Pre-Teen Anger due to late diagnosis

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jcwise62

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Hey All:<div><br></div><div>My son was a late diagnosis.  He is a Df508/p.R347P.  He had attended Summer camp and gotten very dehydrated.  This launched us down a long and winding path that resulted in a allergist requesting he be tested for CF 8 months later.  Needless to say, he came back positive.  Prior to this my son had been active in sports, a high achieving student with lots of friends and a broad spectrum of interest.</div><div><br></div><div>He has not reacted to the news well.  Of course there was the inevitable denial, which we worked through, but he has slowly turned the diagnosis into a crutch.  He has curtailed his sports, claiming he is too tired or it is too hard to breathe.  He has slowly withdrawn from his friends and outside activities, all he wants to do is throw his own pity party, watch T.V. or play on the xBox or computer.  It is a struggle just to get him to go shoot baskets, go swimming, toss a ball, go for a after dinner walk.</div><div><br></div><div>I know some of this is due to Pre-teen angst, but he will sometimes breakdown weeping in his bed, telling his mom or myself he wishes he was just dead already, since his life is horrible since he has to do all these "treatments" every day for the rest of his life.  The treatment is fairly simple with vesting x 2, nebulizing saline x 2, and one treatment of Pulmozene(sic).   I have failed to reach him on the level of his path is much easier than most CF patients. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't know what I am looking for here, maybe just a moment to vent, as he was particularly virulent to me last night and this morning by telling me I don't understand and that I must hate him as I insist on him doing his treatments.  I was wondering if anyone else has been down this path?  It rips my heart out to have him scream at me, or tell me he wishes he was dead.  </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance or any and all advice.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff Wise</div><div>Father of Parker (Df508/p.R347P) age 12</div><div><br></div>
 
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jcwise62

Guest
Hey All:<br>My son was a late diagnosis. He is a Df508/p.R347P. He had attended Summer camp and gotten very dehydrated. This launched us down a long and winding path that resulted in a allergist requesting he be tested for CF 8 months later. Needless to say, he came back positive. Prior to this my son had been active in sports, a high achieving student with lots of friends and a broad spectrum of interest.<br>He has not reacted to the news well. Of course there was the inevitable denial, which we worked through, but he has slowly turned the diagnosis into a crutch. He has curtailed his sports, claiming he is too tired or it is too hard to breathe. He has slowly withdrawn from his friends and outside activities, all he wants to do is throw his own pity party, watch T.V. or play on the xBox or computer. It is a struggle just to get him to go shoot baskets, go swimming, toss a ball, go for a after dinner walk.<br>I know some of this is due to Pre-teen angst, but he will sometimes breakdown weeping in his bed, telling his mom or myself he wishes he was just dead already, since his life is horrible since he has to do all these "treatments" every day for the rest of his life. The treatment is fairly simple with vesting x 2, nebulizing saline x 2, and one treatment of Pulmozene(sic). I have failed to reach him on the level of his path is much easier than most CF patients.<br>I don't know what I am looking for here, maybe just a moment to vent, as he was particularly virulent to me last night and this morning by telling me I don't understand and that I must hate him as I insist on him doing his treatments. I was wondering if anyone else has been down this path? It rips my heart out to have him scream at me, or tell me he wishes he was dead. <br>Thanks in advance or any and all advice.<br>Jeff WiseFather of Parker (Df508/p.R347P) age 12<br>
 
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jcwise62

Guest
Hey All:<br>My son was a late diagnosis. He is a Df508/p.R347P. He had attended Summer camp and gotten very dehydrated. This launched us down a long and winding path that resulted in a allergist requesting he be tested for CF 8 months later. Needless to say, he came back positive. Prior to this my son had been active in sports, a high achieving student with lots of friends and a broad spectrum of interest.<br>He has not reacted to the news well. Of course there was the inevitable denial, which we worked through, but he has slowly turned the diagnosis into a crutch. He has curtailed his sports, claiming he is too tired or it is too hard to breathe. He has slowly withdrawn from his friends and outside activities, all he wants to do is throw his own pity party, watch T.V. or play on the xBox or computer. It is a struggle just to get him to go shoot baskets, go swimming, toss a ball, go for a after dinner walk.<br>I know some of this is due to Pre-teen angst, but he will sometimes breakdown weeping in his bed, telling his mom or myself he wishes he was just dead already, since his life is horrible since he has to do all these "treatments" every day for the rest of his life. The treatment is fairly simple with vesting x 2, nebulizing saline x 2, and one treatment of Pulmozene(sic). I have failed to reach him on the level of his path is much easier than most CF patients.<br>I don't know what I am looking for here, maybe just a moment to vent, as he was particularly virulent to me last night and this morning by telling me I don't understand and that I must hate him as I insist on him doing his treatments. I was wondering if anyone else has been down this path? It rips my heart out to have him scream at me, or tell me he wishes he was dead. <br>Thanks in advance or any and all advice.<br>Jeff WiseFather of Parker (Df508/p.R347P) age 12<br>
 

JORDYSMOM

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<P>Hi Jeff, and welcome.  I'd like to suggest that you also post this in the families & adults sections of this forum, because they get more traffic.  I completely understand your wanting opinions from kids your son's age too.</P>
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<P>So my son was dx at 15.  He got hit with a double whammy of needing an 8 hour spine surgery, and oh by the way you have CF.  Needless to say I understand the denial, the depression, the anger, and now we're back to denial.  He's now 21, and his denial has taken on a new attitude where he thinks he's 10 feet tall and bullet proof.  It's going to take a serious exacerbation to get my son's attention, sadly. </P>
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<P>Are you going to a certified clinic?  Have you spoken with the counselor?  They really can help you with getting your son into talk with professionals.  He might open up to a stranger better than you guys.  He needs a punching bag right now, and unfortunately you're in his sights.  I know it's hard to hear those hurtful words even though you know he doesn't really mean them deep down.  I'm sorry your family is going through this.  We have one child older than Jordan and one younger, and they both had their own emotions and fear regarding their brother's dx.  Do you have other kids?  I'd be happy to chat with you in the site's chat room, or we can private message or even e-mail if you like.  I'll send you my e-mail address via PM.  </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Hang in there. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Stacey</P>
 

JORDYSMOM

New member
<P>Hi Jeff, and welcome. I'd like to suggest that you also post this in the families & adults sections of this forum, because they get more traffic. I completely understand your wanting opinions from kids your son's age too.</P>
<P></P>
<P>So my son was dx at 15. He got hit with a double whammy of needing an 8 hour spine surgery, and oh by the way you have CF. Needless to say I understand the denial, the depression, the anger, and now we're back to denial. He's now 21, and his denial has taken on a new attitude where he thinks he's 10 feet tall and bullet proof. It's going to take a serious exacerbation to get my son's attention, sadly.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Are you going to a certified clinic? Have you spoken with the counselor? They really can help you with getting your son into talk with professionals. He might open up to a stranger better than you guys. He needs a punching bag right now, and unfortunately you're in his sights. I know it's hard to hear those hurtful words even though you know he doesn't really mean them deep down. I'm sorry your family is going through this. We have one child older than Jordan and one younger, and they both had their own emotions and fear regarding their brother's dx. Do you have other kids? I'd be happy to chat with you in the site's chat room, or we can private message or even e-mail if you like. I'll send you my e-mail address via PM. </P>
<P></P>
<P>Hang in there.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Stacey</P>
 

JORDYSMOM

New member
<P><BR>Hi Jeff, and welcome. I'd like to suggest that you also post this in the families & adults sections of this forum, because they get more traffic. I completely understand your wanting opinions from kids your son's age too.</P>
<P></P>
<P>So my son was dx at 15. He got hit with a double whammy of needing an 8 hour spine surgery, and oh by the way you have CF. Needless to say I understand the denial, the depression, the anger, and now we're back to denial. He's now 21, and his denial has taken on a new attitude where he thinks he's 10 feet tall and bullet proof. It's going to take a serious exacerbation to get my son's attention, sadly.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Are you going to a certified clinic? Have you spoken with the counselor? They really can help you with getting your son into talk with professionals. He might open up to a stranger better than you guys. He needs a punching bag right now, and unfortunately you're in his sights. I know it's hard to hear those hurtful words even though you know he doesn't really mean them deep down. I'm sorry your family is going through this. We have one child older than Jordan and one younger, and they both had their own emotions and fear regarding their brother's dx. Do you have other kids? I'd be happy to chat with you in the site's chat room, or we can private message or even e-mail if you like. I'll send you my e-mail address via PM. </P>
<P></P>
<P>Hang in there.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Stacey</P>
 

Havoc

New member
The thing that most us have going for us is that we were diagnosed as infants and have known no other way of life. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to get a diagnosis of CF in your teens.

A few years ago, I was being treated with high-dose steroids for ABPA. I became insulin resistant and had to live my life as a diabetic, until I finished the course of steroids. Even as an adult, having to completely change the way you live your life (in my case, diet) was very difficult.

In my experience, the 5 stages of grief (Kubler-Ross model) applies to most traumatic lifestyle changes, although some people argue that it has little scientific basis. These include denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Of course, everybody responds differently and in their own time (which is why I think it's difficult to get some scientific consensus) . It sounds like your son might be simultaneously in anger and depression.

Unfortunately, I don't have any fantastic advice. The only thing that came to mind was to see if your clinic could arrange for your son to speak to another kid his age who has CF. Maybe if he sees that he really isn't alone and that people with CF can lead a relatively normal life, it will speed his acceptance of the diagnosis.
 

Havoc

New member
The thing that most us have going for us is that we were diagnosed as infants and have known no other way of life. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to get a diagnosis of CF in your teens.

A few years ago, I was being treated with high-dose steroids for ABPA. I became insulin resistant and had to live my life as a diabetic, until I finished the course of steroids. Even as an adult, having to completely change the way you live your life (in my case, diet) was very difficult.

In my experience, the 5 stages of grief (Kubler-Ross model) applies to most traumatic lifestyle changes, although some people argue that it has little scientific basis. These include denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Of course, everybody responds differently and in their own time (which is why I think it's difficult to get some scientific consensus) . It sounds like your son might be simultaneously in anger and depression.

Unfortunately, I don't have any fantastic advice. The only thing that came to mind was to see if your clinic could arrange for your son to speak to another kid his age who has CF. Maybe if he sees that he really isn't alone and that people with CF can lead a relatively normal life, it will speed his acceptance of the diagnosis.
 

Havoc

New member
The thing that most us have going for us is that we were diagnosed as infants and have known no other way of life. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to get a diagnosis of CF in your teens.
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<br />A few years ago, I was being treated with high-dose steroids for ABPA. I became insulin resistant and had to live my life as a diabetic, until I finished the course of steroids. Even as an adult, having to completely change the way you live your life (in my case, diet) was very difficult.
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<br />In my experience, the 5 stages of grief (Kubler-Ross model) applies to most traumatic lifestyle changes, although some people argue that it has little scientific basis. These include denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Of course, everybody responds differently and in their own time (which is why I think it's difficult to get some scientific consensus) . It sounds like your son might be simultaneously in anger and depression.
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<br />Unfortunately, I don't have any fantastic advice. The only thing that came to mind was to see if your clinic could arrange for your son to speak to another kid his age who has CF. Maybe if he sees that he really isn't alone and that people with CF can lead a relatively normal life, it will speed his acceptance of the diagnosis.
 
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skybluecj

Guest
Hi,

Late diagnosis with CF must be difficult because it a massive change in lifestyle, even just diabetes is hard when i was diagnosed with that recently.

by the sounds off things he is depressed and that is normal in CF patients that i know, we all get fed up with it all even if we have known it our whole lives but a sudden change would be harder.

Best thing maybe is get him back into sports, and go with him, if he has chest pain then take inhalers but it wont stop him doing sports cause it is good for him physically and mentally. go with him as well and incourage him.
hope this small advice has helped <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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skybluecj

Guest
Hi,

Late diagnosis with CF must be difficult because it a massive change in lifestyle, even just diabetes is hard when i was diagnosed with that recently.

by the sounds off things he is depressed and that is normal in CF patients that i know, we all get fed up with it all even if we have known it our whole lives but a sudden change would be harder.

Best thing maybe is get him back into sports, and go with him, if he has chest pain then take inhalers but it wont stop him doing sports cause it is good for him physically and mentally. go with him as well and incourage him.
hope this small advice has helped <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 
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skybluecj

Guest
Hi,
<br />
<br />Late diagnosis with CF must be difficult because it a massive change in lifestyle, even just diabetes is hard when i was diagnosed with that recently.
<br />
<br />by the sounds off things he is depressed and that is normal in CF patients that i know, we all get fed up with it all even if we have known it our whole lives but a sudden change would be harder.
<br />
<br />Best thing maybe is get him back into sports, and go with him, if he has chest pain then take inhalers but it wont stop him doing sports cause it is good for him physically and mentally. go with him as well and incourage him.
<br />hope this small advice has helped <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">
 

KateCl

New member
<P>Jeff, I am so sorry to hear this and I know, I really know, how heartbreaking it is.  Our daughter was just diagnosed a few months ago at the age of 13 and a half.  She has been hospitalized twice since then.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>She has always been outgoing, bubbly, interested in a lot of activities, and, unlike your son right now, she still is, but we have seen a side of her we never saw before:  anger, depression, and hateful outbursts.  She is especially angry over having to do the treatments, and she sobs and begs us to allow her to stop.  She says she can't, she just can't, do them, and she wants to go back to the way it was, before diagnosis.  To her it feels like the treatments and therapies have stolen her whole life, and, worse, have stolen her whole Self.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I have noticed a pattern with her, though.  Every time anything changes in her regimen (like after each clinic visit, hopitalization, or other times when the doctor orders something new), she gets very upset, and there are lots of angry outbursts and tears.  She takes a giant step backward on the journey from anger to acceptance.  She strikes out at us because she has no one else to attack, to punish, to demand reparations from, for what has been done to her.  She has every right to be angry, and to grieve, and to feel cheated, we know.  But usually after a big outburst, she begins to move forward.  So the first time another treatment is added, she throws a fit.  The next time she has to take that treatment, she is pouty and sullen and angry.  But by the second or third day, she is noticeably less ugly and antagonistic about it, and between the treatments, we start to see our cheery girl again.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>She sees a child psychologist who works with CF patients--check your closest CF center or ask your pulmonologist to refer you to a therapist with experience with kids who have CF.  This has helped her a great deal.  The therapist suggested not doing CF stuff first thing in the morning or last thing at night, because our daughter objected to it being the first thing she was faced with every day, and the last thing she was thinking about before she went to bed.  Also, we have bent over backwards to find things to distract or entertain her while she is doing therapy.  We play board games or card games with her, hand her a sketchpad and other art supplies, or let her watch TV or play on the computer, for example, while she is doing breathing treatments or therapy.  She likes to play Twenty Questions during CPT.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>And, against medical advice (they keep telling us we have to teach her to be independent, but we think we have time to do that later on, well before she leaves home for college), we have taken over the cleaning and sterilizing of her equipment.  It just seemed like too much is already being asked of her, and we want to reduce the burden as much as possible right now.  We will gradually transfer these responsibilities back to her later on.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I tried to tell her that CF was a wolf we had to feed every day, at certain times, in order to make the wolf go away and leave us alone for several hours.  We have blocks of time between treatments that are completely ours and have nothing to do with CF.  But in order to keep the wolf from controlling our lives, we have to throw him a bone about four times a day, every day.  The wolf does not own us.  This analogy has only been marginally successful with her.  When she is having fun or actively involved in something, she does not think about CF.  When she is having a treatment or doing a therapy, she thinks CF takes up her whole day.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Pointing out that it could be a whole lot worse (and just walk around the hospital to convince yourself of this) works for me, but it does not seem to help my daughter much.  She is so acutely aware that this is not fair, and she lets us know it!  But I have had a little success with agreeing that no, it isn't fair, and, yes, she has been totally cheated, but then pointing out that life has also--many, many times--been unfair to her in a good way:  she has gotten more than her fair share, more than others got, many times.  So I focus on the good things and the happiness that she has experienced, and for some reason she is more responsive to this than she is to pointing out how much worse it can be for others.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Our daughter would say angrily "I don't care."  It took me a while to figure out what that meant.  Was it that she didn't care about what I was saying?  About getting better?  What?  Turns out it means "Shut up, I don't care to talk about this or think about this anymore."  She does not like to talk about CF, and she does not like being forced to think about it.  With such a recent diagnosis, it is almost the only thing I think about, and my husband and I talk about it a lot.  Friends and family are always asking, the phone calls are always about CF.  I have realized that my daughter does not care to be dragged out of her 13-year-old's world into mine, and she does not want to hear about it anymore, thank you very much.  So I try not to talk about it in her presence.   My husband and I make sure we are not being overheard.  I have told people I won't talk about it on the phone, and have gone to e-mail.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>At this age, your son's and my daughter's main job is to find out who they are, and, specifically, who they are as distinct from their parents.  They had personalities, selves, identities, before the diagnosis, and they do not want us going before them like John the Baptist announcing to the world that they are CF kids.  They are NOT CF kids; they are normal kids, with preferences and hobbies and friends and interests and dreams, and they also have CF.  They are really scared that CF is going to swallow up their identities, and at their age, they were already struggling to find out who they are.  They need all the help from us (and from our relatives, friends, and neighbors) in developing their own Selves and not becoming victims, not letting CF become their identity.  (We are going to a large family reunion soon, and I have already started composing the e-mail I am going to send out in advance, asking the family not to talk about this or ask me about this at the reunion.  The diagnosis was after the last reunion, and all my relatives are going to want to ask me about her, but that topic is off the table.  We will be there to enjoy ourselves and have a mini-vacation, and my daughter does not like to be talked about, so my relatives are just going to have to talk to me about it via e-mail some other time.)</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I have gone on too long.  I hope some of the things I have mentioned might work well in your family.  Your son has his own personality, and his own needs, and, unfortunately, his own fears and pain, so what works in our family (and I don't really even know anymore what works in our family) will not necessarily be right for yours, but perhaps something I have said will be a jumping off point for you and him to move forward.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Best wishes, and, please, know that you are NOT alone.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Sincerely,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Kate</P>
<P> </P>
 

KateCl

New member
<P>Jeff, I am so sorry to hear this and I know, I really know, how heartbreaking it is. Our daughter was just diagnosed a few months ago at the age of 13 and a half. She has been hospitalized twice since then.</P>
<P></P>
<P>She has always been outgoing, bubbly, interested in a lot of activities, and, unlike your son right now, she still is, but we have seen a side of her we never saw before: anger, depression, and hateful outbursts. She is especially angry over having to do the treatments, and she sobs and begs us to allow her to stop. She says she can't, she just can't, do them, and she wants to go back to the way it was, before diagnosis. To her it feels like the treatments and therapies have stolen her whole life, and, worse, have stolen her whole Self.</P>
<P></P>
<P>I have noticed a pattern with her, though. Every time anything changes in herregimen(like after each clinic visit, hopitalization, or other times when the doctor orders something new), she gets very upset, and there are lots of angry outbursts and tears. She takes a giant step backward on the journey from anger to acceptance. She strikes out at us because she has no one else to attack, to punish, to demand reparations from, for what has been done to her. She has every right to be angry, and to grieve, and to feel cheated, we know. But usually after a big outburst, she begins to move forward. So the first time another treatment is added, she throws a fit. The next time she has to take that treatment, she is pouty and sullen and angry. But by the second or third day, she is noticeably less ugly and antagonistic about it, and between the treatments, we start to see our cheery girl again.</P>
<P></P>
<P>She sees a child psychologist who works with CF patients--check your closest CF center or ask your pulmonologist to refer you to a therapist with experience with kids who have CF. This has helped her a great deal. The therapist suggested not doing CF stuff first thing in the morning or last thing at night, because our daughter objected to it being the first thing she was faced with every day, and the last thing she was thinking about before she went to bed. Also, we have bent over backwards to find things to distract or entertain her while she is doing therapy. We play board games or card games with her, hand her a sketchpad and other art supplies, or let her watch TV or play on the computer, for example, while she is doing breathing treatments or therapy. She likes to play Twenty Questions during CPT.</P>
<P></P>
<P>And, against medical advice (they keep telling us we have to teach her to be independent, but we think we have time to do that later on, well before she leaves home for college), we have taken over the cleaning and sterilizing of her equipment. It just seemed like too much is already being asked of her, and we want to reduce the burden as much as possible right now. We will gradually transfer these responsibilities back to her later on.</P>
<P></P>
<P>I tried to tell her that CF was a wolf we had to feed every day, at certain times, in order to make the wolf go away and leave us alone for several hours. We have blocks of time between treatments that are completely ours and have nothing to do with CF. But in order to keep the wolf from controlling our lives, we have tothrow him a bone about four times a day, every day. The wolf does not own us. This analogy has only been marginally successful with her. When she is having fun or actively involved in something, she does not think about CF. When she is having a treatment or doing a therapy, she thinks CF takes up her whole day.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Pointing out that it could be a whole lot worse (and just walk around the hospital to convince yourself of this) works for me, but it does not seem to help my daughter much. She is so acutely aware that this is not fair, and she lets us know it! But I have had a little success with agreeingthat no, it isn't fair, and, yes, she hasbeen totally cheated, but then pointing out that life has also--many, many times--been unfair to her in a good way: she has gotten more than her fair share, more than others got, many times. So I focus on the good things and the happiness that she has experienced, and for some reason she is more responsive to this than she is to pointing out how much worse it can be for others.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Our daughter wouldsay angrily"I don't care." It took me a while to figure out what that meant. Was it that she didn't care about what I was saying? About getting better? What? Turns out it means "Shut up, I don't care to talk about this or think about this anymore." She does not like to talk about CF, and she does not like being forced to think about it. With such a recent diagnosis, it is almost the only thing I think about, and my husband and I talk about it a lot. Friends and family are always asking, the phone calls are always about CF. I have realized that my daughter does not care to be dragged out of her 13-year-old's world into mine, and she does not want to hear about it anymore, thank you very much. So I try not to talk about it in her presence. My husband and I make sure we are not being overheard. I have told people I won't talk about it on the phone, and have gone to e-mail.</P>
<P></P>
<P>At this age, your son's and my daughter's main job is to find out who they are, and, specifically,who they are as distinct from their parents. They had personalities, selves, identities, before the diagnosis, and they do not want us going before them like John the Baptist announcing to the world that they are CF kids. They are NOT CF kids; they are normal kids, with preferences and hobbies and friends and interests and dreams, and they also have CF. They are really scared that CF is going to swallow up their identities, and at their age, they were already struggling to find out who they are. They need all the help from us (and from our relatives, friends, and neighbors) in developing their own Selves and not becoming victims, not letting CF become their identity. (We are going to a large family reunion soon, and I have already started composing the e-mail I am going to send out in advance, asking the family not to talk about this or ask me about this at the reunion. The diagnosis was after the last reunion, and all my relatives are going to want to ask me about her, but that topic is off the table. We will be there to enjoy ourselves and have a mini-vacation, and my daughter does not like to be talked about, so my relatives are just going to have to talk to me about it via e-mail some other time.)</P>
<P></P>
<P>I have gone on too long. I hope some of the things I have mentioned might work well in your family. Your son has his own personality, and his own needs, and, unfortunately, his own fears and pain, so what works in our family (and I don't really even know anymore what works in our family) will not necessarily be right for yours, but perhaps something I have said will be a jumping off point for you and him to move forward.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Best wishes, and, please, know that you are NOT alone.</P>
<P></P>
<P>Sincerely,</P>
<P></P>
<P>Kate</P>
<P></P>
 

KateCl

New member
<P>Jeff, I am so sorry to hear this and I know, I really know, how heartbreaking it is. Our daughter was just diagnosed a few months ago at the age of 13 and a half. She has been hospitalized twice since then.</P>
<P></P>
<P>She has always been outgoing, bubbly, interested in a lot of activities, and, unlike your son right now, she still is, but we have seen a side of her we never saw before: anger, depression, and hateful outbursts. She is especially angry over having to do the treatments, and she sobs and begs us to allow her to stop. She says she can't, she just can't, do them, and she wants to go back to the way it was, before diagnosis. To her it feels like the treatments and therapies have stolen her whole life, and, worse, have stolen her whole Self.</P>
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<P>I have noticed a pattern with her, though. Every time anything changes in herregimen(like after each clinic visit, hopitalization, or other times when the doctor orders something new), she gets very upset, and there are lots of angry outbursts and tears. She takes a giant step backward on the journey from anger to acceptance. She strikes out at us because she has no one else to attack, to punish, to demand reparations from, for what has been done to her. She has every right to be angry, and to grieve, and to feel cheated, we know. But usually after a big outburst, she begins to move forward. So the first time another treatment is added, she throws a fit. The next time she has to take that treatment, she is pouty and sullen and angry. But by the second or third day, she is noticeably less ugly and antagonistic about it, and between the treatments, we start to see our cheery girl again.</P>
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<P>She sees a child psychologist who works with CF patients--check your closest CF center or ask your pulmonologist to refer you to a therapist with experience with kids who have CF. This has helped her a great deal. The therapist suggested not doing CF stuff first thing in the morning or last thing at night, because our daughter objected to it being the first thing she was faced with every day, and the last thing she was thinking about before she went to bed. Also, we have bent over backwards to find things to distract or entertain her while she is doing therapy. We play board games or card games with her, hand her a sketchpad and other art supplies, or let her watch TV or play on the computer, for example, while she is doing breathing treatments or therapy. She likes to play Twenty Questions during CPT.</P>
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<P>And, against medical advice (they keep telling us we have to teach her to be independent, but we think we have time to do that later on, well before she leaves home for college), we have taken over the cleaning and sterilizing of her equipment. It just seemed like too much is already being asked of her, and we want to reduce the burden as much as possible right now. We will gradually transfer these responsibilities back to her later on.</P>
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<P>I tried to tell her that CF was a wolf we had to feed every day, at certain times, in order to make the wolf go away and leave us alone for several hours. We have blocks of time between treatments that are completely ours and have nothing to do with CF. But in order to keep the wolf from controlling our lives, we have tothrow him a bone about four times a day, every day. The wolf does not own us. This analogy has only been marginally successful with her. When she is having fun or actively involved in something, she does not think about CF. When she is having a treatment or doing a therapy, she thinks CF takes up her whole day.</P>
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<P>Pointing out that it could be a whole lot worse (and just walk around the hospital to convince yourself of this) works for me, but it does not seem to help my daughter much. She is so acutely aware that this is not fair, and she lets us know it! But I have had a little success with agreeingthat no, it isn't fair, and, yes, she hasbeen totally cheated, but then pointing out that life has also--many, many times--been unfair to her in a good way: she has gotten more than her fair share, more than others got, many times. So I focus on the good things and the happiness that she has experienced, and for some reason she is more responsive to this than she is to pointing out how much worse it can be for others.</P>
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<P>Our daughter wouldsay angrily"I don't care." It took me a while to figure out what that meant. Was it that she didn't care about what I was saying? About getting better? What? Turns out it means "Shut up, I don't care to talk about this or think about this anymore." She does not like to talk about CF, and she does not like being forced to think about it. With such a recent diagnosis, it is almost the only thing I think about, and my husband and I talk about it a lot. Friends and family are always asking, the phone calls are always about CF. I have realized that my daughter does not care to be dragged out of her 13-year-old's world into mine, and she does not want to hear about it anymore, thank you very much. So I try not to talk about it in her presence. My husband and I make sure we are not being overheard. I have told people I won't talk about it on the phone, and have gone to e-mail.</P>
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<P>At this age, your son's and my daughter's main job is to find out who they are, and, specifically,who they are as distinct from their parents. They had personalities, selves, identities, before the diagnosis, and they do not want us going before them like John the Baptist announcing to the world that they are CF kids. They are NOT CF kids; they are normal kids, with preferences and hobbies and friends and interests and dreams, and they also have CF. They are really scared that CF is going to swallow up their identities, and at their age, they were already struggling to find out who they are. They need all the help from us (and from our relatives, friends, and neighbors) in developing their own Selves and not becoming victims, not letting CF become their identity. (We are going to a large family reunion soon, and I have already started composing the e-mail I am going to send out in advance, asking the family not to talk about this or ask me about this at the reunion. The diagnosis was after the last reunion, and all my relatives are going to want to ask me about her, but that topic is off the table. We will be there to enjoy ourselves and have a mini-vacation, and my daughter does not like to be talked about, so my relatives are just going to have to talk to me about it via e-mail some other time.)</P>
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<P>I have gone on too long. I hope some of the things I have mentioned might work well in your family. Your son has his own personality, and his own needs, and, unfortunately, his own fears and pain, so what works in our family (and I don't really even know anymore what works in our family) will not necessarily be right for yours, but perhaps something I have said will be a jumping off point for you and him to move forward.</P>
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<P>Best wishes, and, please, know that you are NOT alone.</P>
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<P>Sincerely,</P>
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<P>Kate</P>
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CFtori

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I remember being diagnosed when I was little. I was diagnosed at 7 and I remember thinking when I was diagnosed all these negative things that you would think a little seven year old would never process. I was in denial that I had CF. We did a treatment in the morning, at school, and then evening and eventually when I grasped control in my pre- teens, I made sure that I didn't have to do treatments all the time. I'm almost 15 and I'm now regretting not doing them but I am managing to fit them back in. I hate remembering what life was like when I was really little... it reminds me what I can't do and makes me feel guilty for all the things I have taken for granted. Now I know I will never have that kind of life. I feel like I have visited two different worlds, one with me having CF, and one without. Except when I didn't know I had CF, I had awful stomach aches, coughing fits, dehydration leading to random passing out. But knowing I have CF and actually being treated makes a difference. I think I would be better off if I didn't know what it was like to live somewhat "Normally". It would be better if I didn't waste 7 years of my life without any treatment. But it all just makes me who I am.
 

CFtori

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I remember being diagnosed when I was little. I was diagnosed at 7 and I remember thinking when I was diagnosed all these negative things that you would think a little seven year old would never process. I was in denial that I had CF. We did a treatment in the morning, at school, and then evening and eventually when I grasped control in my pre- teens, I made sure that I didn't have to do treatments all the time. I'm almost 15 and I'm now regretting not doing them but I am managing to fit them back in. I hate remembering what life was like when I was really little... it reminds me what I can't do and makes me feel guilty for all the things I have taken for granted. Now I know I will never have that kind of life. I feel like I have visited two different worlds, one with me having CF, and one without. Except when I didn't know I had CF, I had awful stomach aches, coughing fits, dehydration leading to random passing out. But knowing I have CF and actually being treated makes a difference. I think I would be better off if I didn't know what it was like to live somewhat "Normally". It would be better if I didn't waste 7 years of my life without any treatment. But it all just makes me who I am.
 

CFtori

New member
I remember being diagnosed when I was little. I was diagnosed at 7 and I remember thinking when I was diagnosed all these negative things that you would think a little seven year old would never process. I was in denial that I had CF. We did a treatment in the morning, at school, and then evening and eventually when I grasped control in my pre- teens, I made sure that I didn't have to do treatments all the time. I'm almost 15 and I'm now regretting not doing them but I am managing to fit them back in. I hate remembering what life was like when I was really little... it reminds me what I can't do and makes me feel guilty for all the things I have taken for granted. Now I know I will never have that kind of life. I feel like I have visited two different worlds, one with me having CF, and one without. Except when I didn't know I had CF, I had awful stomach aches, coughing fits, dehydration leading to random passing out. But knowing I have CF and actually being treated makes a difference. I think I would be better off if I didn't know what it was like to live somewhat "Normally". It would be better if I didn't waste 7 years of my life without any treatment. But it all just makes me who I am.
 
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jessykt

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I'm 33, still hate treatments and still throw myself a pity party every once in awhile!

There's got to be some resources for your son through your cf clinic-do you see an individual pediatrician or a cf specialist? If you can't find someone knowledgeable in cf, maybe finding someone experienced in health related trauma would be the next best thing. As someone else said, many kids tend to open up to others while shutting their parents out.

I have a 12 year old, and the lessons that he needs to learn on his own are the most painful, so I understand your frustration in watching him go through this. I honestly don't have any good suggestions because I myself struggle with keeping a regimen. You said his regimen is "fairly simple," well, yes and no. It is very simple compared to being admitted, but I detest it with so much passion! I can't ever explain it to my husband, and I'm sure he feels the same way you do when you are arguing with your son. It certainly isn't simple when I've got so many other things to do!

Are you comfortable finding friends for him through here or some other cf site? I go through spurts of talking with other cfers, but lately it's been a great comfort to talk with others who do know exactly what I am going through. And you are right, there are tons of other cfers who have it way worse than he does, and maybe by connecting with those folks he will see that he's very fortunate and needs to keep it that way. Also, if he can connect to others who do live out their dreams (even if they did have to change) and succeed in being healthy and happy, he won't feel like he wants to die and just get it over with. I HATE cf, but it's also shaped who I am and what I love to do. I think it's been a good lesson in empathy and compassion, and I've found my passion in life is giving back to others.
 
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jessykt

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I'm 33, still hate treatments and still throw myself a pity party every once in awhile!

There's got to be some resources for your son through your cf clinic-do you see an individual pediatrician or a cf specialist? If you can't find someone knowledgeable in cf, maybe finding someone experienced in health related trauma would be the next best thing. As someone else said, many kids tend to open up to others while shutting their parents out.

I have a 12 year old, and the lessons that he needs to learn on his own are the most painful, so I understand your frustration in watching him go through this. I honestly don't have any good suggestions because I myself struggle with keeping a regimen. You said his regimen is "fairly simple," well, yes and no. It is very simple compared to being admitted, but I detest it with so much passion! I can't ever explain it to my husband, and I'm sure he feels the same way you do when you are arguing with your son. It certainly isn't simple when I've got so many other things to do!

Are you comfortable finding friends for him through here or some other cf site? I go through spurts of talking with other cfers, but lately it's been a great comfort to talk with others who do know exactly what I am going through. And you are right, there are tons of other cfers who have it way worse than he does, and maybe by connecting with those folks he will see that he's very fortunate and needs to keep it that way. Also, if he can connect to others who do live out their dreams (even if they did have to change) and succeed in being healthy and happy, he won't feel like he wants to die and just get it over with. I HATE cf, but it's also shaped who I am and what I love to do. I think it's been a good lesson in empathy and compassion, and I've found my passion in life is giving back to others.
 
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