Question about drinking pop/soda and CF?

Faust

New member
You won't find a friend of artificial sweeteners in me by any shot, and whenever I have the chance I drink a good quality juice (cranberry, apple, dark grape, pomegranite, etc). One part of your post I noticed stood out. 25% reduction in the bloods level of oxygen per can of carbonated water consumed? That seems pretty rediculous. So, assuming it's cumulative, if I drink 4 cans of soda in one sitting (which most everyone has), the oxygen level in my blood is reduced 100% for three hours? What about if I drink 8. Can I go past 100%? How about if I drink 4 gallons of seltzer water...Would I create a black hole?
 
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littlemisssilly

Guest
I'm probably going to start a fight here but hopefully not ....<br>
<br>
Please take quasi research off the internet with a grain of salt. I
find it impossible to believe that a can of soda will deplete a
person's 02 saturation by 25% for however many hours, there's
simply no physiological basis for it that I can think of. Blood 02
levels saturation levels are mainly controlled by the gaseous
exchange that occurs in the lungs, if someone has even reasonably
normal lung capacity and function there's no reason for their 02
saturation to drop. Other factors affecting 02 levels include
someone's haemoglobin level.<br>
<br>
Carbon monoxide (car fumes) and cigarettes almost certainly affect
02 saturation levels but even still, ruling out any underlying
respiratory disease like asthma, CF, emphysema or COPD, smokers
still (almost always) display 02 saturation levels within normal
limits (ie above 96%) although yes, they probably will be lower
compared to someone who doesn't smoke, so I really find it
hard to believe that soda will be worse for someone's 02 levels
than cigarettes.<br>
<br>
Before I get jumped on: S, I know you were merely quoting and this
isn't personal attack on you and no, I don't advocate soda drinks,
I think they're terrible regardless, I just hate seeing
misinformation and sensationalistic stories causing
unnecessary anxiety in people. Thanks for listening.
 
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IG

Guest
The nutrasweet stuff is usually just incorrect information.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html">http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html</a> FDA link on aspartame, or nutrasweet
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsID.265/healthissue_detail.asp">http://www.acsh.org/healthissu...healthissue_detail.asp</a> American Council on Science and Health
etc. I can come up with a ton more if necessary.

I think this is kind of like the DHMO scare.
If you want to find something REALLY scary read about this.
Dihydrogen monoxide:

* is also known as hydric acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
* contributes to the Greenhouse Effect.
* may cause severe burns.
* contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
* accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
* may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
More.. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.dhmo.org/truth/Dihydrogen-Monoxide.html
">http://www.dhmo.org/truth/Dihydrogen-Monoxide.html
</a>Sounds like we should ban it right?

Think again.
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHMO">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHMO</a> <- Here´s the truth behind it, you be surprised.
So it is best NOT to trust everything you find on the internet
 

Faust

New member
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame#Health_risks_controversy
">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...lth_risks_controversy
</a>
Read down on the health risks controvery section. Controversial enough for me to avoid it, even if I didn't know of real life people who suffered due to it's use. My lady had a patient at her dental office who had 1-3 diet cokes a day. She hadn't been seen in a while, which was odd because she always got regular cleanings. She came in one day looking like real crap. My lady asked where she had been, she said that she started to feel like total crap, and her skin was extremely sensitive to the touch. She started to notice a discolored fluid coming out of her skin. She went to the doctor of course and the doctor freaked out. He told her that the chemical aspartame was depositing itself under her skin, and if she didn't stop injesting the chemical, she would die. There were other notable complications as to why she would die, but I can't recall what they were. Regardless, she was in bad shape. She admitted she was addicted to diet coke, but only had 1-3 a day. She stopped cold turkey (no sources of aspartame) and her condition went away and now she is fine. The doctor said the condition wasn't common, but it had been reported before.


My other friend Doug, was drinking diet drinks with aspartame. Maybe 5 a day I guess. He was fine health and mental wise before he started on the drinks. A few months in, he started getting very weird symptoms. Mostly nerve related and mental anxiety related. Sometimes he would just freak out and feel like he needed to rip off his clothes, like to get away from himself. I know it sounds weird, but no other notable intake of chemicals or life stressors were present during his freak out period. He talked to several doctors, and they had no idea why he would just start presenting such weird, abnormal conditions/symptoms out of the blue, when he was fine just several months before. They asked about diet, and he said he had been drinking diet cokes. They figured he was having some very unsual reactions to it, and told him to stop drinking the stuff. He informed them he was addicted to the stuff also. He started reducing his intake, and finally got off the stuff. His conditions/symptoms disappeared.


Remember guys, it's the FDA. The same company who approved of Thalidamide, who said it showed no apparent health risks and was "safe", and which has accounted for countless birth defects. They are an agency that is heavily pandered to with real big money from lobbyists, especially drug/chemical companies. I've seen tons of documentaries and investigative reports dealing with inappropriate dealings within the FDA and other governing bodies of the federal government with supervisory responsibility towards supposed consumer safety. I don't buy it for a second. If a drug company really wants to get a drug/substance on the market for humans to consume, and as long as the drug doesn't immediately make rats or immediate patient trials explode or grow toes on their foreheads, they will more than likely label it atleast GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) and let it go.


While I agree that most internet research really needs to be looked at deeper, as for credibility, knowing two people in real life (one real close) who have had obvious problems with the substance, and one who almost died from it's casual use, and the boatloads of aspartame warning related sites out there, and even non biased sources such as wikipedia stating that aspartame is the FDA's most frequently complained about substance, it gives me enough circumstancial evidence to not mess with the substance. I'm sure we could inundate each other with pro and con internet URL's, but there really isn't any point.


One thing people should know is that there are two healthy, all natural low/zero calorie substitutes, with no concern for the mysterious health ailments that many claim with aspartame and other artificial sweetener uses.


One is Xylitol, here is a link:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.xylitol.org/
">http://www.xylitol.org/
</a>

The one I prefer to use is Stevia. It goes way back to early indian use in Paraguay. The diet coke in either China or Japan is sweetened with stevia, as opposed to aspartame. Stevia also has reported health benefits. I consume sugar (if I do, I try to consume whole sugars), but when it comes to drinking sweet drinks, I also am concerned about tanking on the weight (I already drink beer so thats a double negative), so a natural, healthy alternative sweetener to sugar is desireable. You can order stevia crystal powder on the net ot from health food stores. You can also plant your own stevia at your house. The leaves are amazinging sweet. The substance is reported to be 100-450 times sweeter than sugar. I also have large bags of dried stevia leaves. You can bake with it, and boil the leaves to make a stevia syrup to add to drinks and other things you want to sweeten. Here is a link:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.stevia.net/
">http://www.stevia.net/
</a>

The FDA and their big money lobbyists like monsanto (who makes Aspartame), and the sugar cane industry, don't want Stevia to be used and classified as a sweetener in the US. For the same reasons why the textile/cotton industry don't want Hemp to become a widespread fabric, because it is vastly superior, safer, and just all out better to use/consume.


I'd recommend people really look into more natural low/no calorie sweetener substitutes. Stevia and Xylitol are good starts, and i'd personally choose stevia over any others. There is a ton of good information on the internet about stevia, that site is a good place to start.

Read this:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia
">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia
</a>

Notice this part:

n 1991, at the request of an anonymous complainant, the United States Food and Drug Administration labelled stevia as an "unsafe food additive", and restricted its import. The FDA's stated reason was "toxicological information on stevia is inadequate to demonstrate its safety" [4]. This ruling was controversial, as stevia proponents pointed out this designation goes against the FDA's guidelines, under which any natural substance used prior to 1958 with no reported adverse effects should be recognized as safe. After stevia was banned, several of members of the FDA board left their jobs. They were all hired at the Nutrasweet Company (a Monsanto subsidiary) in higher pay jobs, according to National (government) records. This has been criticized as a legal bribe by Nutrasweet to the FDA, to ban Stevia (then Nutrasweet's main competitor) in the U.S.


A bit fishy don't ya think?


People tend to back what they use, regardless if there is any negative information regarding it's use. You talk to a smoker about the dangers of smoking, and you will probably get the whole "Yeah well ya gotta die of something", or "Yeah well my grandfather smokes till he died at 95". Same can be said of any substance with overt negativity associated with it, and artificial sweeteners are no different (i'm not comparing smoking and artifical sweeteners, i'm just making a general analogy). If someone consumes artificial sweeteners and nothing notably bad has happened to them symptom wise, they will point out the FDA says it's safe, and there is no concrete evidence to say otherwise.

I personally think the FDA is a corrupt organization, with much more interest than consumer safety...Not to mention they have shown gross misjudgement in the past that has resulted in injury and defect in consumers. To me, stevia is the only way to go if you want a no/low calorie sweetener other than sugar. A good second choice is xylitol. Other than those two, I think any other choices aren't good idea.
 

JazzysMom

New member
Back to the original ????. I consume soda occaisionally. More of take a sip of my hubbys here & there than drink my own. I dont drink much of any carbonated drinks of any kind because the acid/bubbles do a Number to my belly. My drinks usually consist of milk & water. I do throw in apple juice (100% juice not apple drink) & sweetened ice tea. The ice tea is usually my "treat" with Pizza or something that doesnt seem right to drink milk or water with. My hubby is a <b><i><u>MASSIVE</i></u></b> soda drinker. His diet consists of coffee (with sugar & milk) & soda. Once a year I think he has a glass of milk with breakfast or a glass of orange juice. His health is actually quite good (so far & surprisingly) so I think much depends on the person natural order of things as well. My CF doctors never told me to not consume it. I do know that in general it has been said to deplete calcium!
 

Scarlett81

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If anything I'm so distended as it is-I don't want to put gas bubbles into my gut. My gut doesn't need em!
And for me-its that soda is artificial, and has too much sugar. My nutritionist told me that a bottle of Snapple has over 16 tablespoons of sugar in it. I would think soda has that at least-possibly more.
If you have the cf weigt issue-or especially if its a kid, why fill the kid up with empty sugar calories when you can fill them up with something nutritional.
Everything in moderation. Like I said-I enjoy the occasional soda for a treat. I just cringe when I see a mother putting soda in their kids sippy cup!!!
 

anonymous

New member
I think that you should drink whatever suits your palate. If you have a soda every once in a while that is probably reasonable. As for natural or organic juice is probably a good choice for a daily beverage, unless it is made from concentrate, which usually means it has been processed and flavored with corn syrup, etc. My guess is that water is what we CFers should consume 60%-90% of the time.

However, that being said, I think CFers, much less anyone else, who use and think that soda is a form of "good calories" or hydration is a fool who deserves all the maladies befalling such stupidity.

With all the health issues that present CFers, why would you not drink just plain water most of the time? The caffeine in sodas dehydrate, the sugars are empty and processed, the gas or effervescence, as propagated by the US Olympic team, reduces one's hydration potential, the phosphorus impacts calcium processing (which affect the bones and the muscles), and the coloring and favoring additives can't be good for one either.

For those who want to act like 4 year olds and respond, "I do what I want!" go a head. Good for you. But while your body is fighting a war of attrition where each and every action you take has the potential to direct the consequence of your tentative health and abbreviated longevity, and consequently losing said war due to your shortsighted pursuit to satisfy your junk-food desires, I and all those who decide that water is better than a coke, or a bag of carrots is better than a bag of Ruffles, etc, we will be keep you in our thoughts and memories long after you have perished.

Sounds harsh, but my point is junk food is junk, and the occasional pop is fine, but if you want good health you have to pursue it, not wish upon a star.

Best,
Brian
 

Faust

New member
I read somewhere that someone who drinks one soda a day, puts on X amount of lbs per year. I think that is if that person already reaches the 2000 calorie a day suggested intake, and then adds a soda. You will notice those people who drink a couple or more sodas a day (I know massive mountain dew geeks who swill tons of the stuff down during the day) are always chunky, pear shaped, or just flat out fat. It's just way too easy to introduce tons of not needed empty calories into your body on that stuff. Same goes for the guy who drinks a six pack a day beer wise, and thats bad on another level due to constant introduction of alcohol. I used to have the adage of "A soda a day, with my dinner" kind of thing, but if you keep that nice taste coming in, something extremely good tasting like black cherry vanilla Dr. Pepper for instance, your body really likes it, and you will make excuses to drink more during the day, so I think that doesn't work that well.
 

Seana30

New member
dyza,

Same here! My teeth are is SUCH bad shape and I could never figure out why seeing I brush at least three times a day!

The oral surgeon, who recently had to remove 5 of my molars, asked if I drink soda. When I said yes he asked how often I brush. He told me everytime I brushed after drinking soda I was brushing the enamel right off.

I do not allow my children to have soda, not even Courtney. I know how addicted I am to it! I will allow them to have one when we go out to eat, but they NEVER have it when we are at home. Milk, water, and juice is all they get at home.


Seana
 

anonymous

New member
oh man thats scary stuff about dyhydrogen monoxide...geez...and to think how common it is....sigh......lol <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

amanda
 

anonymous

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No way here too. I have always ate and drank whatever I wanted and still do! Mind you I do drink ALOT of pepsi tho...I am trying to cut back( I can go through 24 pepsi in 2 days). I drink and eat anything and everything.

37yr old female with CF
 

anonymous

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I'm 29, 30 next month, and have drank allot of soda my whole life. Since I was about 15 I started to only drink coke...about 3-4 cans a day. I've spoke to many Dr.'s about this and the majority out come is "don't believe everything you here". I won't give this "bad" habit up! It's my ONLY "bad" habit, I don't drink, don't do drugs...and I very much enjoy my coke a cola. I take calcium supliments daily and drink homo milk with all meals. I never drink a coke alone, and always drink through a straw. I'm doing great, my bone density tests (yearly) are fine. I was a border line diabetic in 1999 and was told in about 2yrs I will develope CFRD well not until over 7 yrs did I develope CFRD. I still drink coke and generally speaking I'm damn healthy! So what do I say ...drink away!
 

anonymous

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Both my kids are big milk drinkers. I would let my 7 year have an occasional soda(I'm talking one every couple months or so) if he wants because I think if it's an absolute no then that's all they'll want. My 7 year old(no Cf) doesn't even really like soda anyway something about the bubbles. My daughter with Cf is only 3 and drinks lots of whole milk with a splash of cream. I also like the Langer's juice either cran-grape or grape juice, but I only let her have 1-2 cups a day. She would drink juice all day long if i let her. Our nutritionsist said too much juice can upset any kids stomach causing diahrea, perhaps cause of all the sugar in juice. We don't need any more poop issues so we just focus on milk. My daughter with Cf 3 has never had soda, if she asked for it I would give her a sip but that's it.

Rebecca
 

anonymous

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Eh I mostly drink diet caffiene free. I have NEVER seen anything about artificial sweetners that was that convincing to me. Hype mostly. I don't do a whole lot of internet research because you canf ind stuff to stupport whatever you want. Mopst websites I have seen that warn about the dangers of artifical sweetners, I would consider "quack" sites. And seeing the one poster here posting about the dangers of it, I think that proves my point as I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth...never know when he might be drunk and just having some fun joking around *roll eyes*

I also have the occasional sprite or gingerale. I love apple juice and that is what I crave when sick. Mostly though when I drink anything besides water its Gatorade! Especially in the summer as its great for dealing salt loss issues due to CF. I also occasionally have a glass of orange juice with breakfast or a cherry coke when eating out

I have had bone loss issues and was borderline osteopenia at age 16. BUT I was assured by all my doctors that it was due to the long term prednisone, my CF and the severe milk allergy I had as a child(way back before everything was calcium fortified and there were other calcium sources that weren't derived from dairy)
 
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