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julie

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Just wanted to share some really devistating news with all of you and ask for some prayers (for those who do) and well wishes for my friend and her family.

My friend heather is in the military as is her husband. I'll call him M, and they are both stationed in California. He was just serving his 2nd tour in Iraq this year, he was there last year at this time for 8 months, this current tour was suppose to be 9 months, he only served 5 months this time.

I don't know how much news everyon watches, especially about the war anymore but some of you might have heard about a group of marines that were under investigation for conspiracy, murder, kidnapping and assault.

I'm not exactly sure on all of the details but this is what his wife relayed to me, he was pulled out of Iraq and put into protective custody because he was involved in the conspiracy part of this event. His statement is that he had nothing to do with the assault, the kidnapping or the murder, but he was instructed by the group of marines to do something (that would be considered conspiracy) and he did it.

Apparently (again, this was just relayed to me by his wife) the sargent thought this whole elaborate plan out to kill some Iraqi (why, I don't really know) and one of the days when M was on patrol, his marines told him, "todays' the day". He's a hospital corpsman in the Navy, not a marine so he's kind of an outsider. He claims he did what he did (conspiracy part) because he was afraid if he didn't, they would kill him, they wanted to kill someone and he was afraid that if he didn't cooperate he might be the target.

He's talking and cooperating with the investigation, and one night when he came back to his rack there was a message on it saying, "we know you've talked and we are going to kill you" so now he's in protective custody inside the brig.

I know some of you may want to judge him, I myself asked his wife, "what the heck was he thinking?" But if you stop for a moment and think about it, unless you are someone who's been over there, seen what he's seen (over 100's of murders right before his eyes), deal with what he deals with everyday over there, it's unreasonable to judge him. That's what I had to tell myself at least. Stress and war and seeing what he does everyday can make even the most reasonable men and women do bad things, things they would never do if they had the time to sit and think about it.
Others may want to know, "why didn't he report this to anyone?" The honest truth is you never know how far up the chain of command something like this goes, and he could have been reporting it to a Senior who was in fact involved in the situation. That could have had even worse consequences for M than doing what he did (like them killing him). Either way, he was pretty much screwed.

I'm mad at the military because they sent him over there for this 2nd tour with diagnosed Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) but he had not recieved any treatment yet for it. Initially he was in denial... yes, his bad. But he decided to seek help and then found out he was going to be deployed again within the next few months.

I know I keep rambling, but I'm really upset over this news. He has a 1 year old daughter and a wife and things just don't look good at all.

So any thoughts and prayers you all can send his way would be much appreciated!

Thanks!
 

Mockingbird

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I will certainly be praying as well.

As far as knowing what they are going through, has anyone seen Baghdad ER? It is a documentary on HBO and I hear it really shows the pain of what is going on over there.
 

Tess

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Prayers and thoughts go out....


The devastation of war has been seen enough in the past... why do world leaders keep reliving the horror ???!!!!
 

BigBee

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What a tragedy for this family. They are in my prayers, as are all of our servicemen/women. Keep us posted, Julie.
 
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Cariann2005Rob

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they are definately in my prayers!! Uhhh i cant stadnt the military sometimes and especially the marines cuz my husband being one, there is alot of b****it that goes on... That is really hard to hear about! I will never understand why they send people that have ptsd... i know of a man that will be going for his second time to iraq and one other time to afganistan,.... they still continue to send them! what is wrong with our system these days! IF its not one thing then its another! I feel so bad for your friend and the stress that they are having to go through! they are all in my prayers...
Cariann 21 w/cf cfrd mrsa
 

Emily65Roses

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I don't judge him. Wasn't the smartest idea, but following orders in the miltary is kind of important. What I do judge is this d*mn country and this d*mn administration and this d*mn war. What? You were in Iraq for a year? And you have PTSD now? Oh too bad, go back for another year.
But don't get me started on that crap or I'll never shut up.
 

cfmomma

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That is terrible, I will definitly pray for the family and for him. He has to feel completly betrayed by his superiors. My brother was in the Navy several years ago, it was his life and he loved it. He was stationed in San Francisco and just returned from his "Westpac" on a nuclear sub. I'm not excactly sure what happened, but apparently he was accused of stealing classified documents and computer equipment. He was sent home immediatly, discharged, and would be contacted when needed. One evening we were eating dinner and the FBI showed up. They took him into a back room, shut the door and talked for hours. It turns out that one of his peers did it and tried to frame my brother. All the charges were dropped and his "discharge" was changed to an "honorable discharge" I understand that the military has its own set of rules, but it breaks my heart when good servicemen/women take the blame for other people's screw-ups and power trips. My little brother is stationed in Pearl Harbor and is doing excactly what my older brother wanted to do. I sincereley hope that your friend survives this and dosen't take the fall for someone else.
 

julie

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Thanks everyone, I've let them know they've got many people praying for and thinking of them!

Sheli, I'm sorry to hear that happened to your brother. I HATE the military's "punish now, investigate later" philosophy. They hurt so many people. I've heard of a few incidences like this since I've been in, none quite as popular as to make the news, but they were also about people I didn't really know. Peopl who I had been stationed with in San diego but didn't know personally, there are over 5,000 people on that 1 hospital base alone. Honestly, it's much, much harder and hits home when it's a person you know.

Em, I'm with you on this one. "don't get me started" either on this whole Iraq thing, I could go for hours actually- probably days about it. "oh but were doing so much good over there". Um, yah... and who've you heard that from, people interviewed for the NEWS or 60 minutes????? How about you talk to just one of my 30 friends who've been deployed at LEAST once, some as many as 3x. They'll set you straight. I feel you....
 

Emily65Roses

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Mind you I still hate this administration and such... But I have to add something. (I say <b>if</b> on purpose because I don't know the specifics of the case or what the guy did). If he was dealing with paperwork or technical specifics, then yeah following orders. If he was actively killing people that weren't a threat, then sorry, I don't buy that excuse. You know the Nazis used that excuse? We have no clue what they've been through, but if we're talking killing women and children that are no threat, then I seriously do not accept that kind of excuse. Like I said, I don't know what this guy specifically did. I just had to add that for myself to make sure my opinions are clear.
 

Treble

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He did what he had to in order to stay alive.
With a one year old duaghter and wife, it's important he lives.

I mean, if you think about it... what was he supposed to do? You can't tell who's involved in the whole thing, or how deep it goes. If he didn't go along, he'd have been killed.
He needs to find a way out.

I espically wouldn't want protection from the same military that got me caught up in that. Way too dangerous! You don't know who's friends with who, or who can pull what strings.
He needs to get the hell outta there!!
 

julie

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I do agree with you emily, I thought that's what you meant anyways.

How are you doing Karen? How's troy?

Thanks Seana, I'll let them know once again that many are thinking and praying for them.

Treble, you and I seem to think a lot alike on this one. Not too much I can say because I AM in the military but there are millions of things that are done like this everyday. I'll be honest that I've never really stopped to think about it until it happened to someone I know. I always did have respect for what they do over there, but now moreso than ever.

Corruption goes all the way up the chain of command. You are presicely right, he didn't know how far the corruption went so you go report it to someone and you risk your life (ever hear about all that friendly fire over there????) or you risk a potentially worse sentence in the brig for made up things. Happens all the time.

Anyways, I do appreciate the kind responses from everyone! THank you!
 

anonymous

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Just wanted to send my prayers, I am from England and my boyfriend has done 2 tours of iraq, I dont think anyone can really understand what it is like out there unless you have seen it first hand, my boyfriend wont talk about it to much but I know that things happened he isnt proud of but how can i judge something I can never understand. He has PTSD. Sending my love and prayers
 

julie

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Thank you. Right back at you with the love and prayers for your boyfriend. Things like this change people, it's so sad that it has to happen. Many prayers for you as well, I can imagine how hard it is for you to adjust to the differences in him.
 

anonymous

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Thank you Julie, it is harder but thats what we have to deal with, Also good luck with your babies, Ihave been reading your updates, please let us know how your friends gets on

Claire x
 

JohnnaMarie

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I send out many prayers for the man that was cornered and forced to choose his life over what may have been considered a right or wrong choice.
 
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