the Dr says not cf.

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Swallowtail66

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One of the things I love about this forum is that we are such passionate, caring people. We may occasionally step on toes, but we try hard to take care of each other. This is where the REAL support is found, not in the clinics. I love our doctors, but I'd be lost without you guys.
 

tazgc1961

New member
Thanks Heather .I am currently on the hunt for The right DRS and I really want to be sure it is or it isnt CF but as I well know some times tests dont have all the answers sometime symptoms override test results as far as a sweat test I am not sure it would work on her because of the meds she is on for her seizure disorder she doesnt sweat ..unless she is put under alot of sterss and she has aperiod of prolonged crying... as it is this is the first time any one even checked for the gene the GI doc checked because they couldnt find any jumpout at you reason for the repeated pancreas problems .when she was young the doctors dx,was failure to thrive ,then when we went to duponts GI they found a milk allergy and changed her to soy and she gained weight very slowly at 12 she is only 49 inches tall and 48 pounds so that also goes to a DX of CF so thats why I am on the hunt I also have to deal with the damn insurance company to see who they will let me go to oh so much fun....... Thanks for your help I look forward to any more inf or support you can share with me >>>>>
Gae C
 

JustDucky

New member
I really hope that you find a doctor who will give you concrete answers. I can't understand why the doc said no CF when 2 mutations were found....do you happen to know what they were? I'm just curious. I totally understand that doctors do not know everything and are fallible, so I agree that finding another doctor to give an opinion is the right way to go. Sounds like your daughter is very complex. Also, some mutations affect the GI system more than the lungs....being that she has had pancreatitis so often, sounds like if it is CF, then that is the case.
One thing for sure, CF is a complex, multi organ disease that isn't fully understood. There are just so many unknowns, even with the advances being made in this field.

I was a late dx at 33 after years of misdiagnosis, being called nuts etc, I have mostly lung issues but have some GI. So you see, not everyone fits the classic CF mold.

Please know that we are in your corner, this all must feel overwhelming to you. Not knowing is far worse than knowing, at least if you get a definitive answer, then you know what you are up against.

Hang in there, keeping you and your daughter in my thoughts,
Jenn 40 wCF
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
I imagine you will see your daughter's CF doc again, if for no other reason than to close out and take her records. On the one hand it is heartening to see a. CF doc not bowing before genetics. From your post, I wondered if you or possibly the doctor are communicating, genetically speaking. This can get complicated fast so I recommend that you make sure you are up to speed. If you are, all the better. Others may have better suggestions on the shortest path to the best short course but Wikipedia search for cystic fibrosis and CFTR gene mutation yields concise data, especially the genetics. Ok, the short version. I assume you know the two CFTR mutations must have two mutation copies each. In theory the CFTR gene mutation is recessive therefore the mutation must be inherited by both parents. You can have one copy of any number of mutations and the corresponding healthy copies prevent expression of cystic fibrosis. Armed with this, look at the genetic analysis. Heterozygous is inherited from one parent, homozygous is inherited from both and Bingo, genetic confirmation of CF. Anyway at this next meeting with your CF doc, have him go over your daughter's genetic test. I would obtain a copy of the test and already have cyphered it first. If your daughter has CF, and she should have been given a sweat test before genetic testing, I assure you lung or ENT problems and pancreatic/GI problems both cause high morbidity and mortality. A day ago on this forum a 9 year old is entering liver failure. He probably drank. Yeah that was sick but it is a perfect change of my crystal ball. Any doctor can read a genetic analysis and understand what it says. The tests are easy Mendelian representative printouts that a high school biology class could follow.

The reality isn't that straight forward. Heterozygous mutations can act recessive as advertised. Others can express themselves on a scale ranging from near recessive to no measurable difference from a homozygous pair of mutations. In short CF can express any to all characteristics. Carriers would undoubtedly have an on average better prognosis. Carriers often have comparatively mild puminary symptoms but carriers and genetic CFers can have every abdominal nerve plexus constantly raw from every conceivable GI problem. My paternal grandmother died from pancreatic cancer, father died from malnutrition and I have been PI from 3yrs old by estimates. I am 62. My pancreatic pain level is constantly at "acute" level. I know what weeks of acute pancreatitis is and you must be ready to jump out of your skin, watching her outrageous suffering and being minimalized by her doctor in the process. Idealy, you should be using a CF clinic. It is difficult to advocate in this environment, where CFers with pulmonary symptoms seem to be the defacto treatment. The very design of a CF visit focuses on lung condition. In the last year I was battling some life threatening constipation. By chance over a year, 4 abdominal CT's marked the final progression of the neatl term for organ death, fatty replacement. Live pancreatic tissue digested by the very fluids that make meat nutritious, is performing auto-digestion on the pancreas.

You have a very ill child and something between you and your daughter's doctor isn't connecting. As her advocate I suggest you consider advice from my old doctor; sometimes you have to fight for your right to quality medicine. Never leave anything medical to faith.
 

tazgc1961

New member
Being in the field of nursing for over 25years I am n
ever afraid to question a Dr they are human not gods
And don't know everything just the fact that I have
sought out info on my own and not just taking the Dr
who is not aCF specialists word for it that she does
not have CF makes me pretty good at advocating for as
I know if I speak for her and fight for her who will she
can't do it for herself thanks everyone for your input
it is giving me a lot to work on and some good questions to ask her doctors. . ,
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
I enjoy this forum. Admittedly, this horrid disease raises the bar and blood pressure fast. Printer commands your attention and seldom is he is generally 'to the point' and correct. Being accused of child abuse is a siren of sorts. A mother accused of child abuse is tantamount to an Uncle bein accused of child abuse. To be sure he is upset but on balance he is trying to drive his point, knowing full well as you are caught in a medical conundrum. The regular gang that weigh in on CF issues are autodidactic experts. I am amazed when posts from busy parents or adolescents spout exons and codons, PCR and PICC. It is like owning an exotic dog, poeple learn some about the breed, but after being questioned ad. infinitum. CFers have become authorities on the disease because of two things. Whether patient or parent, it is a matter of life and death. And only an ambitous few doctors learn and remain current on everything CF. Not.

So here we are, with our own specialities, or for some, everything CF. Some have or their children have everything CF. We collectively understand the many presentations of CF and others know how best to deal with raising CF children, not my personal strong suit, and often we get a first time post as yours was. Often a first time post is short on details, information and also often the doctor involved is out of his or her depth.

The result is far from the intent at the beginning and most times things get heated even though it is the furthest thing from intent. I see new posts get ravaged, the postee gets miffed and the more sensitive experts put things on track. Your question of CF presentation has been answered and then some. It is true that only a few GI doctors in America are equal to the challenges of CF.
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
Conversely it is frustrating at a CF facility when CF docs are mostly pulmonologists. I have a doctorate in genetics and was 53 when genetically tested. I was fine w/o a genetic counselor. Doctors who don't insist your child, and you have genetic analysis for a disease like CF explained to your satisfaction does you more harm than good. If your daughter's doctor had done this, you would have been welcomed differently. You are very welcome here. Dozens of people have spoken, possibly thousands have read this topic. Please excuse my misrepresentation of your doctor as a CF specialist. You clearly stated she was not.
 

LittleLab4CF

Super Moderator
Man, I can't get this straight. If. Sweat test is very high or catagoricaly confirmed as positive for CF. A genetic counselor should be brought in at that time. Genetic tests are simple to read but everything from if genetic analysis should follow a sweat test, to explaining the test in adequate detail so your core question either would have been answered or at least a question of CF presentation wouldn' have raised so many flags. Please keep us posted. My experience has found this to be a great forum. Some suffer fools badly, but their hearts and minds are those of good people.
 

Printer

Active member
LittleLab4CF:

I love you. I respect your wisdom and most importantly I am in awe of your patients.

Thank you for being here.

Bill
 

Aidensmom

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Joined: 06/23/2012


While everyone is on the topic, I also have a child that is having some strange symptoms. So my son is 6 months old today, he was a perfectly healthy newborn. At 4 weeks old he starting having apnea spells and started catching one lower respiratory infection after the next! He was in the ICU a week with apnea spells, 3 weeks with RSV, 3 more times for a week at a time for wheezing and low oxygen levels. He has been on 4 rounds of prednisone, an albuterol inhaler, flovent inhaler and albuterol nebulizer since 6 weeks old. He also has acid reflux, an enlarged kidney, constipation regularly, and sweats horribly! He has had a lot of tests done that were negative, seen a lot of drs that just cant figure out whats wrong. The other day we were out of town and I had to take him to an emergency room because his breathing got so bad the inhaler wasn't working. The dr there suggested CF testing so they set it up for monday. I am just curious what everyone thinks of this? I am determined to find out whats wrong with my son, It's been a long 6 months with no answers and now I'm a nervous wreck! If anyone has ever heard of this or has any suggestions as to what this may be, please help! I'm desperate! Thank you
 

3andahalf

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have they ruled out cardiac malformations with an echo? It's the most common birth defect but many docs forget about it. Cardiac kids are prone to RSV, resp. infections, apnea, low 02 levels, kidney problems, and tons of sweating..
 
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