dealing with is a controversial one. I do know that there are adults around here with the combination, who didn't develop symptoms until later than others with CF. I don't think you have to go all out and have a million meds and treatments, but daily airway clearance and an albuterol inhaler is not going to be a major inconvenience and could help a good deal in the future -- if only to build a patterned routine that your son won't know any different from.
 
M

Mommafirst

Guest
My daughter does not have those genes, but we were given a similar spiel when she was first discovered to have 2 CF genes in an unknown combination. At the time we were given a "genetic diagnosis" but not a "clinical" one. What we should have done was unfortunately not what we did, because we were overwhelmed and emotional. After about 8 months, my daughter started culturing staph, had lower stool elastase numbers, and started struggling to gain weight and we went to a full clinical diagnosis.
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<br />What I should have done in the meantime.... I should have gotten her a life insurance policy, now she'll never be able to get one. I should have gotten a family hospital indemnity plan, the cost would have been sooo low with no medical history. And once I had planned medically and financially for her future, I would have started treatments anyway...
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<br />because you just don't know....and you NEVER want to sit there thinking you could have done more, especially if your child is not doing well. I do know that the combination you are dealing with is a controversial one. I do know that there are adults around here with the combination, who didn't develop symptoms until later than others with CF. I don't think you have to go all out and have a million meds and treatments, but daily airway clearance and an albuterol inhaler is not going to be a major inconvenience and could help a good deal in the future -- if only to build a patterned routine that your son won't know any different from.
 

zoe4life

New member
Here is a link to an article that I ran across, read, then wrote to the person who wrote it. His article is first, then the letter I wrote him, then his response.
My sons are now 18 and 13, still have not one single sypmtom of CF. One is going into the military. There is a good chance they might have ABVD, but haven't had them tested yet. Hope some of this helps!
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1260?submit.y=14&submit.x=161&submit=sendit&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
">http://pediatrics.aappublicati...t&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
</a>
You are going to find this extremely interesting....in October, I also ran across this article. Since I have 2 sons with these genes, I decided to write to Dr. Sullivan. I am going to try to paste here what all was said between us:


Dr. O'Sullivan,

Hello, my name is Jada Ose. I have come across your article "Early Pulmonary Manifestation of Cystic Fibrosis in Children With the DeltaF508/R117H-7T/9T" on the Internet. Let me give you a little background information first.

I am a 41 year old mother to eight biological children. I had 6 children from a previous marriage when my husband and I met. We married and had 2 children together. Our youngest, Zoe, is 3 1/2 presently. At her 2 week appt., she had not gained back her birth weight. Dr. chalked it up to me having my 8th child and not taking the adequate time to breastfeed her the "hind" milk. Gave me another week to try making sure she "emptied" the breast. Next weight check...still no weight gain. He had me supplement her with "easily-digested" formula. Next appt....she had gained a few ounces. We kept her on supplemental formula for a few more weeks, which at that time, she had gained a few more ounces. We then took her off supplemental formula to be solely breastfed. She cried a lot, didn't sleep well, gagged on her milk constantly, throwing it up. She had loose, very frequent, smelly, oily bowels. I took her to the pediatricians office 23 times by the time she was 10 months old. He finally admitted her to the Savannah, Ga. hospital because her protein levels were at an alert level. To no avail, they decided she just wasn't eating enough. At this time, she was 11 months old, could not tolerate ANY food of any type. The most pureed baby food made her choke and gag. She was having 10-14 stools a day. She just breastfed. After 2 more weeks had passed and she started to lose weight, her doctor decided it was out of his hands, she needed to see a specialist. He referred her to a gastro doctor at Nemours Children's Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. Dr. George (gastro) admitted her to Wolfson Children's Hospital in Jacksonville. In 2 days, he had done every test imaginable to try to diagnosis Zoe. She turned 1 year old in the hospital, weighed just 14 lbs., and got the diagnosis of Cystic Fibrosis all on the same day. Her sweat levels were 108 and 115. Her genes are DeltaF508 and 1717-1-GA. She has done very well since diagnosis. She is on Creon5, Pulmozyme, Albuterol, Zyrte c, Zantac, Vitamax, Nasonex, vest therapy twice a day. She has had 2 hospitalizations since diagnosis. One overnight for a small bowel obstruction. The other this past May for sinus/pulmonary exacerbations.

In March of this year, we decided to have the other 7 children's genes done, so they would know for in the future if they were a carrier or not. Zoe's full sibling, Sydney, who is 6, is a carrier of the DeltaF508.
To my complete shock, I have done the unimaginable by marrying 2 separate men in my lifetime that are both carriers. Two of my boys from my previous marriage have the genes DeltaF508 and R117H-7T/9T.
Caleb is 16, Alex is 11. The only remote symptoms in their life are these:
Caleb: Jaundice for 2 weeks as a baby, has always been tiny, has exercise induced trouble breathing, a very "seal-bark" sounding cough since he was little.

Alex: Rectal pro lapse around the age of 2 that required surgery.

They have had all the normal cf testing done...

Caleb: sweat level of 52 & 53, pft over 100, x-ray showed hyperinflation and some bronchial markings, ct showed no hyperinflation and minimal markings, stool sample showed him to be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Alex: sweat level of 49 & 51, pft right at 100, x-rays normal, stool sample showed him to also be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Their cf doctor, who is Zoe's also, is the head of our cf clinic here in Jacksonville, Dr. Bonnie Hudak. She has chosen at this time, to not put a diagnosis of "cf" on them. Caleb would like to join the Coast Guard and she knows that would interfere greatly. I supported her decision completely.

I have been doing some research since, coming across your article and others. There is obviously a big debate as to how, who and when we treat these patients. I also am at a loss. I do not want to not be pro-active in their health care, to later have it cause them to have permanent lung damage.
I thought maybe you might have some more insight into this, hence, why I am writing you. I also wanted to volunteer our families information for any studies, if it would help.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,

Jada M. Ose














Jada:

Thank you for sharing you amazing story with me. Since CF carriers are found in 1 in 25-30 people, the likelihood of you marrying two men who are carriers is 1/25 x 1/25 = 1 in 625 to 1 in 900. Have you considered buying a lottery ticket????

First, let me say, seriously, that I feel for you...having a child who is sick and not growing well and for whom it takes months for the right diagnosis to be made is extremely trying and difficult. I hope all is better now. Certainly, you have a great CF doctor in Bonnie Hudak.

Next, let me say there is risk in checking for genetic predispositions to disease. We all have some predisposition to some disease. It may be good to know about this in some cases (a woman with a predisposition to breast cancer can make sure she gets frequent check ups) but ay not be so good in other cases (knowledge may cause a great deal of angst about something that may never happen, for example in those with a small but real increase risk for some other disease). Our geneticists strongly recommend we NOT get CF genetic testing on asymptomatic siblings with the thought that it is not clinically indicated in a well child and that the child should have the right to chose for him or herself as an adult making reproductive choices of his own whether or not to find out he is a carrier. Of course, in this case you got more information than you wanted. Always a dangerous situation. But, we cannot undo the fact that you have the knowledge. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

So, what to do? I agree with Dr. Hudak, calling them "CF" patients at this time might not be valid. However, the borderline elevated sweat test and known genetics means that they should be followed at some frequency in a CF Center (annually?? no one knows) to make sure they are okay. Although the actual number of people with dF508/R117H-7T in the real world is not known, it is likely that many (most?) of the people with this combination have little or no CF-related disease. There seems to be an increased risk of infertility in males with this genotype. Some may develop mild lung disease. Virtually all are pancreatic sufficient. We have 3 infants with true lung disease, but I know of many others who are adults and are well.

I would suggest that you discuss this difficult and delicate matter with Dr. Hudak and follow her lead. She is doing what we would do. I would also suggest that the boys be entered into the CF registry when and if there is a parallel registry of people with CFTR-associated illnesses that are not true CF.

I hope this helps.

Brian

Brian P. O'Sullivan, MD
Professor of Pediatrics
Chair, Institutional Review Board
UMass Memorial Healthcare
55 Lake Ave.
Worcester, MA 01655

Tele: 508-856-4155
Fax: 508-856-2069
e-mail: osullivb@ummhc.org
 

zoe4life

New member
Here is a link to an article that I ran across, read, then wrote to the person who wrote it. His article is first, then the letter I wrote him, then his response.
My sons are now 18 and 13, still have not one single sypmtom of CF. One is going into the military. There is a good chance they might have ABVD, but haven't had them tested yet. Hope some of this helps!
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1260?submit.y=14&submit.x=161&submit=sendit&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
">http://pediatrics.aappublicati...t&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
</a>
You are going to find this extremely interesting....in October, I also ran across this article. Since I have 2 sons with these genes, I decided to write to Dr. Sullivan. I am going to try to paste here what all was said between us:


Dr. O'Sullivan,

Hello, my name is Jada Ose. I have come across your article "Early Pulmonary Manifestation of Cystic Fibrosis in Children With the DeltaF508/R117H-7T/9T" on the Internet. Let me give you a little background information first.

I am a 41 year old mother to eight biological children. I had 6 children from a previous marriage when my husband and I met. We married and had 2 children together. Our youngest, Zoe, is 3 1/2 presently. At her 2 week appt., she had not gained back her birth weight. Dr. chalked it up to me having my 8th child and not taking the adequate time to breastfeed her the "hind" milk. Gave me another week to try making sure she "emptied" the breast. Next weight check...still no weight gain. He had me supplement her with "easily-digested" formula. Next appt....she had gained a few ounces. We kept her on supplemental formula for a few more weeks, which at that time, she had gained a few more ounces. We then took her off supplemental formula to be solely breastfed. She cried a lot, didn't sleep well, gagged on her milk constantly, throwing it up. She had loose, very frequent, smelly, oily bowels. I took her to the pediatricians office 23 times by the time she was 10 months old. He finally admitted her to the Savannah, Ga. hospital because her protein levels were at an alert level. To no avail, they decided she just wasn't eating enough. At this time, she was 11 months old, could not tolerate ANY food of any type. The most pureed baby food made her choke and gag. She was having 10-14 stools a day. She just breastfed. After 2 more weeks had passed and she started to lose weight, her doctor decided it was out of his hands, she needed to see a specialist. He referred her to a gastro doctor at Nemours Children's Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. Dr. George (gastro) admitted her to Wolfson Children's Hospital in Jacksonville. In 2 days, he had done every test imaginable to try to diagnosis Zoe. She turned 1 year old in the hospital, weighed just 14 lbs., and got the diagnosis of Cystic Fibrosis all on the same day. Her sweat levels were 108 and 115. Her genes are DeltaF508 and 1717-1-GA. She has done very well since diagnosis. She is on Creon5, Pulmozyme, Albuterol, Zyrte c, Zantac, Vitamax, Nasonex, vest therapy twice a day. She has had 2 hospitalizations since diagnosis. One overnight for a small bowel obstruction. The other this past May for sinus/pulmonary exacerbations.

In March of this year, we decided to have the other 7 children's genes done, so they would know for in the future if they were a carrier or not. Zoe's full sibling, Sydney, who is 6, is a carrier of the DeltaF508.
To my complete shock, I have done the unimaginable by marrying 2 separate men in my lifetime that are both carriers. Two of my boys from my previous marriage have the genes DeltaF508 and R117H-7T/9T.
Caleb is 16, Alex is 11. The only remote symptoms in their life are these:
Caleb: Jaundice for 2 weeks as a baby, has always been tiny, has exercise induced trouble breathing, a very "seal-bark" sounding cough since he was little.

Alex: Rectal pro lapse around the age of 2 that required surgery.

They have had all the normal cf testing done...

Caleb: sweat level of 52 & 53, pft over 100, x-ray showed hyperinflation and some bronchial markings, ct showed no hyperinflation and minimal markings, stool sample showed him to be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Alex: sweat level of 49 & 51, pft right at 100, x-rays normal, stool sample showed him to also be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Their cf doctor, who is Zoe's also, is the head of our cf clinic here in Jacksonville, Dr. Bonnie Hudak. She has chosen at this time, to not put a diagnosis of "cf" on them. Caleb would like to join the Coast Guard and she knows that would interfere greatly. I supported her decision completely.

I have been doing some research since, coming across your article and others. There is obviously a big debate as to how, who and when we treat these patients. I also am at a loss. I do not want to not be pro-active in their health care, to later have it cause them to have permanent lung damage.
I thought maybe you might have some more insight into this, hence, why I am writing you. I also wanted to volunteer our families information for any studies, if it would help.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,

Jada M. Ose














Jada:

Thank you for sharing you amazing story with me. Since CF carriers are found in 1 in 25-30 people, the likelihood of you marrying two men who are carriers is 1/25 x 1/25 = 1 in 625 to 1 in 900. Have you considered buying a lottery ticket????

First, let me say, seriously, that I feel for you...having a child who is sick and not growing well and for whom it takes months for the right diagnosis to be made is extremely trying and difficult. I hope all is better now. Certainly, you have a great CF doctor in Bonnie Hudak.

Next, let me say there is risk in checking for genetic predispositions to disease. We all have some predisposition to some disease. It may be good to know about this in some cases (a woman with a predisposition to breast cancer can make sure she gets frequent check ups) but ay not be so good in other cases (knowledge may cause a great deal of angst about something that may never happen, for example in those with a small but real increase risk for some other disease). Our geneticists strongly recommend we NOT get CF genetic testing on asymptomatic siblings with the thought that it is not clinically indicated in a well child and that the child should have the right to chose for him or herself as an adult making reproductive choices of his own whether or not to find out he is a carrier. Of course, in this case you got more information than you wanted. Always a dangerous situation. But, we cannot undo the fact that you have the knowledge. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

So, what to do? I agree with Dr. Hudak, calling them "CF" patients at this time might not be valid. However, the borderline elevated sweat test and known genetics means that they should be followed at some frequency in a CF Center (annually?? no one knows) to make sure they are okay. Although the actual number of people with dF508/R117H-7T in the real world is not known, it is likely that many (most?) of the people with this combination have little or no CF-related disease. There seems to be an increased risk of infertility in males with this genotype. Some may develop mild lung disease. Virtually all are pancreatic sufficient. We have 3 infants with true lung disease, but I know of many others who are adults and are well.

I would suggest that you discuss this difficult and delicate matter with Dr. Hudak and follow her lead. She is doing what we would do. I would also suggest that the boys be entered into the CF registry when and if there is a parallel registry of people with CFTR-associated illnesses that are not true CF.

I hope this helps.

Brian

Brian P. O'Sullivan, MD
Professor of Pediatrics
Chair, Institutional Review Board
UMass Memorial Healthcare
55 Lake Ave.
Worcester, MA 01655

Tele: 508-856-4155
Fax: 508-856-2069
e-mail: osullivb@ummhc.org
 

zoe4life

New member
Here is a link to an article that I ran across, read, then wrote to the person who wrote it. His article is first, then the letter I wrote him, then his response.
My sons are now 18 and 13, still have not one single sypmtom of CF. One is going into the military. There is a good chance they might have ABVD, but haven't had them tested yet. Hope some of this helps!
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1260?submit.y=14&submit.x=161&submit=sendit&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
">http://pediatrics.aappublicati...t&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
</a>
You are going to find this extremely interesting....in October, I also ran across this article. Since I have 2 sons with these genes, I decided to write to Dr. Sullivan. I am going to try to paste here what all was said between us:


Dr. O'Sullivan,

Hello, my name is Jada Ose. I have come across your article "Early Pulmonary Manifestation of Cystic Fibrosis in Children With the DeltaF508/R117H-7T/9T" on the Internet. Let me give you a little background information first.

I am a 41 year old mother to eight biological children. I had 6 children from a previous marriage when my husband and I met. We married and had 2 children together. Our youngest, Zoe, is 3 1/2 presently. At her 2 week appt., she had not gained back her birth weight. Dr. chalked it up to me having my 8th child and not taking the adequate time to breastfeed her the "hind" milk. Gave me another week to try making sure she "emptied" the breast. Next weight check...still no weight gain. He had me supplement her with "easily-digested" formula. Next appt....she had gained a few ounces. We kept her on supplemental formula for a few more weeks, which at that time, she had gained a few more ounces. We then took her off supplemental formula to be solely breastfed. She cried a lot, didn't sleep well, gagged on her milk constantly, throwing it up. She had loose, very frequent, smelly, oily bowels. I took her to the pediatricians office 23 times by the time she was 10 months old. He finally admitted her to the Savannah, Ga. hospital because her protein levels were at an alert level. To no avail, they decided she just wasn't eating enough. At this time, she was 11 months old, could not tolerate ANY food of any type. The most pureed baby food made her choke and gag. She was having 10-14 stools a day. She just breastfed. After 2 more weeks had passed and she started to lose weight, her doctor decided it was out of his hands, she needed to see a specialist. He referred her to a gastro doctor at Nemours Children's Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. Dr. George (gastro) admitted her to Wolfson Children's Hospital in Jacksonville. In 2 days, he had done every test imaginable to try to diagnosis Zoe. She turned 1 year old in the hospital, weighed just 14 lbs., and got the diagnosis of Cystic Fibrosis all on the same day. Her sweat levels were 108 and 115. Her genes are DeltaF508 and 1717-1-GA. She has done very well since diagnosis. She is on Creon5, Pulmozyme, Albuterol, Zyrte c, Zantac, Vitamax, Nasonex, vest therapy twice a day. She has had 2 hospitalizations since diagnosis. One overnight for a small bowel obstruction. The other this past May for sinus/pulmonary exacerbations.

In March of this year, we decided to have the other 7 children's genes done, so they would know for in the future if they were a carrier or not. Zoe's full sibling, Sydney, who is 6, is a carrier of the DeltaF508.
To my complete shock, I have done the unimaginable by marrying 2 separate men in my lifetime that are both carriers. Two of my boys from my previous marriage have the genes DeltaF508 and R117H-7T/9T.
Caleb is 16, Alex is 11. The only remote symptoms in their life are these:
Caleb: Jaundice for 2 weeks as a baby, has always been tiny, has exercise induced trouble breathing, a very "seal-bark" sounding cough since he was little.

Alex: Rectal pro lapse around the age of 2 that required surgery.

They have had all the normal cf testing done...

Caleb: sweat level of 52 & 53, pft over 100, x-ray showed hyperinflation and some bronchial markings, ct showed no hyperinflation and minimal markings, stool sample showed him to be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Alex: sweat level of 49 & 51, pft right at 100, x-rays normal, stool sample showed him to also be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Their cf doctor, who is Zoe's also, is the head of our cf clinic here in Jacksonville, Dr. Bonnie Hudak. She has chosen at this time, to not put a diagnosis of "cf" on them. Caleb would like to join the Coast Guard and she knows that would interfere greatly. I supported her decision completely.

I have been doing some research since, coming across your article and others. There is obviously a big debate as to how, who and when we treat these patients. I also am at a loss. I do not want to not be pro-active in their health care, to later have it cause them to have permanent lung damage.
I thought maybe you might have some more insight into this, hence, why I am writing you. I also wanted to volunteer our families information for any studies, if it would help.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,

Jada M. Ose














Jada:

Thank you for sharing you amazing story with me. Since CF carriers are found in 1 in 25-30 people, the likelihood of you marrying two men who are carriers is 1/25 x 1/25 = 1 in 625 to 1 in 900. Have you considered buying a lottery ticket????

First, let me say, seriously, that I feel for you...having a child who is sick and not growing well and for whom it takes months for the right diagnosis to be made is extremely trying and difficult. I hope all is better now. Certainly, you have a great CF doctor in Bonnie Hudak.

Next, let me say there is risk in checking for genetic predispositions to disease. We all have some predisposition to some disease. It may be good to know about this in some cases (a woman with a predisposition to breast cancer can make sure she gets frequent check ups) but ay not be so good in other cases (knowledge may cause a great deal of angst about something that may never happen, for example in those with a small but real increase risk for some other disease). Our geneticists strongly recommend we NOT get CF genetic testing on asymptomatic siblings with the thought that it is not clinically indicated in a well child and that the child should have the right to chose for him or herself as an adult making reproductive choices of his own whether or not to find out he is a carrier. Of course, in this case you got more information than you wanted. Always a dangerous situation. But, we cannot undo the fact that you have the knowledge. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

So, what to do? I agree with Dr. Hudak, calling them "CF" patients at this time might not be valid. However, the borderline elevated sweat test and known genetics means that they should be followed at some frequency in a CF Center (annually?? no one knows) to make sure they are okay. Although the actual number of people with dF508/R117H-7T in the real world is not known, it is likely that many (most?) of the people with this combination have little or no CF-related disease. There seems to be an increased risk of infertility in males with this genotype. Some may develop mild lung disease. Virtually all are pancreatic sufficient. We have 3 infants with true lung disease, but I know of many others who are adults and are well.

I would suggest that you discuss this difficult and delicate matter with Dr. Hudak and follow her lead. She is doing what we would do. I would also suggest that the boys be entered into the CF registry when and if there is a parallel registry of people with CFTR-associated illnesses that are not true CF.

I hope this helps.

Brian

Brian P. O'Sullivan, MD
Professor of Pediatrics
Chair, Institutional Review Board
UMass Memorial Healthcare
55 Lake Ave.
Worcester, MA 01655

Tele: 508-856-4155
Fax: 508-856-2069
e-mail: osullivb@ummhc.org
 

zoe4life

New member
Here is a link to an article that I ran across, read, then wrote to the person who wrote it. His article is first, then the letter I wrote him, then his response.
My sons are now 18 and 13, still have not one single sypmtom of CF. One is going into the military. There is a good chance they might have ABVD, but haven't had them tested yet. Hope some of this helps!
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1260?submit.y=14&submit.x=161&submit=sendit&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
">http://pediatrics.aappublicati...t&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
</a>
You are going to find this extremely interesting....in October, I also ran across this article. Since I have 2 sons with these genes, I decided to write to Dr. Sullivan. I am going to try to paste here what all was said between us:


Dr. O'Sullivan,

Hello, my name is Jada Ose. I have come across your article "Early Pulmonary Manifestation of Cystic Fibrosis in Children With the DeltaF508/R117H-7T/9T" on the Internet. Let me give you a little background information first.

I am a 41 year old mother to eight biological children. I had 6 children from a previous marriage when my husband and I met. We married and had 2 children together. Our youngest, Zoe, is 3 1/2 presently. At her 2 week appt., she had not gained back her birth weight. Dr. chalked it up to me having my 8th child and not taking the adequate time to breastfeed her the "hind" milk. Gave me another week to try making sure she "emptied" the breast. Next weight check...still no weight gain. He had me supplement her with "easily-digested" formula. Next appt....she had gained a few ounces. We kept her on supplemental formula for a few more weeks, which at that time, she had gained a few more ounces. We then took her off supplemental formula to be solely breastfed. She cried a lot, didn't sleep well, gagged on her milk constantly, throwing it up. She had loose, very frequent, smelly, oily bowels. I took her to the pediatricians office 23 times by the time she was 10 months old. He finally admitted her to the Savannah, Ga. hospital because her protein levels were at an alert level. To no avail, they decided she just wasn't eating enough. At this time, she was 11 months old, could not tolerate ANY food of any type. The most pureed baby food made her choke and gag. She was having 10-14 stools a day. She just breastfed. After 2 more weeks had passed and she started to lose weight, her doctor decided it was out of his hands, she needed to see a specialist. He referred her to a gastro doctor at Nemours Children's Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. Dr. George (gastro) admitted her to Wolfson Children's Hospital in Jacksonville. In 2 days, he had done every test imaginable to try to diagnosis Zoe. She turned 1 year old in the hospital, weighed just 14 lbs., and got the diagnosis of Cystic Fibrosis all on the same day. Her sweat levels were 108 and 115. Her genes are DeltaF508 and 1717-1-GA. She has done very well since diagnosis. She is on Creon5, Pulmozyme, Albuterol, Zyrte c, Zantac, Vitamax, Nasonex, vest therapy twice a day. She has had 2 hospitalizations since diagnosis. One overnight for a small bowel obstruction. The other this past May for sinus/pulmonary exacerbations.

In March of this year, we decided to have the other 7 children's genes done, so they would know for in the future if they were a carrier or not. Zoe's full sibling, Sydney, who is 6, is a carrier of the DeltaF508.
To my complete shock, I have done the unimaginable by marrying 2 separate men in my lifetime that are both carriers. Two of my boys from my previous marriage have the genes DeltaF508 and R117H-7T/9T.
Caleb is 16, Alex is 11. The only remote symptoms in their life are these:
Caleb: Jaundice for 2 weeks as a baby, has always been tiny, has exercise induced trouble breathing, a very "seal-bark" sounding cough since he was little.

Alex: Rectal pro lapse around the age of 2 that required surgery.

They have had all the normal cf testing done...

Caleb: sweat level of 52 & 53, pft over 100, x-ray showed hyperinflation and some bronchial markings, ct showed no hyperinflation and minimal markings, stool sample showed him to be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Alex: sweat level of 49 & 51, pft right at 100, x-rays normal, stool sample showed him to also be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.

Their cf doctor, who is Zoe's also, is the head of our cf clinic here in Jacksonville, Dr. Bonnie Hudak. She has chosen at this time, to not put a diagnosis of "cf" on them. Caleb would like to join the Coast Guard and she knows that would interfere greatly. I supported her decision completely.

I have been doing some research since, coming across your article and others. There is obviously a big debate as to how, who and when we treat these patients. I also am at a loss. I do not want to not be pro-active in their health care, to later have it cause them to have permanent lung damage.
I thought maybe you might have some more insight into this, hence, why I am writing you. I also wanted to volunteer our families information for any studies, if it would help.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this and I look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,

Jada M. Ose














Jada:

Thank you for sharing you amazing story with me. Since CF carriers are found in 1 in 25-30 people, the likelihood of you marrying two men who are carriers is 1/25 x 1/25 = 1 in 625 to 1 in 900. Have you considered buying a lottery ticket????

First, let me say, seriously, that I feel for you...having a child who is sick and not growing well and for whom it takes months for the right diagnosis to be made is extremely trying and difficult. I hope all is better now. Certainly, you have a great CF doctor in Bonnie Hudak.

Next, let me say there is risk in checking for genetic predispositions to disease. We all have some predisposition to some disease. It may be good to know about this in some cases (a woman with a predisposition to breast cancer can make sure she gets frequent check ups) but ay not be so good in other cases (knowledge may cause a great deal of angst about something that may never happen, for example in those with a small but real increase risk for some other disease). Our geneticists strongly recommend we NOT get CF genetic testing on asymptomatic siblings with the thought that it is not clinically indicated in a well child and that the child should have the right to chose for him or herself as an adult making reproductive choices of his own whether or not to find out he is a carrier. Of course, in this case you got more information than you wanted. Always a dangerous situation. But, we cannot undo the fact that you have the knowledge. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

So, what to do? I agree with Dr. Hudak, calling them "CF" patients at this time might not be valid. However, the borderline elevated sweat test and known genetics means that they should be followed at some frequency in a CF Center (annually?? no one knows) to make sure they are okay. Although the actual number of people with dF508/R117H-7T in the real world is not known, it is likely that many (most?) of the people with this combination have little or no CF-related disease. There seems to be an increased risk of infertility in males with this genotype. Some may develop mild lung disease. Virtually all are pancreatic sufficient. We have 3 infants with true lung disease, but I know of many others who are adults and are well.

I would suggest that you discuss this difficult and delicate matter with Dr. Hudak and follow her lead. She is doing what we would do. I would also suggest that the boys be entered into the CF registry when and if there is a parallel registry of people with CFTR-associated illnesses that are not true CF.

I hope this helps.

Brian

Brian P. O'Sullivan, MD
Professor of Pediatrics
Chair, Institutional Review Board
UMass Memorial Healthcare
55 Lake Ave.
Worcester, MA 01655

Tele: 508-856-4155
Fax: 508-856-2069
e-mail: osullivb@ummhc.org
 

zoe4life

New member
Here is a link to an article that I ran across, read, then wrote to the person who wrote it. His article is first, then the letter I wrote him, then his response.
<br />My sons are now 18 and 13, still have not one single sypmtom of CF. One is going into the military. There is a good chance they might have ABVD, but haven't had them tested yet. Hope some of this helps!
<br /> <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/3/1260?submit.y=14&submit.x=161&submit=sendit&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
">http://pediatrics.aappublicati...t&gca=118%2F3%2F1260&
</a><br />
<br />You are going to find this extremely interesting....in October, I also ran across this article. Since I have 2 sons with these genes, I decided to write to Dr. Sullivan. I am going to try to paste here what all was said between us:
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<br />Dr. O'Sullivan,
<br />
<br />Hello, my name is Jada Ose. I have come across your article "Early Pulmonary Manifestation of Cystic Fibrosis in Children With the DeltaF508/R117H-7T/9T" on the Internet. Let me give you a little background information first.
<br />
<br />I am a 41 year old mother to eight biological children. I had 6 children from a previous marriage when my husband and I met. We married and had 2 children together. Our youngest, Zoe, is 3 1/2 presently. At her 2 week appt., she had not gained back her birth weight. Dr. chalked it up to me having my 8th child and not taking the adequate time to breastfeed her the "hind" milk. Gave me another week to try making sure she "emptied" the breast. Next weight check...still no weight gain. He had me supplement her with "easily-digested" formula. Next appt....she had gained a few ounces. We kept her on supplemental formula for a few more weeks, which at that time, she had gained a few more ounces. We then took her off supplemental formula to be solely breastfed. She cried a lot, didn't sleep well, gagged on her milk constantly, throwing it up. She had loose, very frequent, smelly, oily bowels. I took her to the pediatricians office 23 times by the time she was 10 months old. He finally admitted her to the Savannah, Ga. hospital because her protein levels were at an alert level. To no avail, they decided she just wasn't eating enough. At this time, she was 11 months old, could not tolerate ANY food of any type. The most pureed baby food made her choke and gag. She was having 10-14 stools a day. She just breastfed. After 2 more weeks had passed and she started to lose weight, her doctor decided it was out of his hands, she needed to see a specialist. He referred her to a gastro doctor at Nemours Children's Clinic in Jacksonville, Fl. Dr. George (gastro) admitted her to Wolfson Children's Hospital in Jacksonville. In 2 days, he had done every test imaginable to try to diagnosis Zoe. She turned 1 year old in the hospital, weighed just 14 lbs., and got the diagnosis of Cystic Fibrosis all on the same day. Her sweat levels were 108 and 115. Her genes are DeltaF508 and 1717-1-GA. She has done very well since diagnosis. She is on Creon5, Pulmozyme, Albuterol, Zyrte c, Zantac, Vitamax, Nasonex, vest therapy twice a day. She has had 2 hospitalizations since diagnosis. One overnight for a small bowel obstruction. The other this past May for sinus/pulmonary exacerbations.
<br />
<br />In March of this year, we decided to have the other 7 children's genes done, so they would know for in the future if they were a carrier or not. Zoe's full sibling, Sydney, who is 6, is a carrier of the DeltaF508.
<br />To my complete shock, I have done the unimaginable by marrying 2 separate men in my lifetime that are both carriers. Two of my boys from my previous marriage have the genes DeltaF508 and R117H-7T/9T.
<br />Caleb is 16, Alex is 11. The only remote symptoms in their life are these:
<br />Caleb: Jaundice for 2 weeks as a baby, has always been tiny, has exercise induced trouble breathing, a very "seal-bark" sounding cough since he was little.
<br />
<br />Alex: Rectal pro lapse around the age of 2 that required surgery.
<br />
<br />They have had all the normal cf testing done...
<br />
<br />Caleb: sweat level of 52 & 53, pft over 100, x-ray showed hyperinflation and some bronchial markings, ct showed no hyperinflation and minimal markings, stool sample showed him to be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.
<br />
<br />Alex: sweat level of 49 & 51, pft right at 100, x-rays normal, stool sample showed him to also be pancreatic sufficient, vitamin levels all normal.
<br />
<br />Their cf doctor, who is Zoe's also, is the head of our cf clinic here in Jacksonville, Dr. Bonnie Hudak. She has chosen at this time, to not put a diagnosis of "cf" on them. Caleb would like to join the Coast Guard and she knows that would interfere greatly. I supported her decision completely.
<br />
<br />I have been doing some research since, coming across your article and others. There is obviously a big debate as to how, who and when we treat these patients. I also am at a loss. I do not want to not be pro-active in their health care, to later have it cause them to have permanent lung damage.
<br />I thought maybe you might have some more insight into this, hence, why I am writing you. I also wanted to volunteer our families information for any studies, if it would help.
<br />
<br />Thank you for taking the time to read all of this and I look forward to hearing from you.
<br />
<br />Kindest Regards,
<br />
<br />Jada M. Ose
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<br />Jada:
<br />
<br />Thank you for sharing you amazing story with me. Since CF carriers are found in 1 in 25-30 people, the likelihood of you marrying two men who are carriers is 1/25 x 1/25 = 1 in 625 to 1 in 900. Have you considered buying a lottery ticket????
<br />
<br />First, let me say, seriously, that I feel for you...having a child who is sick and not growing well and for whom it takes months for the right diagnosis to be made is extremely trying and difficult. I hope all is better now. Certainly, you have a great CF doctor in Bonnie Hudak.
<br />
<br />Next, let me say there is risk in checking for genetic predispositions to disease. We all have some predisposition to some disease. It may be good to know about this in some cases (a woman with a predisposition to breast cancer can make sure she gets frequent check ups) but ay not be so good in other cases (knowledge may cause a great deal of angst about something that may never happen, for example in those with a small but real increase risk for some other disease). Our geneticists strongly recommend we NOT get CF genetic testing on asymptomatic siblings with the thought that it is not clinically indicated in a well child and that the child should have the right to chose for him or herself as an adult making reproductive choices of his own whether or not to find out he is a carrier. Of course, in this case you got more information than you wanted. Always a dangerous situation. But, we cannot undo the fact that you have the knowledge. The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
<br />
<br />So, what to do? I agree with Dr. Hudak, calling them "CF" patients at this time might not be valid. However, the borderline elevated sweat test and known genetics means that they should be followed at some frequency in a CF Center (annually?? no one knows) to make sure they are okay. Although the actual number of people with dF508/R117H-7T in the real world is not known, it is likely that many (most?) of the people with this combination have little or no CF-related disease. There seems to be an increased risk of infertility in males with this genotype. Some may develop mild lung disease. Virtually all are pancreatic sufficient. We have 3 infants with true lung disease, but I know of many others who are adults and are well.
<br />
<br />I would suggest that you discuss this difficult and delicate matter with Dr. Hudak and follow her lead. She is doing what we would do. I would also suggest that the boys be entered into the CF registry when and if there is a parallel registry of people with CFTR-associated illnesses that are not true CF.
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<br />I hope this helps.
<br />
<br />Brian
<br />
<br />Brian P. O'Sullivan, MD
<br />Professor of Pediatrics
<br />Chair, Institutional Review Board
<br />UMass Memorial Healthcare
<br />55 Lake Ave.
<br />Worcester, MA 01655
<br />
<br />Tele: 508-856-4155
<br />Fax: 508-856-2069
<br />e-mail: osullivb@ummhc.org
 

dmatherne

New member
Thanks for the response Jada...if I may call you Jada? This seems consistent to the recommendations that we have been receiving. And I do remember our Tulane doctor telling us that they aren't quite sure how many people are out there with this genotype that are perfectly normal. But they do seem to be getting an increased amount of patients that are turning up due to genetic testing in infertility cases.

I guess this is why there are so many differing opinions of what to do in these cases and why we are a little confused. It just seems that, like yourself, you fight the urge to believe that there is something more that you could be doing.
 

dmatherne

New member
Thanks for the response Jada...if I may call you Jada? This seems consistent to the recommendations that we have been receiving. And I do remember our Tulane doctor telling us that they aren't quite sure how many people are out there with this genotype that are perfectly normal. But they do seem to be getting an increased amount of patients that are turning up due to genetic testing in infertility cases.

I guess this is why there are so many differing opinions of what to do in these cases and why we are a little confused. It just seems that, like yourself, you fight the urge to believe that there is something more that you could be doing.
 

dmatherne

New member
Thanks for the response Jada...if I may call you Jada? This seems consistent to the recommendations that we have been receiving. And I do remember our Tulane doctor telling us that they aren't quite sure how many people are out there with this genotype that are perfectly normal. But they do seem to be getting an increased amount of patients that are turning up due to genetic testing in infertility cases.

I guess this is why there are so many differing opinions of what to do in these cases and why we are a little confused. It just seems that, like yourself, you fight the urge to believe that there is something more that you could be doing.
 

dmatherne

New member
Thanks for the response Jada...if I may call you Jada? This seems consistent to the recommendations that we have been receiving. And I do remember our Tulane doctor telling us that they aren't quite sure how many people are out there with this genotype that are perfectly normal. But they do seem to be getting an increased amount of patients that are turning up due to genetic testing in infertility cases.

I guess this is why there are so many differing opinions of what to do in these cases and why we are a little confused. It just seems that, like yourself, you fight the urge to believe that there is something more that you could be doing.
 

dmatherne

New member
Thanks for the response Jada...if I may call you Jada? This seems consistent to the recommendations that we have been receiving. And I do remember our Tulane doctor telling us that they aren't quite sure how many people are out there with this genotype that are perfectly normal. But they do seem to be getting an increased amount of patients that are turning up due to genetic testing in infertility cases.
<br />
<br />I guess this is why there are so many differing opinions of what to do in these cases and why we are a little confused. It just seems that, like yourself, you fight the urge to believe that there is something more that you could be doing.
 

janddburke

New member
when my Jess was diagnosed it was only from blood testing. all other screening tests weren't even borderline, they were negative. Including the sweat tests (all 4 of them)
we've been proactive. in 14 years she's only had 2 hospitalizations, and one was at initial diagnosis.

no 'major' issue and she is PS. BUT. who knows.
She is very active and is currently on the school's Field Hockey team and plays Rec soccer. only does 1 vest therapy a day (if she has sports practice) and 2x if no practice.

her meds include mostly vitamins. overkill? maybe. but I'm okay with that.

we have visits with the CF docs every 3 months. and plan to participate in any clinical trials that are appropriate..
why?

Because she does have CF. it is a progressive disease and because someday...............who knows? I certainly don't.
 

janddburke

New member
when my Jess was diagnosed it was only from blood testing. all other screening tests weren't even borderline, they were negative. Including the sweat tests (all 4 of them)
we've been proactive. in 14 years she's only had 2 hospitalizations, and one was at initial diagnosis.

no 'major' issue and she is PS. BUT. who knows.
She is very active and is currently on the school's Field Hockey team and plays Rec soccer. only does 1 vest therapy a day (if she has sports practice) and 2x if no practice.

her meds include mostly vitamins. overkill? maybe. but I'm okay with that.

we have visits with the CF docs every 3 months. and plan to participate in any clinical trials that are appropriate..
why?

Because she does have CF. it is a progressive disease and because someday...............who knows? I certainly don't.
 

janddburke

New member
when my Jess was diagnosed it was only from blood testing. all other screening tests weren't even borderline, they were negative. Including the sweat tests (all 4 of them)
we've been proactive. in 14 years she's only had 2 hospitalizations, and one was at initial diagnosis.

no 'major' issue and she is PS. BUT. who knows.
She is very active and is currently on the school's Field Hockey team and plays Rec soccer. only does 1 vest therapy a day (if she has sports practice) and 2x if no practice.

her meds include mostly vitamins. overkill? maybe. but I'm okay with that.

we have visits with the CF docs every 3 months. and plan to participate in any clinical trials that are appropriate..
why?

Because she does have CF. it is a progressive disease and because someday...............who knows? I certainly don't.
 

janddburke

New member
when my Jess was diagnosed it was only from blood testing. all other screening tests weren't even borderline, they were negative. Including the sweat tests (all 4 of them)
we've been proactive. in 14 years she's only had 2 hospitalizations, and one was at initial diagnosis.

no 'major' issue and she is PS. BUT. who knows.
She is very active and is currently on the school's Field Hockey team and plays Rec soccer. only does 1 vest therapy a day (if she has sports practice) and 2x if no practice.

her meds include mostly vitamins. overkill? maybe. but I'm okay with that.

we have visits with the CF docs every 3 months. and plan to participate in any clinical trials that are appropriate..
why?

Because she does have CF. it is a progressive disease and because someday...............who knows? I certainly don't.
 

janddburke

New member
when my Jess was diagnosed it was only from blood testing. all other screening tests weren't even borderline, they were negative. Including the sweat tests (all 4 of them)
<br />we've been proactive. in 14 years she's only had 2 hospitalizations, and one was at initial diagnosis.
<br />
<br />no 'major' issue and she is PS. BUT. who knows.
<br />She is very active and is currently on the school's Field Hockey team and plays Rec soccer. only does 1 vest therapy a day (if she has sports practice) and 2x if no practice.
<br />
<br />her meds include mostly vitamins. overkill? maybe. but I'm okay with that.
<br />
<br />we have visits with the CF docs every 3 months. and plan to participate in any clinical trials that are appropriate..
<br />why?
<br />
<br />Because she does have CF. it is a progressive disease and because someday...............who knows? I certainly don't.
 
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