Random questions about transplant

KrazyKat

New member
Hi there
I'm currently listed and waiting, and thinking, and thinking and thinking...... i'm sure you all know how it is, thousands of questions whizzing around my head all day every day, but as I have cepacia i'm unable to actually meet somebody who's been transplanted and put them through an interrogation, blargh! So........
Did any of you NOT become diabetic post transplant?
How much weight did you put on post transplant and in what time frame?
Did you have clubbed fingers/toes pre transplant and have they improved or disappeared all together post transplant?
Did you get hairy and spotty from the steroids?
And finally, everybody says that post transplant the recovery is really hard. What i'm wanting to know is, in what way is it hard? Pain? Emotionally? Physically hard to gain strength back? I just want to know a little bit more specifically, what is so hard about it, I want to be prepared.
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coltsfan715

New member
Hi there,

For your first question - I was diabetic pre transplant and remained so post transplant.

I weighed about 108lbs when I was listed, 117lbs when I walked into the ER for my transplant and 105lbs when I left the hospital 12 days after my transplant. I gained the weight back after about 6 months post transplant I started to gain my weight back. I now weigh 125-130lbs depending on the day. At my heaviest post transplant (about 2 years post) I weighed 140lbs, but that was short lived. I am now 5 years post transplant and have weighed roughly the same for the majority of my post transplant life.

I did have some clubbing pre transplant and it goes away slowly post transplant, but much like how it doesn't happen over night it won't go away over night. I can tell as time passes that my nails have flattened out.

I did and do go through phases while I am on higher doses of steroids where I have extra facial hair growth. It isn't anything that a little wax hasn't been able to take care of, but it is annoying. When I am on lower maintenance doses of steroids I don't have that problem, but if I am on higher doses I do get it. I also have a hard time with losing my hair more so than usual when I am on higher doses of steroids. I also had a period where I would break out more often - but again that was due to the higher doses of steroid. On the lower maintenance doses I don't get break outs really ever. The worst for me with the steroids is the puffy moon face. I have yet to figure out how to deal with that one, but it comes and goes depending on the dosage that I am on at the time.

As for how is it hard - all of the above. Transplant is one of the, if not the, most difficult things I have ever been through. It is emotionally draining. Preparing for transplant from a mental perspective is tough. There are so many unknowns because it is new territory for us. We have gone our entire lives knowing what to expect with having CF to starting over in a way and relearning what we need to do to take care of ourselves. It is hard for some in terms of pain, for me I was miserable with pain but others I know have barely taken pain meds. Physically yes it is hard. It is a lot easier than I anticipated but it is still hard. You have to work and exercise in order to open up your airways and improve your lung function. You are restricted for weeks and months in what you are able to do because of the surgery. It is a slow process at times and you have to be completely dedicated to doing it. Overall it is hard because it is a lot. It isn't just getting new healthy lungs - it is learning all the new meds, exercising, mentally adjusting to a new kind of lifestyle, coping with any guilt, change in abilities (good and bad), etc. It is a new way of life, a new life in general and it takes some adjusting.

I wish there was one thing that could be said to prepare you for what it is actually like, but regardless of what anyone says you may go in thinking you are ready and you probably won't be. I went into mine mentally preparing myself for the worst but hoping for the best. It was challenging, but worth it. If I had to make the choice again I would do it no hesitation to questions.

Good luck with everything.

Lindsey
 

summer732

New member
Hi!

Welcome to the journey of transplant! I remember that feeling of all of the questions swirling in your mind like it was yesterday. I talked to enough people on this site that after 4 months of asking questions, I literally didn't have any more questions to ask. So keep asking those questions because you will reach a point where you feel that you have asked every question that you could possibly ask and then you feel ready for the call.

- Did any of you NOT become diabetic post transplant?
I was starting to develop diabetes so my transplant pushed me over the edge. I am now fully diabetic, insulin dependent.

-How much weight did you put on post transplant and in what time frame?
I am 4'11". I weighed 78 pounds (precariously thin) when I was called for my transplant. I left the hospital at 72 pounds - I just didn't have that much weight to lose! I don't remember how quickly I gained weight back but it didn't take long. I never used my feeding tube again since I was absorbing more of the calories I was eating and I wasn't burning calories by coughing all day. I am 7.5 years out of my transplant and weigh around 105 lbs. The highest I have ever weighed was 115 lbs but that was from treatment from PTLD which caused a tumor to develop in my throat (that's a story for another day). My current weight is where I am comfortable.

-Did you have clubbed fingers/toes pre transplant and have they improved or disappeared all together post transplant?
Yes, I had both clubbed fingers and toes. My fingers are much improved and you can't notice any clubbing. My toes are better, however, my big toes are still clubbed a bit. Not nearly as much as pre-transplant and it's probably something that only I notice at this point. But yes, I saw a lot of improvement in this area.

-Did you get hairy and spotty from the steroids?
No extra hair that isn't handled by waxing. I always had to get my eyebrows and lip waxed so that wasn't a big deal. And I hate hair on my body so I'm pretty high maintenance either way when it comes to that. The only hair that I want is the gorgeous hair that I have been blessed with on my head.

-And finally, everybody says that post transplant the recovery is really hard. What i'm wanting to know is, in what way is it hard? Pain? Emotionally? Physically hard to gain strength back? I just want to know a little bit more specifically, what is so hard about it, I want to be prepared.

For me, transplant was more emotionally painful than physically. I had tremendous feelings of guilt but I had worked through that prior to getting my transplant so I was very mentally prepared when I got the call. I just had struggles with knowing someone was going to lose their life. I had to train my brain to understand that this person wasn't dying because I needed a transplant. Unfortunately, it was my donor's time and that had nothing to do with me. Once I got over that, I was okay mentally. I adjusted to my new life very quickly. I was so excited looking down the path of everything that I wanted to accomplish...and I knew the transplant was the only way to get that done. I slept a lot right after the transplant as my body recovered. I was on percocet for 9 days while I was in the hospital and then I went home and only took extra strenght Tylenol. Rehab was difficult since your body becomes weakened but as you gain your strength it is exciting to see what your body can do. I needed help bathing for a month or two after transplant. The healing process is slow and I would say it took me 12 months to feel back to normal (and a whole new, wonderful, incredibly amazing normal).

Transplant is an interesting journey. It is one where you have to be physically ready and able to take on the world. Recovering is a full time job. Your health has to be the most important thing. Your health has to be your only priority. After a while, if all goes well, life becomes normal. You learn how to deal with colds and illness with your new lungs. The biggest compliment I get today when I tell someone that I had a transplant and they say "if you didn't tell me, I never would have known".

You didn't ask about what I can do now after I had my transplant, but I will tell you any way. I live in a big city. Commute to work. Work full time. Go out with friends. Work out. Run half marathons. Go to the beach. Go skiing. Go for long walks. Plan a wedding. Swim in the pool and horse around with my little cousins. Laugh without coughing. Go in the ocean and jump the waves. Clean my own apartment and do my own laundry (I needed help with that before). Enjoy food.

When you can breathe, the world is your oyster. Buckle up. It's one hell of a ride.
 

KrazyKat

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Thanks Lindsey and Summer, your replies were great, much appreciated<img title="Smile" src="include/wysiwyg/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" />
 

cftransplant

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I was not diabetic pre TX but became post TX. As the meds were reduced I ended up getting off the diabetic requirements. On high dose steroids, back to being a diabetic. Currently, not diabetic. My physicians were very surprised. I was heavy pre TX, lost weight and wanted to write a book on the TX diet. I had a very tough course, spent over 2 months in the hospital, out for a day and back for weeks. This is very unlikely for you. I had pneumonia in my new lungs with no immune system. I was lighter post TX and had to put on weight. I became a bit heavy, still under my TX weight, now I have lost 15% since my pre TX weight. I had clubbed fingers, gone today, years post TX. I am an old guy, hair growth was not an issue or thought, but I understand women are concerned. I had a tough physical climb to get back in shape. In the gym for months, required by my TX program. My first day out of the hospital, I could not get up into the seat in my truck, could not climb one stair without help. Went back to the hospital the next day septic. Tough times. Three months later after my final hospital stay, I could walk, drive, stairs, etc. with improvement over the years. You will recover faster because you are unlikely to be in the hospital for months, and you are young. Emotionally was very tough on my wife, I became tired of being in the hospital on a vent. Exercise and recovery felt great. Not that emotional from my stand point. Not that much pain from the TX. Some issues post TX that you will not likely have to deal with, were painfull and not fun. Post TX I am more prone to not want to put up with many things. Life is very short. Many adventures since my TX and they continue. Exercise post TX or do not expect a great outcome. PS I still have cepacia, so it goes. Pre and post TX. Best of luck on your new adventure. CF 62 cepacia, 12 years out from my TX
 

RitaFairchild

New member
I go in two weeks for tx evaluation.... so glad to be able to read the replies posted here... My mother is majorly concerned about my body rejecting the new lungs.... I think she needs to read a few posts on this site
 

cftransplant

New member
Rita:
My evaluation for transplant with cepacia, was at your current age. TX at the age of 49, with my 50th birthday in the hospital post TX. I certainly have lost friends through rejection. Considering that I had months to live, quality of life was declining (circling the drain), the grasping at a TX bought me 12 years and counting. TX is a Faustian deal, the meds, the infection risk, the lifelong issues. CF's trade a chronic disease for an acute disease post TX. Post TX things happen quickly and can"t be ignored. It comes down to the decision to roll the dice, are you feeling lucky? Perhaps you can set a new record for the new years of your life post TX. In the past, CF was terminal with lung destruction. We are the first generation to have an option for the old failing lungs. If you or your mother ever need to talk to someone directly, let me know. My wife is a nurse (non CF) and can certainly give you her perspective. I was told by one center that the outcome is seldom good. Do your own research, it is obviously a serious and one way door. Let's see if you can make it to 70 with a borrowed set of lungs.
 

coltsfan715

New member
I just read through the replies and have to agree with Summer about the greatest compliment. I get the same compliment from people "If you hadn't told me I wouldn't have known." It is wonderful to hear. I will add, like Summer did, what I am able to do.

I work part time and am going to school full time. I was working full time and going to school part-time until a few months ago. I have 2 dogs that I walk with daily, go out with friends, have gone sky diving, travelled to new places, go to sporting events, ride a bike (this one was huge for me as I no longer could without wanting to die when I was pre transplant) and the list goes on. I can laugh without coughing, eat without getting exhausted, I can get up at 5:30am go to work, leave work and go to school, come home and walk the dog or go to the gym, eat dinner and go to bed around 11pm and still feel good though yes a tiny bit tired. Before my transplant I would have gone to school and called it a day.

Also just wanted to put it out there. As for rejection, I was diagnosed with Chronic Rejection in February. I am stable for the time being, but I did lose about a liter of lung function while we were trying different treatments searching for the one that would work. I was talking to my family about it and a friend who has had transplant as well and I must say that even though I am now at about 60% FEV1 where as I had been at 90%FEV1 since about 6 months post transplant til earlier this year, I still feel good. It has taken some adjustment because it all happened so fast, meaning I went from 3 liters to 2 liters of lung function in about 2-3 months so my body had to adjust, but I would take Post Lung transplant Chronic Rejection 60% FEV1 over CF lung 60% any day of the week. Most days I do not cough, though I do get short of breath at times the biggest adjustment in dealing with the rejection is the change in meds and how the medications are affecting my body more than anything.

I just wanted to put that out there because you said it was a concern for your mom and I am sure it is for you too. It isn't ideal,but it isn't necessarily the end of the world with chronic rejection or acute rejection. As my docs told me about chronic rejection 1/3 of patients are treated, stabilize and actually regain some lost lung function, 1/3 of patients are treated and stabilize but do not regain any lost lung function and 1/3 of patients are treated but unfortunately nothing helps and they face re transplant. So the bright side is a patient with chronic rejection has a 2/3 chance of being treated and stabilizing if not better, which are pretty decent odds.

Good luck with everything truly. It is a journey and if you head down that road it is one heck of a ride. It is a lot of work at times, but as mentioned when you can breathe it honestly doesn't seem THAT bad in comparison to what it could be.

Sending well wishes and thoughts to you as you start your journey.

Lindsey
 

yogibear1967

New member
Have any of you prior to transplant get so irritated of how sick you were, interrupted, angry to the point of saying I will put on my oxygen later or PT later. Things like that as I no that can go against you when getting transplant. My son is 19 and very fed up with being sick and told the PT person the doctors were idiots as they put him through a surgery that was not necessary because of a faulty ultrasound of liver shunt flow. He is going to be listed for liver/lung. Lung funtion was 110% a yr and half ago and now it's 30%. I saw the trend and kept asking is he ready to be evaluated and at this rate he will have no lung function and they kept saying no. Now at 30% it might be too late. Liver apparently is going down hill quick and I believe caused lung funtion to plummit. They don't think so! Any imput would be great!
 

jamiebug

New member
I am almost 5 years post transplant and I am not technically "diabetic" I control my blood sugars with diet and exercise. I weighed 88 lbs before my transplant (I'm 5'0") and I dropped down to 68 lbs after surgery. Within 9 months I weighed well over 100 lbs. I currently weigh 110 lbs. You will find that post transplant you will actually gain weight waaaaaay easier and may find yourself struggling to not be 'overweight'.

My clubbing was very noticeable and it does gradually decrease. No one even notices mine unless I point it out. I even wore acrylic nails for the first time in my life just a few months after my transplant and they stayed on very good and looked "Fabulous!!"

Recovery is hard in every aspect of the word "hard". It's PAINFUL, it's emotional, it's scary. . and most of all it is full of 3 steps back, one step forward. I progressed/recovered quickly off vent and up and walking, then just a week later I was diagnosed with pneumonia and had to be re-vented and I was on the vent for a couple weeks+ Weaning off the vent was tough physically and emotionally. Also the meds they give you (anti-rejection and pain meds) shocks your body. . .I suffered from dementia for weeks and it was a living hell. I know that seems really crappy, but I would do it all again. Not kidding. ..it's all worth it and when you overcome it all, it's an amazing feeling. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> Everyone is different and recovery can be hard or less hard but either way you'll recover at your own pace.
 

jenb

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HI - welcome to the wild ride. I'm about 14 weeks out from transplant, listed in mid January and transplanted at the end of April. After much reading from a lot of transplant patients, I will say everyone's recover immediately and long term is different and that is OK. It is an amazing thing to be given the gift of life. One I don't take for granted, one I cherish everyday, one I'm thankful for every minute and one I will always be forever grateful for to my donor and their family for giving me this second chance at life.

Having said that, I will share my experiences with you and feel free to ask me any questions.
I became diabetic pre-transplant and am now. But I will say that I am needing less and less insulin as time goes on. Most recently I'm eating carbs and such and not taking insulin and getting normal blood sugar readings. This is still evolving so we will see where this nets out over the coming months.

Weight: pre-transplant - I weighed 93lbs on the day of transplant, I left the hospital 3 weeks later at 103lb. I was retaining a lot of fluid. I'd wake up thinner and put on about 5lbs of fluid a day. Pee it all out overnight and start all over retaining the next day. Around 8 weeks post, this stopped happening and I didn't retain anymore. Like I said I'm 14 weeks out and weight 108lb of MUSCLE. I was bones the day of surgery and I've been steadily putting on weight through exercising 2-3 times a day and lifting weights. I started out with 1-2lbs at 3 weeks post and now that i am off restriction of lifting no more than 10lbs, i'm can live and physically do a ton more. I've had no problem putting on weight now. I can eat and my body is happily putting on weight instead of struggling. I just had my feeding tube removed as well. The last time I used it was the last night I was in the hospital during my transplant. I must say it is nice to see my body cooperating finally. :)

My fingers and toes were barely clubbed pre-tx, so I haven't noticed a difference yet.

Steroids: my biggest complaints were fluid retention but that is gone now. I have the puffy face some days and others I don't, very random. My face has peach fuzz but I've seem to have lost all the other hair on my body. Well except my head of hair and eyebrows.

Recovery: honestly, mine really wasn't hard overall. Yes, I had some very good pain meds post-tx. I used my pain pump often for the first 4 days, then switched to oxycodone and tylenol. I didn't use the epidural they placed. I kept on top of the pain with 5mg of oxy and 2 tylenol during the day because when I didn't man was that painful. I had my sternum broken to go on bypass so it was mainly the throbbing pain in my sternum that would bring me to tears in a heartbeat. But like I said, my nurses helped me keep up with meds to get ahead of the pain. After week 2, I used one 5mg of oxy in the morning and that was it for the day. Off all pain meds at 5 weeks post. I was off the vent within 12 hours following transplant, breathing happily on my own with the largest smile on my face because I could breath again. The most amazing feeling. On day 2, I was up sitting in the chair and up for my first walk. I walked 3 times a day gradually working up to 30 mins each time. I rarely was in bed, always up sitting in my chair, standing or walking. I was doing PT with weights and starting on stairs too after a week. I remember the most important thing my surgeon told me was to get up and move. I might be in pain or tired but I must get up and exercise those lungs. They need to fit and fill into their new chest cavity, it will help with inflamation, and I need to expand them to get them working. I took that advice to heart. He also said, it will take about 6 months to fully recover to see the full potential of your lung function. Your new lungs need to recover from their trama of being transplanted. Your rib cage needs to adjust too. Im glad he told me that because my first PFT's were in the high 50's. At 8 weeks post-tx I had an FEV1 of 89% and since I've gradually inclined over the past 6 weeks to 94%. I think my PFT's have recovered very quickly but not all are like that and it is ok, it will happen. I felt great at 4 weeks and was probably doing more than I should of.

No one told me about the chest tubes, and honestly that was the worst part for me. They were heavy, annoying and made it hard to sleep. The removal wasn't fun, I made sure to have pain meds on board. Nothing says fun like having a chest tube ripped out of you and stiched up all in 45 seconds. I had some fast residents doing the procedures. And you have 4 of them that have to be removed, often never at once but over a periods of days or a week. I apologize because I think you are female but can't tell from your screen name. Get used to everyone looking at your chest. You lose all modesty and at some point you will find it absolutely normal to lift up your gown to show your incision and chest tube sites. Having said that, bring sweats or shorts to lounge around in.

Expect a bump or two in the road, is what my tx doc told me. It could be infection or rejection at some point post in your journey. You will have a team of docs invested in your care to help get you through it.

Emotionally: I was ready for transplant as my other option was death. My FEV1 right before surgery was 16%, I was on 5 liters of oxygen, bipap and had a critically high carbon dioxide level. I barely could get off the couch somedays and others I surprised myself at what I could do. But, I was very sick and was fighting with all I could to stay alive. I was on IV antibiotics for 9 months straight even on the antibiotics on the day of transplant. I couldn't go longer than 2 weeks at one point between IV's. so, having rambled on about that I was ready emotionally and physically. Did I have feelings of guilt, no. My donor didn't die to give me life sadly it was their time and their and their families selfless act gave me life and I am truly forever grateful for it. I might have a weird way of looking at this but bare with me. I chose to honor my donors life by taking care of the gift he/she gave me, by living each day to the fullest, by living out my dreams and by being the best person I can be. I want their family to know that their gift to me is one I will never take for granted. They gave me a second chance at life and I will live it to the fullest.

I'm living life again at 32 and it is amazing. I'm running, hiking, biking, taking my dogs to the park, swimming all with my husband and family. I smile again. I'm enjoying summer and will look to return to work this fall when the weather turns crappy here in Seattle. :) I have some amazing dreams I want to fulfill and need to ask my transplant team if I can physically do them. (anyone know if I can scuba dive? ) I guess that is something to add ,develop a great relationship with your tx team. You will rely on them alot. Listen to your body pre and post, any small changes in your vitals will be important to report to them. I still take my vitals and spirometry daily to notice any small changes in case infection or rejection develop.

If asked would I do it again, without a doubt I would 100% do it again. Sorry I rambled on but I figured you would want to know all the details. :)
 

cftransplant

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You can not scuba dive. Ask the world authority, at DAN the Divers Alert Network in NC a few mile's from Duke. They are against the idea for many reasons. Also, infection is a real issue from dive equipment, known in the industry. Use fins, and snorkle, clean with a dive shop cleaners.
 
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