Preventing Divorce (UPDATE -too late now)

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luke

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Grendel,

I believe that many times life gets in the way of love. Unfortunately, it takes a very special person to be able to deal with the life of CF and holding onto the feeling of "romatic love" would be difficult for some. The good news is that she stills love you or she wouldn't want to take care of you...it is how she is loving you is the problem. I have an easy answer just not an easy solution, bring the romance back in and move the CF back out. Make an effort to not let CF run your life, you know the old asthma commerical, "I have asthma but it doesn't have me?" Make an assertive effort to make her feel special and loved. From my experience women want many things but only need a few. 2 of which are to be wanted (not neccasarily needed) and to feel special. Think back to what got her to be in love with you in the first place and start from there. I am sure you didn't woo her with CPT and neb treatments so maybe just go back to what worked to begin with.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 

my65roses4me

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Luke I have to commend you on a great and thoughtful post. I couldn't have said it better!!! What insight you have!
 

my65roses4me

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Luke I have to commend you on a great and thoughtful post. I couldn't have said it better!!! What insight you have!
 

my65roses4me

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Luke I have to commend you on a great and thoughtful post. I couldn't have said it better!!! What insight you have!
 

LisaV

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Hi,
This is a common situation. I also think couples counseling would help but you'll have to make sure it is someone who is very familiar with working with couples where one has a chronic illness (Perhaps someone who is familiar with John Rollands work) Speaking of which if you can getting a copy of his book on Families and Illness (see <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/Families-Illness-Disability-Integrative-Treatment/dp/0465029159/ref=sr_1_1/103-8945966-0852664?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1">http://www.amazon.com/Families...&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1</a> ) you might want to read the intro and the chapter called (if I remember correctly) "In Sickness and in Health".

If her concerns are financial (like the health costs are killing you or it seems like she will have to quit work) then it actually possible the divorce might be the best way for you two to become lovers again since society and insurance will ask/expect a whole lot less of her as a lover than as an offical spouse. If her concerns are emotional there is stuff you can do too.


As some folks up here know I've been involved for decades with a group called WellSpouses and have heard many those folks talk about what caused them to feel more like caregivers than spouses and lovers. Luke's post in right on the mark there. For specific suggestions I would suggest that you:

#1 Take 100% responsibility for your own care and have her stop doing anything for you now. I don't know that you don't do that now, but I'll just list the kinds of things that sometimes folks have asked spouses to do. For example, don't have her do the "pounding" but use the vest or some other method. Also if you need IV antibiotics to either do them yourself or get an IV nurse in to help you (for this latter, shee' have her officially "refuse" to do them -if she works this is easier because she can say she is unavailable.) Don't have her make appointments for you. Don't have her go to any "regular" appointments with you.

#2 Focus on her. Ask her how her day went. Ask what you can do to help her with her responsibilities. Maybe you could learn to crockpot or stirfry a dinner or make breakfast for her or her lunch if she takes one. Romantic things are always good: flowers, little love notes, a massage, tell her she's pretty, (Nothing about how competent or responsible she is - she's feeling way too responsible.) What you're going for here is to get a smile on her face. If you can remember and do what you used to that caused her to smile you are a long way home. And maybe suggest a vacation - either together or apart. Is there some hobby that she gave up, perhaps this is the time for her to have the time and support (from you) to take it up again. Listen more than you talk.

She must be so focused on you - so obsessesed with the illness that she can only see leaving as a way of clearing her head and focusing on herself in a healthy way. Tell her by your words and your actions that you appreciate her efforts to empower you to live the fullest life that she can and that you are equally committed to empowering her to live her life to the fullest. Things must have been so out of wack for so long that it will have to be "all about her" for a while to even come back to somewhat of a balance.

Don't expect any results any time soon. It took a long time for her to be so burned out that she sees divorce as the only answser. She'll have to go from caregiver>friend>lover. She probably made the mistake that most of us who are new to chronic illness make which is to throw herself into interacting with you (who she ended up thinking as "sick") the same way she interacted with other people in her life who had an acute as opposed to a chronic illness. That model never works for chronic illness (see the Rolland book) because it involves putting your own needs almost completely aside to focus on the ill person untilo they become well. Since you will never be well she's feeling like there is no way out. But there is and turning it around can and does happen.

some brief stuff on the web is at
Stages in caregiving: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.wellspouse.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=1">http://www.wellspouse.org/inde...k=view&id=129&Itemid=1</a> (she's probably just givin up on heroic)
chronic illness and effect on family <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aamft.org/families/Consumer_Updates/ChronicIllness.asp ">http://www.aamft.org/families/...tes/ChronicIllness.asp</a>.

Keeping you both in my heart,
LisaV
 

LisaV

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Hi,
This is a common situation. I also think couples counseling would help but you'll have to make sure it is someone who is very familiar with working with couples where one has a chronic illness (Perhaps someone who is familiar with John Rollands work) Speaking of which if you can getting a copy of his book on Families and Illness (see <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/Families-Illness-Disability-Integrative-Treatment/dp/0465029159/ref=sr_1_1/103-8945966-0852664?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1">http://www.amazon.com/Families...&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1</a> ) you might want to read the intro and the chapter called (if I remember correctly) "In Sickness and in Health".

If her concerns are financial (like the health costs are killing you or it seems like she will have to quit work) then it actually possible the divorce might be the best way for you two to become lovers again since society and insurance will ask/expect a whole lot less of her as a lover than as an offical spouse. If her concerns are emotional there is stuff you can do too.


As some folks up here know I've been involved for decades with a group called WellSpouses and have heard many those folks talk about what caused them to feel more like caregivers than spouses and lovers. Luke's post in right on the mark there. For specific suggestions I would suggest that you:

#1 Take 100% responsibility for your own care and have her stop doing anything for you now. I don't know that you don't do that now, but I'll just list the kinds of things that sometimes folks have asked spouses to do. For example, don't have her do the "pounding" but use the vest or some other method. Also if you need IV antibiotics to either do them yourself or get an IV nurse in to help you (for this latter, shee' have her officially "refuse" to do them -if she works this is easier because she can say she is unavailable.) Don't have her make appointments for you. Don't have her go to any "regular" appointments with you.

#2 Focus on her. Ask her how her day went. Ask what you can do to help her with her responsibilities. Maybe you could learn to crockpot or stirfry a dinner or make breakfast for her or her lunch if she takes one. Romantic things are always good: flowers, little love notes, a massage, tell her she's pretty, (Nothing about how competent or responsible she is - she's feeling way too responsible.) What you're going for here is to get a smile on her face. If you can remember and do what you used to that caused her to smile you are a long way home. And maybe suggest a vacation - either together or apart. Is there some hobby that she gave up, perhaps this is the time for her to have the time and support (from you) to take it up again. Listen more than you talk.

She must be so focused on you - so obsessesed with the illness that she can only see leaving as a way of clearing her head and focusing on herself in a healthy way. Tell her by your words and your actions that you appreciate her efforts to empower you to live the fullest life that she can and that you are equally committed to empowering her to live her life to the fullest. Things must have been so out of wack for so long that it will have to be "all about her" for a while to even come back to somewhat of a balance.

Don't expect any results any time soon. It took a long time for her to be so burned out that she sees divorce as the only answser. She'll have to go from caregiver>friend>lover. She probably made the mistake that most of us who are new to chronic illness make which is to throw herself into interacting with you (who she ended up thinking as "sick") the same way she interacted with other people in her life who had an acute as opposed to a chronic illness. That model never works for chronic illness (see the Rolland book) because it involves putting your own needs almost completely aside to focus on the ill person untilo they become well. Since you will never be well she's feeling like there is no way out. But there is and turning it around can and does happen.

some brief stuff on the web is at
Stages in caregiving: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.wellspouse.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=1">http://www.wellspouse.org/inde...k=view&id=129&Itemid=1</a> (she's probably just givin up on heroic)
chronic illness and effect on family <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aamft.org/families/Consumer_Updates/ChronicIllness.asp ">http://www.aamft.org/families/...tes/ChronicIllness.asp</a>.

Keeping you both in my heart,
LisaV
 

LisaV

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Preventing Divorce

Hi,
This is a common situation. I also think couples counseling would help but you'll have to make sure it is someone who is very familiar with working with couples where one has a chronic illness (Perhaps someone who is familiar with John Rollands work) Speaking of which if you can getting a copy of his book on Families and Illness (see <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.amazon.com/Families-Illness-Disability-Integrative-Treatment/dp/0465029159/ref=sr_1_1/103-8945966-0852664?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1">http://www.amazon.com/Families...&qid=1179626219&sr=8-1</a> ) you might want to read the intro and the chapter called (if I remember correctly) "In Sickness and in Health".

If her concerns are financial (like the health costs are killing you or it seems like she will have to quit work) then it actually possible the divorce might be the best way for you two to become lovers again since society and insurance will ask/expect a whole lot less of her as a lover than as an offical spouse. If her concerns are emotional there is stuff you can do too.


As some folks up here know I've been involved for decades with a group called WellSpouses and have heard many those folks talk about what caused them to feel more like caregivers than spouses and lovers. Luke's post in right on the mark there. For specific suggestions I would suggest that you:

#1 Take 100% responsibility for your own care and have her stop doing anything for you now. I don't know that you don't do that now, but I'll just list the kinds of things that sometimes folks have asked spouses to do. For example, don't have her do the "pounding" but use the vest or some other method. Also if you need IV antibiotics to either do them yourself or get an IV nurse in to help you (for this latter, shee' have her officially "refuse" to do them -if she works this is easier because she can say she is unavailable.) Don't have her make appointments for you. Don't have her go to any "regular" appointments with you.

#2 Focus on her. Ask her how her day went. Ask what you can do to help her with her responsibilities. Maybe you could learn to crockpot or stirfry a dinner or make breakfast for her or her lunch if she takes one. Romantic things are always good: flowers, little love notes, a massage, tell her she's pretty, (Nothing about how competent or responsible she is - she's feeling way too responsible.) What you're going for here is to get a smile on her face. If you can remember and do what you used to that caused her to smile you are a long way home. And maybe suggest a vacation - either together or apart. Is there some hobby that she gave up, perhaps this is the time for her to have the time and support (from you) to take it up again. Listen more than you talk.

She must be so focused on you - so obsessesed with the illness that she can only see leaving as a way of clearing her head and focusing on herself in a healthy way. Tell her by your words and your actions that you appreciate her efforts to empower you to live the fullest life that she can and that you are equally committed to empowering her to live her life to the fullest. Things must have been so out of wack for so long that it will have to be "all about her" for a while to even come back to somewhat of a balance.

Don't expect any results any time soon. It took a long time for her to be so burned out that she sees divorce as the only answser. She'll have to go from caregiver>friend>lover. She probably made the mistake that most of us who are new to chronic illness make which is to throw herself into interacting with you (who she ended up thinking as "sick") the same way she interacted with other people in her life who had an acute as opposed to a chronic illness. That model never works for chronic illness (see the Rolland book) because it involves putting your own needs almost completely aside to focus on the ill person untilo they become well. Since you will never be well she's feeling like there is no way out. But there is and turning it around can and does happen.

some brief stuff on the web is at
Stages in caregiving: <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.wellspouse.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=1">http://www.wellspouse.org/inde...k=view&id=129&Itemid=1</a> (she's probably just givin up on heroic)
chronic illness and effect on family <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.aamft.org/families/Consumer_Updates/ChronicIllness.asp ">http://www.aamft.org/families/...tes/ChronicIllness.asp</a>.

Keeping you both in my heart,
LisaV
 

blondelawyer

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Sorry to hear that you are going through this. As a spouse to a person with CF, I can say that it is difficult. CF adds so much more complexity to a marriage--which as anyone who is married knows, is a lot of work on its own. I agree with the others that counseling may be the best bet. I also agree with the other posts about trying to take the focus off of CF and onto the relationship. I know that there are times when I get completely overwhelmed with my role as a "caregiver" (I actually hate that word, but I don't know what else to call it). And sometimes I think that it hard to separate the different roles. Maybe your wife just needs you to let her know that you don't expect her to do everything--I know that there are times when I feel this immense pressure to do and be everything. Thank her and let her know how much you appreciate her. Also, thinjk back to when you first got together--what did you together? Try to recreate some of that.

Also, has your wife come on this site at all? There are a bunch of spouses around here--maybe the support would be good for her too. I know that I appreciate it and really need a place to be able to talk about the challenges, etc.

Thanks for your post--this is a good reminder for me to make sure that my husband and I are connecting. I think that the past few months have taken a toll on us.
 

blondelawyer

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Preventing Divorce

Sorry to hear that you are going through this. As a spouse to a person with CF, I can say that it is difficult. CF adds so much more complexity to a marriage--which as anyone who is married knows, is a lot of work on its own. I agree with the others that counseling may be the best bet. I also agree with the other posts about trying to take the focus off of CF and onto the relationship. I know that there are times when I get completely overwhelmed with my role as a "caregiver" (I actually hate that word, but I don't know what else to call it). And sometimes I think that it hard to separate the different roles. Maybe your wife just needs you to let her know that you don't expect her to do everything--I know that there are times when I feel this immense pressure to do and be everything. Thank her and let her know how much you appreciate her. Also, thinjk back to when you first got together--what did you together? Try to recreate some of that.

Also, has your wife come on this site at all? There are a bunch of spouses around here--maybe the support would be good for her too. I know that I appreciate it and really need a place to be able to talk about the challenges, etc.

Thanks for your post--this is a good reminder for me to make sure that my husband and I are connecting. I think that the past few months have taken a toll on us.
 

blondelawyer

New member
Preventing Divorce

Sorry to hear that you are going through this. As a spouse to a person with CF, I can say that it is difficult. CF adds so much more complexity to a marriage--which as anyone who is married knows, is a lot of work on its own. I agree with the others that counseling may be the best bet. I also agree with the other posts about trying to take the focus off of CF and onto the relationship. I know that there are times when I get completely overwhelmed with my role as a "caregiver" (I actually hate that word, but I don't know what else to call it). And sometimes I think that it hard to separate the different roles. Maybe your wife just needs you to let her know that you don't expect her to do everything--I know that there are times when I feel this immense pressure to do and be everything. Thank her and let her know how much you appreciate her. Also, thinjk back to when you first got together--what did you together? Try to recreate some of that.

Also, has your wife come on this site at all? There are a bunch of spouses around here--maybe the support would be good for her too. I know that I appreciate it and really need a place to be able to talk about the challenges, etc.

Thanks for your post--this is a good reminder for me to make sure that my husband and I are connecting. I think that the past few months have taken a toll on us.
 
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