Recreational Drugs and alcohol

LKBamberg

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Hope this isn't too taboo.
I was just wondering what experiences people have had, good and bad, related to drugs and alcohol (excluding tobacco).
I'm a vegetarian that exercises daily and is very health conscious. I rarely drink, but I will endulge occaisionally; usually no more than once a month. However I have experimented a bit with recreational drugs. I've tried psychadelic mushrooms twice and marijuana twice: once by eating it in a brownie and once through weed oil.
Pot wasn't all that exciting, but I loved the mushrooms.
I've always been curious but scared to try other things because i'm worried it could be more dangerous with CF.
has anyone done anything else?
 

LKBamberg

New member
Hope this isn't too taboo.
I was just wondering what experiences people have had, good and bad, related to drugs and alcohol (excluding tobacco).
I'm a vegetarian that exercises daily and is very health conscious. I rarely drink, but I will endulge occaisionally; usually no more than once a month. However I have experimented a bit with recreational drugs. I've tried psychadelic mushrooms twice and marijuana twice: once by eating it in a brownie and once through weed oil.
Pot wasn't all that exciting, but I loved the mushrooms.
I've always been curious but scared to try other things because i'm worried it could be more dangerous with CF.
has anyone done anything else?
 

Anomie

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Stick to the psychadelics and avoid habit forming drugs that don't allow you to eat for 3 or 4 days like cocaine and meth. There hasn't been any good acid around in over 10 years so I'd probably suggest eating DMT with an MAOI (metabolism inhibitor) instead. That way you don't have to smoke it and risk damaging your lungs. It also lasts a lot longer when you eat it but make sure you got a cozy place to chill so you don't fall down and bonk your head when it starts to kick in. My friend did a large dose in my room and after he left I realized he'd pissed the bed. DMT has a rapid onset and can cause VIVID out of this world experiences like transversing wormholes and communicating with extraterrestrials. Luckily bad trips are rarely reported and this particular drug doesn't have any looming side effects. You can do it the night before a big final and not have to worry about your brain feeling all swiss cheesed the next day. You might have to make a trip to the amazon jungle to score some though.
 

Anomie

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Stick to the psychadelics and avoid habit forming drugs that don't allow you to eat for 3 or 4 days like cocaine and meth. There hasn't been any good acid around in over 10 years so I'd probably suggest eating DMT with an MAOI (metabolism inhibitor) instead. That way you don't have to smoke it and risk damaging your lungs. It also lasts a lot longer when you eat it but make sure you got a cozy place to chill so you don't fall down and bonk your head when it starts to kick in. My friend did a large dose in my room and after he left I realized he'd pissed the bed. DMT has a rapid onset and can cause VIVID out of this world experiences like transversing wormholes and communicating with extraterrestrials. Luckily bad trips are rarely reported and this particular drug doesn't have any looming side effects. You can do it the night before a big final and not have to worry about your brain feeling all swiss cheesed the next day. You might have to make a trip to the amazon jungle to score some though.
 

idkillu4adollar

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I smoke weed regularly. I've done acid, shrooms, coke (but that was a just once thing to see it, would NEVER do that recreationally, cause like Anomie said slows down eating and we don't need that!) and that fake legal version of weed. Smokey monkey or something like that. Pill drugs, but nothing like Ecstasy or speed, just like oxys, ridalin, xanax, the doctor prescribed kind of drugs.

The only ill effect of weed I feel is when I smoke it in blunts because the paper is thicker and so the smoke is thicker and it hurts the next day in my chest. The positive effects I see, personally are, I eat ALOT more! The last time that I stopped smoking weed I dropped 10lbs in 2 weeks, which at never over a hundred pounds status, you can imagine is TO MUCH to lose. Also when I have severe stomach aches it helps greatly with that. And also nausea, helps lots with that. My lungs are 103% currently. The lowest they've been is 98% and the highest 110%. I'm a "very mild" case though I think.

Also I drink. Prolly once a week or every two weeks. Or wine a little more regularly.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmk"
 

idkillu4adollar

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I smoke weed regularly. I've done acid, shrooms, coke (but that was a just once thing to see it, would NEVER do that recreationally, cause like Anomie said slows down eating and we don't need that!) and that fake legal version of weed. Smokey monkey or something like that. Pill drugs, but nothing like Ecstasy or speed, just like oxys, ridalin, xanax, the doctor prescribed kind of drugs.

The only ill effect of weed I feel is when I smoke it in blunts because the paper is thicker and so the smoke is thicker and it hurts the next day in my chest. The positive effects I see, personally are, I eat ALOT more! The last time that I stopped smoking weed I dropped 10lbs in 2 weeks, which at never over a hundred pounds status, you can imagine is TO MUCH to lose. Also when I have severe stomach aches it helps greatly with that. And also nausea, helps lots with that. My lungs are 103% currently. The lowest they've been is 98% and the highest 110%. I'm a "very mild" case though I think.

Also I drink. Prolly once a week or every two weeks. Or wine a little more regularly.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmk"
 

amessofphotos

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i'm a big fan of marijuana - for pain, anxiety, depression, insomnia, nausea, lack of appetite and mucus expectoration. Eating/vaporizing is the way to go. I have a volcano and it really helps me clear the junk. my docs always say i "sound clear". been vaping since 2006 still have 75-90% fev1.
 

amessofphotos

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i'm a big fan of marijuana - for pain, anxiety, depression, insomnia, nausea, lack of appetite and mucus expectoration. Eating/vaporizing is the way to go. I have a volcano and it really helps me clear the junk. my docs always say i "sound clear". been vaping since 2006 still have 75-90% fev1.
 

Trigun472

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Marijuana is wonderful for CF, as long as smoking is avoided for obvious reasons. Eating cannabis doesn't have the same effects as when it's inhaled for me, and it tends to just make me want to sleep without any of the normal benefits. Vaporizing is best, but it's not perfect. A fair amount of vegetation is disintegrated and inhaled, but far less than smoking. Vaporizers don't have the bronchodilating effects of smoking, and instead causes temporary asthma esq lung constriction. Which is temporary, but if used chronically it'll make your lungs get used to breathing shallowly, and any sort of heavy breathing (exercise, stairs, etc) can cause the lungs to be forced open and tear, with a small but noticeable bit of blood in your next mucus excretion. Psychedelics are the way to go. They've helped me loads with rationalizing, understanding, and re-organizing my health and general long term goals. Although there are no inherent benefits of any substance, they are really only amplifiers of what you already intend to do, and temporary modifiers of the way you already think and feel. For the most part, CF and hallucinogens (LSD, Psilocybin, 2C, Mescaline, etc) get along well. If you're already unhealthy or in need of a routine hospital IV session, drugs can make you hyper aware of the trash in your chest, or of the rarely noticed feeling of your lungs craving (but not being able to) take in more oxygen. Chemicals can also mess with your stomach, making you feel like you need to go to the bathroom more than you really do; or in the case of Coke and MDMA, temporary wreck your desire for food. Alcohol interrupts your natural need to cough, so if you're not paying attention, you can go for hours without choking anything up, until you eventually walk around and are seized by a 2 minute choking spell to force all the backed up stuff out. Alcohol also has a lot of sugar, so take care if you have diabetes. MDMA, Ayahuasca, and DXM will make your cough feel like a tickle from God. Which might not seem very beneficial outside of the trip itself, but the memory of enjoying coughing up a storm is a precious, almost humbling experience to get you past your sickest, soberest days. DXM is legally a cough suppressant, so I don't recommend ever going past third plateau. Ketamine should be avoided for that same reason, and Opium/Heroin/Hydros can also cause respiratory depression in high doses. DMT and Ayhahuasca shouldn't be taken lightly imo, and definitely not something I'd suggesting doing before trying most of the other substances out there. Smoked/vaporized DMT's effect of stretching your perception of time to the point of irrelevance shows you what it feels like to no longer be breathing at all, and is in my opinion, an invaluable tool for anyone with anxieties about death. And of course, always keep hydrated. Start with low doses until your relationship with each substance is formed and you have an idea of what you can handle. Most drugs cause elevated heart rate to some degree and hypertension is a possibility for anyone with heart problems, so caution should be used as health naturally declines and the heart is working harder to keep moving oxygen. There is also a lowering of immunity when your body is working on processing chemicals, daily use of anything is an awful idea as your body will regenerate and heal slower. Generally, the healthier you are the more you will enjoy the experience and minimize drawbacks, but less healthy or overdosed 'bad' trips have been just as valuable and eye opening towards aspects of my own personality and well-being as any of the best experiences. Keep an open mind, use in moderation, and keep healthy. Best of luck to any fellow CF Psychonauts out there!

Of course, this is all in rhetoric, and no one should ever use drugs for any reason ever because they are Godless substances with no Government or FDA approved medical uses.<img title="Sealed" src="include/wysiwyg/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-sealed.gif" alt="Sealed" border="0" />
Edit note: PS. Lung transplant clinics will rarely think twice about considering someone with a history of drug abuse, and they consider marijuana a drug, medically 'prescribed' or not. Anyone who chooses to dabble in chemicals wether it be for medical, therapeutic, or recreational reasons should be aware that you need to be at least 6months to a year clean before attempting to talk to a clinic about getting on a transplant list, and any negative drug tests thereafter will permanently disqualify you from ever recieving a new organ. It may sound obvious, but I didn't know when I first recieved my MMJ card, and it bit me in the ass when I started talks a couple years later for list requirements.
 

Trigun472

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Marijuana is wonderful for CF, as long as smoking is avoided for obvious reasons. Eating cannabis doesn't have the same effects as when it's inhaled for me, and it tends to just make me want to sleep without any of the normal benefits. Vaporizing is best, but it's not perfect. A fair amount of vegetation is disintegrated and inhaled, but far less than smoking. Vaporizers don't have the bronchodilating effects of smoking, and instead causes temporary asthma esq lung constriction. Which is temporary, but if used chronically it'll make your lungs get used to breathing shallowly, and any sort of heavy breathing (exercise, stairs, etc) can cause the lungs to be forced open and tear, with a small but noticeable bit of blood in your next mucus excretion. Psychedelics are the way to go. They've helped me loads with rationalizing, understanding, and re-organizing my health and general long term goals. Although there are no inherent benefits of any substance, they are really only amplifiers of what you already intend to do, and temporary modifiers of the way you already think and feel. For the most part, CF and hallucinogens (LSD, Psilocybin, 2C, Mescaline, etc) get along well. If you're already unhealthy or in need of a routine hospital IV session, drugs can make you hyper aware of the trash in your chest, or of the rarely noticed feeling of your lungs craving (but not being able to) take in more oxygen. Chemicals can also mess with your stomach, making you feel like you need to go to the bathroom more than you really do; or in the case of Coke and MDMA, temporary wreck your desire for food. Alcohol interrupts your natural need to cough, so if you're not paying attention, you can go for hours without choking anything up, until you eventually walk around and are seized by a 2 minute choking spell to force all the backed up stuff out. Alcohol also has a lot of sugar, so take care if you have diabetes. MDMA, Ayahuasca, and DXM will make your cough feel like a tickle from God. Which might not seem very beneficial outside of the trip itself, but the memory of enjoying coughing up a storm is a precious, almost humbling experience to get you past your sickest, soberest days. DXM is legally a cough suppressant, so I don't recommend ever going past third plateau. Ketamine should be avoided for that same reason, and Opium/Heroin/Hydros can also cause respiratory depression in high doses. DMT and Ayhahuasca shouldn't be taken lightly imo, and definitely not something I'd suggesting doing before trying most of the other substances out there. Smoked/vaporized DMT's effect of stretching your perception of time to the point of irrelevance shows you what it feels like to no longer be breathing at all, and is in my opinion, an invaluable tool for anyone with anxieties about death. And of course, always keep hydrated. Start with low doses until your relationship with each substance is formed and you have an idea of what you can handle. Most drugs cause elevated heart rate to some degree and hypertension is a possibility for anyone with heart problems, so caution should be used as health naturally declines and the heart is working harder to keep moving oxygen. There is also a lowering of immunity when your body is working on processing chemicals, daily use of anything is an awful idea as your body will regenerate and heal slower. Generally, the healthier you are the more you will enjoy the experience and minimize drawbacks, but less healthy or overdosed 'bad' trips have been just as valuable and eye opening towards aspects of my own personality and well-being as any of the best experiences. Keep an open mind, use in moderation, and keep healthy. Best of luck to any fellow CF Psychonauts out there!

Of course, this is all in rhetoric, and no one should ever use drugs for any reason ever because they are Godless substances with no Government or FDA approved medical uses.<img title="Sealed" src="include/wysiwyg/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-sealed.gif" alt="Sealed" border="0" />
Edit note: PS. Lung transplant clinics will rarely think twice about considering someone with a history of drug abuse, and they consider marijuana a drug, medically 'prescribed' or not. Anyone who chooses to dabble in chemicals wether it be for medical, therapeutic, or recreational reasons should be aware that you need to be at least 6months to a year clean before attempting to talk to a clinic about getting on a transplant list, and any negative drug tests thereafter will permanently disqualify you from ever recieving a new organ. It may sound obvious, but I didn't know when I first recieved my MMJ card, and it bit me in the ass when I started talks a couple years later for list requirements.
 
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