Ozone action alert?

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CFHockeyMom

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We have this a fare amount in southern Michigan. Once the heat index (includes the affect of humidity/enthalpy along with the actual temp) climbs they're common.

I am surprised that you haven't heard of this before in Denver. You guys have such a smog problem now that I'd think you'd get a lot of ozone action days.

You're supposed to drive less or at least in the cooler portions of the day, refrain from using gas powered lawn equipment, and not pump gas (due to the evaporative emissions from the tanks).
 
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CFHockeyMom

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We have this a fare amount in southern Michigan. Once the heat index (includes the affect of humidity/enthalpy along with the actual temp) climbs they're common.

I am surprised that you haven't heard of this before in Denver. You guys have such a smog problem now that I'd think you'd get a lot of ozone action days.

You're supposed to drive less or at least in the cooler portions of the day, refrain from using gas powered lawn equipment, and not pump gas (due to the evaporative emissions from the tanks).
 
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CFHockeyMom

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We have this a fare amount in southern Michigan. Once the heat index (includes the affect of humidity/enthalpy along with the actual temp) climbs they're common.

I am surprised that you haven't heard of this before in Denver. You guys have such a smog problem now that I'd think you'd get a lot of ozone action days.

You're supposed to drive less or at least in the cooler portions of the day, refrain from using gas powered lawn equipment, and not pump gas (due to the evaporative emissions from the tanks).
 
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CFHockeyMom

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We have this a fare amount in southern Michigan. Once the heat index (includes the affect of humidity/enthalpy along with the actual temp) climbs they're common.

I am surprised that you haven't heard of this before in Denver. You guys have such a smog problem now that I'd think you'd get a lot of ozone action days.

You're supposed to drive less or at least in the cooler portions of the day, refrain from using gas powered lawn equipment, and not pump gas (due to the evaporative emissions from the tanks).
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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OperaMama

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Mockingbird-- your irritation with hyperbole is most understandable to those of us who respect the dignity and precision (possibilities) of the English language, yet it is not merely American media, alas. I would tend to view it as a global marketing scheme-- hyperbole, not the ozone alerts! I moved from LA to Chicago; in both cases I'm quite aware of the daily air and wish that others had resources to act on the 'alert' days...
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote></div>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote></div>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote></div>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote></div>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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Mockingbird

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>"Ozone is a COLORLESS gas formed from a reaction between motor vehicle emissions and sunlight. it is the main component of smog." </end quote>

Technically, pure ozone is a pale, bluish color. It doesn't really matter, because I was talking about looking at smog, which is not colorless. If you can point me to a source that says ground level ozone can be produced without the presence of smog, then I will concede. Otherwise, its kind of stupid to get pissed off at me.

By the way, science isn't about just believing everything you hear, its about speculating and verifying. I'm sorry I am not a sheep, uneducated though I may be. Plus, with all the people pretending to be scientists out there, I think my questions are more than justified.
 
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AnD

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I think the point is <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> , that just because you have smog, doesn't mean that you have an ozone problem going on. And just because the smog isn't as thick as usual, doesn't mean it's a good ozone day. Lots of things apparently go into making it a bad ozone day (temperature inversions, etc.). The ground level ozone problem is worse during the summer (hot days make it worse) and during the hottest part of the day (10:30 to about 3 pm). You can have the same amount of smog morning, noon and night, but the ozone is usually worse in the afternoon. Does that make sense?


Oh, and until this year, ozone alert days didn't phase me one way or the other, (other than a little more worn out, but I contributed that to the heat) but this year I pay for it if I blatently disregard it (like taking my daughter to the playground for a couple of hours in the afternoon- mistake! Next time, we will go in the morning or early afternoon.)

So, it really is about your health, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> and not the enviromentalists trying to brainwash us again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> . I'm really surprised that your news doesn't make a bigger deal about it.... I'll see if I can find the link again about ozone days and reduced lung function (something about "real world" tests... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> ).


I really think that in a city of commuters, that asking people to not drive as much, or gas up between certain hours will make much difference at all (especially here, where our biggest polluters are industrial...if <i>everyone</i> stayed home and didn't drive, grill or mow on ozone alert days, it would only drop ours less than 25%...
 
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AnD

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I think the point is <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> , that just because you have smog, doesn't mean that you have an ozone problem going on. And just because the smog isn't as thick as usual, doesn't mean it's a good ozone day. Lots of things apparently go into making it a bad ozone day (temperature inversions, etc.). The ground level ozone problem is worse during the summer (hot days make it worse) and during the hottest part of the day (10:30 to about 3 pm). You can have the same amount of smog morning, noon and night, but the ozone is usually worse in the afternoon. Does that make sense?


Oh, and until this year, ozone alert days didn't phase me one way or the other, (other than a little more worn out, but I contributed that to the heat) but this year I pay for it if I blatently disregard it (like taking my daughter to the playground for a couple of hours in the afternoon- mistake! Next time, we will go in the morning or early afternoon.)

So, it really is about your health, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> and not the enviromentalists trying to brainwash us again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> . I'm really surprised that your news doesn't make a bigger deal about it.... I'll see if I can find the link again about ozone days and reduced lung function (something about "real world" tests... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> ).


I really think that in a city of commuters, that asking people to not drive as much, or gas up between certain hours will make much difference at all (especially here, where our biggest polluters are industrial...if <i>everyone</i> stayed home and didn't drive, grill or mow on ozone alert days, it would only drop ours less than 25%...
 
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AnD

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I think the point is <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> , that just because you have smog, doesn't mean that you have an ozone problem going on. And just because the smog isn't as thick as usual, doesn't mean it's a good ozone day. Lots of things apparently go into making it a bad ozone day (temperature inversions, etc.). The ground level ozone problem is worse during the summer (hot days make it worse) and during the hottest part of the day (10:30 to about 3 pm). You can have the same amount of smog morning, noon and night, but the ozone is usually worse in the afternoon. Does that make sense?


Oh, and until this year, ozone alert days didn't phase me one way or the other, (other than a little more worn out, but I contributed that to the heat) but this year I pay for it if I blatently disregard it (like taking my daughter to the playground for a couple of hours in the afternoon- mistake! Next time, we will go in the morning or early afternoon.)

So, it really is about your health, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> and not the enviromentalists trying to brainwash us again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> . I'm really surprised that your news doesn't make a bigger deal about it.... I'll see if I can find the link again about ozone days and reduced lung function (something about "real world" tests... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> ).


I really think that in a city of commuters, that asking people to not drive as much, or gas up between certain hours will make much difference at all (especially here, where our biggest polluters are industrial...if <i>everyone</i> stayed home and didn't drive, grill or mow on ozone alert days, it would only drop ours less than 25%...
 
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AnD

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I think the point is <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> , that just because you have smog, doesn't mean that you have an ozone problem going on. And just because the smog isn't as thick as usual, doesn't mean it's a good ozone day. Lots of things apparently go into making it a bad ozone day (temperature inversions, etc.). The ground level ozone problem is worse during the summer (hot days make it worse) and during the hottest part of the day (10:30 to about 3 pm). You can have the same amount of smog morning, noon and night, but the ozone is usually worse in the afternoon. Does that make sense?


Oh, and until this year, ozone alert days didn't phase me one way or the other, (other than a little more worn out, but I contributed that to the heat) but this year I pay for it if I blatently disregard it (like taking my daughter to the playground for a couple of hours in the afternoon- mistake! Next time, we will go in the morning or early afternoon.)

So, it really is about your health, <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> and not the enviromentalists trying to brainwash us again <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> . I'm really surprised that your news doesn't make a bigger deal about it.... I'll see if I can find the link again about ozone days and reduced lung function (something about "real world" tests... <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0"> ).


I really think that in a city of commuters, that asking people to not drive as much, or gas up between certain hours will make much difference at all (especially here, where our biggest polluters are industrial...if <i>everyone</i> stayed home and didn't drive, grill or mow on ozone alert days, it would only drop ours less than 25%...
 
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