Silver and CF

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kswitch

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okay, so the antimicrobial properties of silver have been well documented. silver blocks the oxygenating enzymes of single cell organisms, essentially suffocating them. silver colloid was a controversial tonic available in the days of yesteryear. the only side effect to drinking the stuff was that, sometimes, the silver would deposit itself in the skin of those who ingested it regularly. this side effect is adverse only in that it would turn the skin of a few people an ashen color. i wonder what the efficacy would be of inhaling such a substance, if not specifically silver colloid, then some other silver based tonic designed specifically for inhalation.

i have not researched silver colloid in tandem with how it relates to cf. has anyone else come accrossed anything, and , if not, would some of you mind utilizing your acquired internet resources to check into this? come back here and post what you find so we can discuss it further!!
 
K

kswitch

New member
okay, so the antimicrobial properties of silver have been well documented. silver blocks the oxygenating enzymes of single cell organisms, essentially suffocating them. silver colloid was a controversial tonic available in the days of yesteryear. the only side effect to drinking the stuff was that, sometimes, the silver would deposit itself in the skin of those who ingested it regularly. this side effect is adverse only in that it would turn the skin of a few people an ashen color. i wonder what the efficacy would be of inhaling such a substance, if not specifically silver colloid, then some other silver based tonic designed specifically for inhalation.

i have not researched silver colloid in tandem with how it relates to cf. has anyone else come accrossed anything, and , if not, would some of you mind utilizing your acquired internet resources to check into this? come back here and post what you find so we can discuss it further!!
 
K

kswitch

New member
okay, so the antimicrobial properties of silver have been well documented. silver blocks the oxygenating enzymes of single cell organisms, essentially suffocating them. silver colloid was a controversial tonic available in the days of yesteryear. the only side effect to drinking the stuff was that, sometimes, the silver would deposit itself in the skin of those who ingested it regularly. this side effect is adverse only in that it would turn the skin of a few people an ashen color. i wonder what the efficacy would be of inhaling such a substance, if not specifically silver colloid, then some other silver based tonic designed specifically for inhalation.

i have not researched silver colloid in tandem with how it relates to cf. has anyone else come accrossed anything, and , if not, would some of you mind utilizing your acquired internet resources to check into this? come back here and post what you find so we can discuss it further!!
 
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IG

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The over the counter sale of colloidal silver has been banned by the FDA for false claims of therapeutic value. Unfortunately the stuff is still sold as a dietary supplement. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html</a> Yes silver is antimicrobial but it's been disputed that it has the effectiveness of an antibiotic. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8632503&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8632503&dopt=Abstract
</a>
"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16766878&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...4&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
I personally would not try it but that is my own opinion. It's a topic that's been brought up with some frequency and if you search for colloidal silver you should get some responses.
 
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IG

Guest
The over the counter sale of colloidal silver has been banned by the FDA for false claims of therapeutic value. Unfortunately the stuff is still sold as a dietary supplement. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html</a> Yes silver is antimicrobial but it's been disputed that it has the effectiveness of an antibiotic. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8632503&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8632503&dopt=Abstract
</a>
"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16766878&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...4&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
I personally would not try it but that is my own opinion. It's a topic that's been brought up with some frequency and if you search for colloidal silver you should get some responses.
 
I

IG

Guest
The over the counter sale of colloidal silver has been banned by the FDA for false claims of therapeutic value. Unfortunately the stuff is still sold as a dietary supplement. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html">http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00971.html</a> Yes silver is antimicrobial but it's been disputed that it has the effectiveness of an antibiotic. <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8632503&dopt=Abstract
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...8632503&dopt=Abstract
</a>
"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16766878&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum
">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en...4&itool=pubmed_docsum
</a>
I personally would not try it but that is my own opinion. It's a topic that's been brought up with some frequency and if you search for colloidal silver you should get some responses.
 
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IG

Guest
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html">http://www.quackwatch.org/01Qu...PhonyAds/silverad.html</a> interesting article, though it doesn't mention inhalation afaik.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Colloidal_Silver-9924932
">http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSD...loidal_Silver-9924932
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32">http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32</a> <--looks like a really good resource
"Rosenman et al. (1979) reported that 25/30 workers exposed to silver nitrate and silver oxide dusts for < 1 to > 10 years experienced respiratory irritation (sneezing, stuffiness, and running nose or sore throat) at some time during their employment. Cough, wheezing, chest tightness, and abdominal pain were reported in 20/30 workers. The abdominal pain was significantly correlated with blood silver levels."

From the same article "The estimated total dose required to induce argyria by inhalation is in the range of 1-8 g for soluble silver salts (Nordberg and Gerhardsson, 1988)."
 
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IG

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<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html">http://www.quackwatch.org/01Qu...PhonyAds/silverad.html</a> interesting article, though it doesn't mention inhalation afaik.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Colloidal_Silver-9924932
">http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSD...loidal_Silver-9924932
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32">http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32</a> <--looks like a really good resource
"Rosenman et al. (1979) reported that 25/30 workers exposed to silver nitrate and silver oxide dusts for < 1 to > 10 years experienced respiratory irritation (sneezing, stuffiness, and running nose or sore throat) at some time during their employment. Cough, wheezing, chest tightness, and abdominal pain were reported in 20/30 workers. The abdominal pain was significantly correlated with blood silver levels."

From the same article "The estimated total dose required to induce argyria by inhalation is in the range of 1-8 g for soluble silver salts (Nordberg and Gerhardsson, 1988)."
 
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IG

Guest
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html">http://www.quackwatch.org/01Qu...PhonyAds/silverad.html</a> interesting article, though it doesn't mention inhalation afaik.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Colloidal_Silver-9924932
">http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSD...loidal_Silver-9924932
</a>
<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32">http://rais.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml#t32</a> <--looks like a really good resource
"Rosenman et al. (1979) reported that 25/30 workers exposed to silver nitrate and silver oxide dusts for < 1 to > 10 years experienced respiratory irritation (sneezing, stuffiness, and running nose or sore throat) at some time during their employment. Cough, wheezing, chest tightness, and abdominal pain were reported in 20/30 workers. The abdominal pain was significantly correlated with blood silver levels."

From the same article "The estimated total dose required to induce argyria by inhalation is in the range of 1-8 g for soluble silver salts (Nordberg and Gerhardsson, 1988)."
 
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Jane

Digital opinion leader
here's a<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=8446&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hardclubber">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...y&keyword1=hardclubber</a> thread from last year that mentions it.
 
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Jane

Digital opinion leader
here's a<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=8446&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hardclubber">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...y&keyword1=hardclubber</a> thread from last year that mentions it.
 
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Jane

Digital opinion leader
here's a<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.cysticfibrosis.com/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=8446&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hardclubber">http://forums.cysticfibrosis.c...y&keyword1=hardclubber</a> thread from last year that mentions it.
 
K

kswitch

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ImmortalGoddezz</b></i>

"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." </end quote></div>

hmm...interesting that you would quote this exerpt and not the preceeding or proceeding sentences:

pre = "Silver exhibits low toxicity in the human body, and minimal risk is expected due to clinical exposure by inhalation, ingestion, dermal application or through the urological or haematogenous route."

pro = "These are not life-threatening conditions but cosmetically undesirable."

i don't mean any disrespect; thank you for responding in ths thread, but without the whole paragraph, the statement is completely out of context, and since this is the only argument against silver that i have ever come across, i think the puting it into context is important the other links only go to say that no research has really been done.

pseudoscience hunters and skeptics are always quick to slam silver because of its shady history. the sellers of such tonics grabbed the skeptics' attention and skeptics were quick to point out the obvious shortcomings. the cosmetic nuances are enough to sway the public away because the risks of being outcast are greater than any potential benefit they may have received.

the cf communtiy has much more to benefit than comsetic, but the public interest stopped there. no other risk assessment has really been carried out.

and, for sure, pharmaceutical companies are going to be slow to run with something that the pubic already carries negative connotations for. not when they can sell you pennecillin. now that antibiotics have come under fire in the wake of new and improved superbugs, i wouldn't be surprised if pharm companies re-invent silver into a new siver-based superdrug.

i think we need to consistently re-visit previously discarded remedies according to fundamental advancements in understanding the mechanisms of cf.

case in point: hypertonic saline. salt water!!! one of the most cost efficient and effective treatments for cf is freaking salt water!!! of course without some fundamental knowledge, we couldn't have realized it.
 
K

kswitch

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ImmortalGoddezz</b></i>

"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." </end quote></div>

hmm...interesting that you would quote this exerpt and not the preceeding or proceeding sentences:

pre = "Silver exhibits low toxicity in the human body, and minimal risk is expected due to clinical exposure by inhalation, ingestion, dermal application or through the urological or haematogenous route."

pro = "These are not life-threatening conditions but cosmetically undesirable."

i don't mean any disrespect; thank you for responding in ths thread, but without the whole paragraph, the statement is completely out of context, and since this is the only argument against silver that i have ever come across, i think the puting it into context is important the other links only go to say that no research has really been done.

pseudoscience hunters and skeptics are always quick to slam silver because of its shady history. the sellers of such tonics grabbed the skeptics' attention and skeptics were quick to point out the obvious shortcomings. the cosmetic nuances are enough to sway the public away because the risks of being outcast are greater than any potential benefit they may have received.

the cf communtiy has much more to benefit than comsetic, but the public interest stopped there. no other risk assessment has really been carried out.

and, for sure, pharmaceutical companies are going to be slow to run with something that the pubic already carries negative connotations for. not when they can sell you pennecillin. now that antibiotics have come under fire in the wake of new and improved superbugs, i wouldn't be surprised if pharm companies re-invent silver into a new siver-based superdrug.

i think we need to consistently re-visit previously discarded remedies according to fundamental advancements in understanding the mechanisms of cf.

case in point: hypertonic saline. salt water!!! one of the most cost efficient and effective treatments for cf is freaking salt water!!! of course without some fundamental knowledge, we couldn't have realized it.
 
K

kswitch

New member
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ImmortalGoddezz</b></i>

"Chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations (especially colloidal silver) can lead to deposition of silver metal/silver sulphide particles in the skin (argyria), eye (argyrosis) and other organs." </end quote></div>

hmm...interesting that you would quote this exerpt and not the preceeding or proceeding sentences:

pre = "Silver exhibits low toxicity in the human body, and minimal risk is expected due to clinical exposure by inhalation, ingestion, dermal application or through the urological or haematogenous route."

pro = "These are not life-threatening conditions but cosmetically undesirable."

i don't mean any disrespect; thank you for responding in ths thread, but without the whole paragraph, the statement is completely out of context, and since this is the only argument against silver that i have ever come across, i think the puting it into context is important the other links only go to say that no research has really been done.

pseudoscience hunters and skeptics are always quick to slam silver because of its shady history. the sellers of such tonics grabbed the skeptics' attention and skeptics were quick to point out the obvious shortcomings. the cosmetic nuances are enough to sway the public away because the risks of being outcast are greater than any potential benefit they may have received.

the cf communtiy has much more to benefit than comsetic, but the public interest stopped there. no other risk assessment has really been carried out.

and, for sure, pharmaceutical companies are going to be slow to run with something that the pubic already carries negative connotations for. not when they can sell you pennecillin. now that antibiotics have come under fire in the wake of new and improved superbugs, i wouldn't be surprised if pharm companies re-invent silver into a new siver-based superdrug.

i think we need to consistently re-visit previously discarded remedies according to fundamental advancements in understanding the mechanisms of cf.

case in point: hypertonic saline. salt water!!! one of the most cost efficient and effective treatments for cf is freaking salt water!!! of course without some fundamental knowledge, we couldn't have realized it.
 
K

kswitch

New member
great thread. i wasn't able to find anything using the search function of the forums.

any word on the ouncome of any of that?

i tried the ntm link and got a 404.
 
K

kswitch

New member
great thread. i wasn't able to find anything using the search function of the forums.

any word on the ouncome of any of that?

i tried the ntm link and got a 404.
 
K

kswitch

New member
great thread. i wasn't able to find anything using the search function of the forums.

any word on the ouncome of any of that?

i tried the ntm link and got a 404.
 
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Jane

Digital opinion leader
They changed their format in January. This should work for the new NTM forums

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.ntminfo.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=5
">http://forums.ntminfo.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=5
</a>
 
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Jane

Digital opinion leader
They changed their format in January. This should work for the new NTM forums

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.ntminfo.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=5
">http://forums.ntminfo.com/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=5
</a>
 
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