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JazzysMom · Oct 13, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless

Sorry for the delay in
writing, but I needed to register and the work pc wouldn't play
ball.

Mockingbird, you said that the reason for praying is simple. Prayer
is not about asking for stuff, it's about communication with God.
Others concur, saying that prayer is not a shopping
list.



This seems to be in
direct contradiction of the very scriptures I quoted earlier. To
paraphrase:



Mathew 7:7 - Ask and
it shall be given....



Mathew 21:21 - .....you
will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.



John 14:12 - 14 .... if
you ask anything in my name, I will do it.



The scriptures are
incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive
whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give
it. I am not sure how this can be read differently,
especially when in context of the surrounding text.



In a different thread
you stated "You don't understand. I cast away my own thoughts and
ideas long ago when I realized they were useless. (Ecclesiastes
1:12-15) I, myself, am neither wise nor knowledgeable, so anything
I say apart from scripture is completely meaningless."



Having cast away your
thoughts and ideas, what is said in the scriptures must remain at
face value. It says "Ask and it shall be given....." not ask and it
shall be given so long as fits in my master plan. If you ask
anything in my name, I will do it. Anything. Whatever you ask for.
These are definites, not some woolly provisos.



You say prayer is not
about asking for stuff - I say that according to the bible it is!
By your own words anything you say apart from scripture is
meaningless and therefore invalid.

IMHO (that of a spiritual, but not religious person) that its in the wording. Just like when I wished upon a star as a child. If you make a "general" wish such as I wish I didnt have to suffer or I didnt have breathing problems with CF. That is a lot different then saying I wish I never had CF etc. I believe that what we want (depending on our thoughts/wishes) & what we get (depending on whats interpretted as our thoughts/wishes) can be different. My understanding of how "God" works is that he always answers us. Just not in the way we were expecting, hoping or wishing. **Refer to the general wish part of this paragraph**

Mockingbird · Oct 15, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless
The scriptures are incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give it. I am not sure how this can be read differently, especially when in context of the surrounding text.</end quote></div>

John 14:12-14 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you."

1 John 5:14-15 "This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

James 4:3 "You ask and do not recieve, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures."

When putting scriptures in context, it is important to use the whole of the Bible, not just the surrounding text.

As for the reason for prayer, yes, a lot of prayer is asking for stuff, but as it says, "Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." Matthew 6:8 Again, I tell you, the true reason of prayer is for our benefit, to establish our relationship with God. It is about communication with God, and acknowledging our reliance upon Him.

Mockingbird · Oct 15, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless
The scriptures are incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give it. I am not sure how this can be read differently, especially when in context of the surrounding text.</end quote></div>

John 14:12-14 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you."

1 John 5:14-15 "This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

James 4:3 "You ask and do not recieve, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures."

When putting scriptures in context, it is important to use the whole of the Bible, not just the surrounding text.

As for the reason for prayer, yes, a lot of prayer is asking for stuff, but as it says, "Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." Matthew 6:8 Again, I tell you, the true reason of prayer is for our benefit, to establish our relationship with God. It is about communication with God, and acknowledging our reliance upon Him.

Mockingbird · Oct 15, 2006

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Faithless
The scriptures are incredibly clear; ask and it shall be given, you will receive whatever you ask, if you ask anything in my name I will give it. I am not sure how this can be read differently, especially when in context of the surrounding text.</end quote></div>

John 14:12-14 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

John 15:7 "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you."

1 John 5:14-15 "This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

James 4:3 "You ask and do not recieve, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures."

When putting scriptures in context, it is important to use the whole of the Bible, not just the surrounding text.

As for the reason for prayer, yes, a lot of prayer is asking for stuff, but as it says, "Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him." Matthew 6:8 Again, I tell you, the true reason of prayer is for our benefit, to establish our relationship with God. It is about communication with God, and acknowledging our reliance upon Him.

yquinn · Oct 26, 2006

Read about someone being healed of CF at this web site! 
 
<a href=
"http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html ">
http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html</a>

yquinn · Oct 26, 2006

Read about someone being healed of CF at this web site! 
 
<a href=
"http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html ">
http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html</a>

yquinn · Oct 26, 2006

Read about someone being healed of CF at this web site! 
 
<a href=
"http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html ">
http://www.answers2prayer.org/answered_prayers/prayers/healing/cystic_fibrosis.html</a>

catboogie · Oct 26, 2006

god helps those who help themselves.

catboogie · Oct 26, 2006

god helps those who help themselves.

catboogie · Oct 26, 2006

god helps those who help themselves.

Lilith · Oct 27, 2006

Religious dogma has never helped me. There isn't a night or
day that my family (all of them Catholic) haven't prayed for me to
get well. And yet, here I am. I even tried prayer
myself, for a time, before I developed my own understanding.
I believe in a higher power; however, I do not believe that
man understands it. We just pretend to in order to bring some
kind of comfort. That is my belief, and what I've gathered
through my own observation and experience. 
 
Therefore, I certainly don't believe CF just
"disappears", God or not. The mutation that causes
CF is embedded in the genetic code. It isn't so easily done
away with, and even if it was, why would God create a disease in a
person only to later "remove" it? That wouldn't
make much sense, assuming that God is as logical as the Bible
implies, assuming his intelligence and habits are indeed somewhat
humanoid and not something else entirely... 
 
Bah, I'm rambling. At any rate, I don't believe anyone has
ever been "cured" of CF due to prayer, and anyone who
claims to have been "saved"...well, I'd request a copy of
their medical records before you take their word for it.

Lilith · Oct 27, 2006

Religious dogma has never helped me. There isn't a night or
day that my family (all of them Catholic) haven't prayed for me to
get well. And yet, here I am. I even tried prayer
myself, for a time, before I developed my own understanding.
I believe in a higher power; however, I do not believe that
man understands it. We just pretend to in order to bring some
kind of comfort. That is my belief, and what I've gathered
through my own observation and experience. 
 
Therefore, I certainly don't believe CF just
"disappears", God or not. The mutation that causes
CF is embedded in the genetic code. It isn't so easily done
away with, and even if it was, why would God create a disease in a
person only to later "remove" it? That wouldn't
make much sense, assuming that God is as logical as the Bible
implies, assuming his intelligence and habits are indeed somewhat
humanoid and not something else entirely... 
 
Bah, I'm rambling. At any rate, I don't believe anyone has
ever been "cured" of CF due to prayer, and anyone who
claims to have been "saved"...well, I'd request a copy of
their medical records before you take their word for it.

Lilith · Oct 27, 2006

Religious dogma has never helped me. There isn't a night or
day that my family (all of them Catholic) haven't prayed for me to
get well. And yet, here I am. I even tried prayer
myself, for a time, before I developed my own understanding.
I believe in a higher power; however, I do not believe that
man understands it. We just pretend to in order to bring some
kind of comfort. That is my belief, and what I've gathered
through my own observation and experience. 
 
Therefore, I certainly don't believe CF just
"disappears", God or not. The mutation that causes
CF is embedded in the genetic code. It isn't so easily done
away with, and even if it was, why would God create a disease in a
person only to later "remove" it? That wouldn't
make much sense, assuming that God is as logical as the Bible
implies, assuming his intelligence and habits are indeed somewhat
humanoid and not something else entirely... 
 
Bah, I'm rambling. At any rate, I don't believe anyone has
ever been "cured" of CF due to prayer, and anyone who
claims to have been "saved"...well, I'd request a copy of
their medical records before you take their word for it.

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