Thinking about death & Fear

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kgfrompa

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I Have to say the thread from Athanasia Is Very touchingi have a home in my church which does so much for me I have a wonderful minister and my family is my church members.Its a connection in which a get so much more than support andunderstanding.Afraid of Death and fear is a thought but its in the rear view mirrior not in the front of mt windshild.Thank you Athanasia
 
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kgfrompa

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I Have to say the thread from Athanasia Is Very touchingi have a home in my church which does so much for me I have a wonderful minister and my family is my church members.Its a connection in which a get so much more than support andunderstanding.Afraid of Death and fear is a thought but its in the rear view mirrior not in the front of mt windshild.Thank you Athanasia
 

dbsholes

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Some very interesting posts here. I have run across many more "religious" cf folks than non-religious and am impressed by the number here who seem to lean in the non-religious direction. I think you should find what works for you.

Personally, having so many friends die at such an early age has made me a non-believer. I cannot believe in a god who allows such suffering as I have seen. I agree with Havoc that nothingness is okay with me - Actually better than being surrounded by religious zealots.

Overall my advise is not to worry too much about it. The only certainty in life is that none of us are making it out alive.

David Sholes
Bennington Vermont
44 DDF508; CFRD
 

dbsholes

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Some very interesting posts here. I have run across many more "religious" cf folks than non-religious and am impressed by the number here who seem to lean in the non-religious direction. I think you should find what works for you.

Personally, having so many friends die at such an early age has made me a non-believer. I cannot believe in a god who allows such suffering as I have seen. I agree with Havoc that nothingness is okay with me - Actually better than being surrounded by religious zealots.

Overall my advise is not to worry too much about it. The only certainty in life is that none of us are making it out alive.

David Sholes
Bennington Vermont
44 DDF508; CFRD
 

live2breath

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I am sure we have all thought of it what happens if we don't wake up one day me personaly I have knocked on deaths door a few time some cf related some everyday things and everytime I do I comeback a diffrent person with a new lease on life and what can be consturde as determination can also be confused for fear thats why I live my life as if today were my last day and yes dealing with cf is never easy but it heps to know your not alone and there are always people around us who can and would help

greg fiegel 21 dx at 7 months old
 

live2breath

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I am sure we have all thought of it what happens if we don't wake up one day me personaly I have knocked on deaths door a few time some cf related some everyday things and everytime I do I comeback a diffrent person with a new lease on life and what can be consturde as determination can also be confused for fear thats why I live my life as if today were my last day and yes dealing with cf is never easy but it heps to know your not alone and there are always people around us who can and would help

greg fiegel 21 dx at 7 months old
 

CFkitty

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Wow, thanks for all the replies! Sorry it took me a while to get back here.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Allansarmy</b></i> I thought you might want to see what it is like coming from a Dad of a CF boy age 15. First let me tell you about my sister-n-law, a very special person that I was honored to have known. My wife's sister had CF passing at the age of 27 and having lived 5 years with a double lung transplant. The point I am making with her is that she 'lived'. She lived everyday as if it were her last. She laughed everyday, even when she was on her last day she found something to laugh at. Laughter is contagious, she made those around her not want to feel sorry for her. She always hated that, unless it was her birthday, she would tell you everything she wanted a month ahead of time written out for all to see lol. She was not shy when it came to gifts she always said. She always said, "everyday you have to find something to be thankful for". One day I went to her house and found sticky notes all over the wall and the bathroom mirror, one of them read "Thank you God for toilet paper". She shrugged <img src=""> Funny story coming your way ----- Her name was Elisa pronounced "Ee-Lisa", but when she went to church the pastor Always pronounced her name wrong. One day, when she was very weak about 78 pounds and on Oxygen and in a wheel chair, we wheeled her down to the alter. About 20 people gathered around her reaching their arms out in prayer "some speaking in tongues", the tension was very serious and people were weeping to see their most dedicated church goer in dire stress and within her last week to live on this earth. The pastor kept calling her name out "ALICIA" he would say over and over again. She grabbed my arm.... leaned me down by her mouth to my ear.... NO WONDER I AM NOT GETTING BETTER, she said, THEY KEEP PRAYING FOR SOME GIRL NAMED ALICIA!. Tears ran down my face, not from sadness lol. I was very close to Elisa, and think about her often. My son who is 15 still remembers her and he acts a lot like her. He is stubborn, bullheaded, but most of all he has faith. He told me once that he fears dying before he reaches 30. For some reason, 30 is the magic number for him. Some of you are over 30. So the only advice I will can give from a Dad that also has several friends with CF, shoot for goals that are within reach and live life everyday no matter what. Are you allowed to have downer days where you feel depressed, yes you are, even healthy people get this way. Keep your head high and try not to dwell on whats to come. We all pass from this earth, don't spend your days doubting, and wonder what could have been. Wish all of you the best of luck in 2012!</end quote>
Thank you for your story. I absolutely understand that living for today and not dwelling in the "what ifs" is a more purposeful way to live. But sometimes, when I'm literally stuck (in the house, in the hospital, doing RT and coughing up mucous for hours, in pain from pancreatitis, etc.), my mind wanders. I do have a toolbox of coping mechanisms, but sometimes I'm too beat to employ them.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>athanasia</b></i>.... My point to my ramblings is that I still think about death, especially now that I have so much to lose. But every time I do, I think about all of the blessings that I have been given, the miracles that I have not only witnessed but have been a part of, and all the times that He could have taken me away if He wanted but hasn't. It then makes me think that I could let fear control me and miss out or I can let it drive me to make sure that I do everything on my list first. Take in every breath, every moment, and enjoy every person in your life as you have them. Don't worry about the next one or what may happen. I prey you find that peaceful feeling (again, without extreme issues leading you to it) and let it wash over you. No one knows how many breaths we are going to get in this life but I have learned that each one, no matter how much effort it takes me to get it, is the greatest breath yet. Sorry for such a long reply, I just hope it helps.</end quote>
I make sure to count my blessings every day. In fact, each night as I lay in bed, part of my "routine" is thanking God for all of the blessings in my life, and to help me find the strength and courage to manage everything in my life, and to give me whatever I need to help others. I have learned that my purpose on earth is to help others through their own personal struggles using my own experiences and research. It has to be, because I get phone calls from my family and friends, from people I haven't talked to in 15 years, to even people I barely know, confiding in me and asking for assistance. I've helped a number of people navigate the medical system. I know that my "suffering" for lack of a better term, is what has given me the ability to educate, support, motivate and listen to those who are confused, scared and upset. So, yeah, I consider myself very lucky to know my life purpose.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Havoc</b></i> I agree quite a lot with anien2. I am not religious, so that doesn't factor into my thoughts on an afterlife. Obviously, cultures have been fixated on the afterlife as far as we have historic record, as others have mentioned. Probably the best evidence of the "other side" we have is to ask yourself what it was like before you were born? Don't remember anything, do you? Nothingness. I'm ok with that.</end quote>
See, THAT scares the heck out me. The lack on consciousness. Just, nothing. My religion teaches me otherwise, but even the strongest faith can waver at times.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>TheAmazingBD</b></i> I am not afraid to die but I do visualize and dream about my death and what my loved ones will have to deal with when I pass. My thoughts and dreams usually detail HOW I die, the reactions of my loved ones, what is done with my belongings, how they pay off my bills and access my computer!! CRAZY STUFF...but logical thoughts. I've thought about my death from a car accident to lungs collapsing. I've never really believed that CF would kill me. I still doubt that. I let the thoughts pass and realize we are all going to die and there is no telling when or how. For me, it is most important to cherish my LIFE and in death, I'll deal with it when it happens. wishing you a peaceful mind. xo</end quote>
I do fear that my husband will be in so much pain if I die before he does, as much as I would be in pain if he went first. That breaks my heart. I hope that if I go first, he finds someone to love him, take care of him, and be everything that I couldn't.
I did have some other answers but the computer ate them. Thank you for replying to my question.

Hugs and health,
Kitty
 

CFkitty

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Wow, thanks for all the replies! Sorry it took me a while to get back here.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Allansarmy</b></i> I thought you might want to see what it is like coming from a Dad of a CF boy age 15. First let me tell you about my sister-n-law, a very special person that I was honored to have known. My wife's sister had CF passing at the age of 27 and having lived 5 years with a double lung transplant. The point I am making with her is that she 'lived'. She lived everyday as if it were her last. She laughed everyday, even when she was on her last day she found something to laugh at. Laughter is contagious, she made those around her not want to feel sorry for her. She always hated that, unless it was her birthday, she would tell you everything she wanted a month ahead of time written out for all to see lol. She was not shy when it came to gifts she always said. She always said, "everyday you have to find something to be thankful for". One day I went to her house and found sticky notes all over the wall and the bathroom mirror, one of them read "Thank you God for toilet paper". She shrugged <img src=""> Funny story coming your way ----- Her name was Elisa pronounced "Ee-Lisa", but when she went to church the pastor Always pronounced her name wrong. One day, when she was very weak about 78 pounds and on Oxygen and in a wheel chair, we wheeled her down to the alter. About 20 people gathered around her reaching their arms out in prayer "some speaking in tongues", the tension was very serious and people were weeping to see their most dedicated church goer in dire stress and within her last week to live on this earth. The pastor kept calling her name out "ALICIA" he would say over and over again. She grabbed my arm.... leaned me down by her mouth to my ear.... NO WONDER I AM NOT GETTING BETTER, she said, THEY KEEP PRAYING FOR SOME GIRL NAMED ALICIA!. Tears ran down my face, not from sadness lol. I was very close to Elisa, and think about her often. My son who is 15 still remembers her and he acts a lot like her. He is stubborn, bullheaded, but most of all he has faith. He told me once that he fears dying before he reaches 30. For some reason, 30 is the magic number for him. Some of you are over 30. So the only advice I will can give from a Dad that also has several friends with CF, shoot for goals that are within reach and live life everyday no matter what. Are you allowed to have downer days where you feel depressed, yes you are, even healthy people get this way. Keep your head high and try not to dwell on whats to come. We all pass from this earth, don't spend your days doubting, and wonder what could have been. Wish all of you the best of luck in 2012!</end quote>
Thank you for your story. I absolutely understand that living for today and not dwelling in the "what ifs" is a more purposeful way to live. But sometimes, when I'm literally stuck (in the house, in the hospital, doing RT and coughing up mucous for hours, in pain from pancreatitis, etc.), my mind wanders. I do have a toolbox of coping mechanisms, but sometimes I'm too beat to employ them.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>athanasia</b></i>.... My point to my ramblings is that I still think about death, especially now that I have so much to lose. But every time I do, I think about all of the blessings that I have been given, the miracles that I have not only witnessed but have been a part of, and all the times that He could have taken me away if He wanted but hasn't. It then makes me think that I could let fear control me and miss out or I can let it drive me to make sure that I do everything on my list first. Take in every breath, every moment, and enjoy every person in your life as you have them. Don't worry about the next one or what may happen. I prey you find that peaceful feeling (again, without extreme issues leading you to it) and let it wash over you. No one knows how many breaths we are going to get in this life but I have learned that each one, no matter how much effort it takes me to get it, is the greatest breath yet. Sorry for such a long reply, I just hope it helps.</end quote>
I make sure to count my blessings every day. In fact, each night as I lay in bed, part of my "routine" is thanking God for all of the blessings in my life, and to help me find the strength and courage to manage everything in my life, and to give me whatever I need to help others. I have learned that my purpose on earth is to help others through their own personal struggles using my own experiences and research. It has to be, because I get phone calls from my family and friends, from people I haven't talked to in 15 years, to even people I barely know, confiding in me and asking for assistance. I've helped a number of people navigate the medical system. I know that my "suffering" for lack of a better term, is what has given me the ability to educate, support, motivate and listen to those who are confused, scared and upset. So, yeah, I consider myself very lucky to know my life purpose.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Havoc</b></i> I agree quite a lot with anien2. I am not religious, so that doesn't factor into my thoughts on an afterlife. Obviously, cultures have been fixated on the afterlife as far as we have historic record, as others have mentioned. Probably the best evidence of the "other side" we have is to ask yourself what it was like before you were born? Don't remember anything, do you? Nothingness. I'm ok with that.</end quote>
See, THAT scares the heck out me. The lack on consciousness. Just, nothing. My religion teaches me otherwise, but even the strongest faith can waver at times.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>TheAmazingBD</b></i> I am not afraid to die but I do visualize and dream about my death and what my loved ones will have to deal with when I pass. My thoughts and dreams usually detail HOW I die, the reactions of my loved ones, what is done with my belongings, how they pay off my bills and access my computer!! CRAZY STUFF...but logical thoughts. I've thought about my death from a car accident to lungs collapsing. I've never really believed that CF would kill me. I still doubt that. I let the thoughts pass and realize we are all going to die and there is no telling when or how. For me, it is most important to cherish my LIFE and in death, I'll deal with it when it happens. wishing you a peaceful mind. xo</end quote>
I do fear that my husband will be in so much pain if I die before he does, as much as I would be in pain if he went first. That breaks my heart. I hope that if I go first, he finds someone to love him, take care of him, and be everything that I couldn't.
I did have some other answers but the computer ate them. Thank you for replying to my question.

Hugs and health,
Kitty
 

CFkitty

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Thank you for the sincere replies. Obviously, these thoughts invade my mind when I am in a sick spell and have a lot of time to think. Thankfully, I have a bucketful of distractions and things to keep my mind busy when I need to.

I guess I'm not one of those CF patients who people can say is always positive and "Living for the moment!!!" Most of the time, I am a happy person, but sometimes, my mind just goes to those dark places.

Thanks again.
 

CFkitty

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Thank you for the sincere replies. Obviously, these thoughts invade my mind when I am in a sick spell and have a lot of time to think. Thankfully, I have a bucketful of distractions and things to keep my mind busy when I need to.

I guess I'm not one of those CF patients who people can say is always positive and "Living for the moment!!!" Most of the time, I am a happy person, but sometimes, my mind just goes to those dark places.

Thanks again.
 

Anomie

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"We are all one conscioussness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're just an imagination of ourselves." And if you don't believe that then maybe I can interest you in a copy of this month's "watchtower".
 

Anomie

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"We are all one conscioussness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're just an imagination of ourselves." And if you don't believe that then maybe I can interest you in a copy of this month's "watchtower".
 

viokitty

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[one big one that stands out is that the vast majority of Cfers are not basically healthy and then bam, are gone within months. Just doesn't work that way. It was either headed that way for a long time and they or you weren't aware (or they were in denial), or alot more preventative work could have been put in.]

This is not true. a couple of months ago I was admitted to the hospital with PFTs in the 70s and released 10 days later with them in the 80s. less than one week later I had to be rushed to the emergency room with PFTs of 39%. This did not happen slowly, it was sudden and completely unexpected. Even the doctors were shocked. I just wanted to show that it is possible to be healthy and then suddenly not be.
 
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katethekid

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I too dwell on this subject sometimes. It's something everyone thinks about, but having CF we probably think about it more than others. Families of CFers probably think about it more too. The important thing is to live life to it's fullest. Take care of yourself, but have fun. I prefer to think there is an afterlife where I will see my friends and family again. The thought of just ceasing to exist terrifies me, though really it shouldn't because like others have said, how would we know? I worry more about leaving my family behind though. I hope they will be okay once I am gone, though that should be a long time from now <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> When I was 7 I contracted a disease through an gammaglobulin treatment. The docs said I probably wouldn't make it because the treatments would be too hard on my systems. But it went away by age 11 without treatment. My point is, we prepare ourselves to die at a very young age. The hard part is to keep living after you prepare yourself. Hopefully there will be a cure in our lifetime and we can all live out our lives.... Only to apparently get killed by something other than our CF.
 

aleeahsyaya6436

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Oh my, it's so hard not to. My granddaughter is 8 months old and has double Delta 58. She was diagnosed at 3 days old. I thought about it more than I should. I had a neighbor who buried her CF husband then daughter and within the next year she lost her son with CF, one son without CF in a car accident then her last son with CF a few months later. It was devastating. I just couldn't imagine having to deal with something like that. Then our little Aleeah came along. I am 54 and I pray she will out live me, but I also worry that her mommy and daddy may bury her. I am hopeful with all the advances in research and treatment that they may find a cure in her life time, and may others. I really try hard not to focus on death and fear, because it will paralyze you and keep you from focusing on the precious moments we have right now. Cherish and celebrate every moment, enjoy every moment and focus on the beauty of life. When those fears sneak in, maybe have a good cry, but don't cling to it.
 

MichaelFuchs

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Hey all! First post here. So I don't have CF, but I am touched by it. My best friend of many years has had it, along with his brother, and another boy I used to be close with and have gone to school with since elementary school is very sick, in and out of the hospital, and is currently bouncing in and out of intensive care.

My main point is that I ended up here for two reasons: To gain some perspective into what my friend was feeling, and to do some research for a school project. I will be reading some of the responses here to my high school peers if that is all right with you all.

Bottom line is: you all are absolutely inspirational. I love that even in the tough situations you all encounter, you have a view on life that is unlike many of those that are perfectly healthy. It's truly amazing and I wish to share the way you all live with some of ungrateful peers I seem to be surrounded by. I love finally finding people who love life even more than I do, which is very hard to do. So thank you all for enlightening me. I hope to post here much more often, as this is a very warm and open community. I wish you all the best. To a happy and a healthy 2012, and we'll just take it from there. Cheers all!
 
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katethekid

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Each exacerbation... Whether it be a superbug, infection, whatever the cause... hurts our bodies a little more each time. My Nana loved angels and thus I've always liked the thought of becoming an angel when I die... So I say each time I get sick that my wings are just growing a little bit stronger. And they will continue to grow until the day I'm called home.... Kind of morbid I'm sure, but to me it's a nicer way to think of things....
 
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