Uh! Why do meds cost so much?!?!?!

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>

I've read on this board about some really scary scenarios regaring hospitalizations in countries that have socialized medicine (really poor care). I don't think I would that to be the case in the US.</end quote></div>


Did you read jennifers story in the hospital?
 

Ender

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>

I've read on this board about some really scary scenarios regaring hospitalizations in countries that have socialized medicine (really poor care). I don't think I would that to be the case in the US.</end quote></div>


Did you read jennifers story in the hospital?
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.



Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>

That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.

In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?

And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?
I would assume this is so, but was curious.
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.



Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>

That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.

In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?

And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?
I would assume this is so, but was curious.
 

Landy

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>

In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.



Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>

That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.

In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?

And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?
I would assume this is so, but was curious.
 

KrazyKat

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Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.
 

KrazyKat

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Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.
 

KrazyKat

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Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.
 

JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>KrazyKat</b></i>

Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.</end quote></div>

LOL Kat....is this something that annoys you?
 

JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>KrazyKat</b></i>

Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.</end quote></div>

LOL Kat....is this something that annoys you?
 

JazzysMom

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>KrazyKat</b></i>

Oh great, yet another cholestorol controlling drug - wonder why when there are alrady several good drugs that do a good job of conrolling cholestorol - of course it's all about money. If it wasn't, there would be more drugs being discovered/developed for CFers, especially those of us with Cepacia - but no, we don't have anywhere the same amount of financial punch. Lipitor and Lipex are the biggest selling drug in the USA.

What brasses me off even more, is that for most people, high cholesterol and heart disease are preventable diseased, the US citizens who pay through the nose for these cholesterol drugs have most of the time dug their own graves by shovelling fatty foods down their throats all day and sittin on their too fat a$$es in between feeds - yet billions of dollars a year is spent trying to save their sad self destructive a$$es.

Yet here we are with an unfair and undeserved disease, and we spend most of our lives trying to stay healthy, watching what we eat, not smoking/drinking, exercising regularly - but for us, there is next to no money spent...we just have to suffer in silence.

Extremely unjust and it makes me mad as hell. I suggest they spend $1 buying a piece of number 8 wire for every American with heart disease resulting from lifestyle choices and wire their fat jaws shut instead, then donate the money to those of us with genetic disease not of our own making instead.

It's right up there with our NZ tax money paying for the health care of people who lead the same 'fat person' lifestyle and end up with heart disease, diabetes, cancer......they spend half their lives in hospital using up my tax money, simply because they CHOOSE to eat crap food, drink too much booze, smoke cigarettes and sit around all day.......you'd have to live on a desert island to not know that these things are all bad for you...but still they do it, so i'll keep working to ensure these mentally bereft and irresponsible people can be kept alive...while I slowly die.</end quote></div>

LOL Kat....is this something that annoys you?
 

KrazyKat

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hehe, can you tell huh? didn't realise i made it so very clear <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> it's quite funny, as i was typing that my colleague commented on how hard i was hitting the keyboard.......they can tell when i'm typing something out of anger...they know me well!!!
 

KrazyKat

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hehe, can you tell huh? didn't realise i made it so very clear <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> it's quite funny, as i was typing that my colleague commented on how hard i was hitting the keyboard.......they can tell when i'm typing something out of anger...they know me well!!!
 

KrazyKat

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hehe, can you tell huh? didn't realise i made it so very clear <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif" border="0"> it's quite funny, as i was typing that my colleague commented on how hard i was hitting the keyboard.......they can tell when i'm typing something out of anger...they know me well!!!
 

kybert

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



I've read on this board about some really scary scenarios regaring hospitalizations in countries that have socialized medicine (really poor care). I don't think I would that to be the case in the US.</end quote></div>





Did you read jennifers story in the hospital?</end quote></div>

damn straight. whilst i have some bad stories to tell about the healthcare in australia, the US people have stories that are far worse! dont get me wrong, i absolutely hate the state of healthcare here, but id rather be here than the US.
 

kybert

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



I've read on this board about some really scary scenarios regaring hospitalizations in countries that have socialized medicine (really poor care). I don't think I would that to be the case in the US.</end quote></div>





Did you read jennifers story in the hospital?</end quote></div>

damn straight. whilst i have some bad stories to tell about the healthcare in australia, the US people have stories that are far worse! dont get me wrong, i absolutely hate the state of healthcare here, but id rather be here than the US.
 

kybert

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Ender</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>jfarel</b></i>



I've read on this board about some really scary scenarios regaring hospitalizations in countries that have socialized medicine (really poor care). I don't think I would that to be the case in the US.</end quote></div>





Did you read jennifers story in the hospital?</end quote></div>

damn straight. whilst i have some bad stories to tell about the healthcare in australia, the US people have stories that are far worse! dont get me wrong, i absolutely hate the state of healthcare here, but id rather be here than the US.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lynda</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>



In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.







Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>



That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.



In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?



And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?

I would assume this is so, but was curious.</end quote></div>


Both of my boyfriend's parents practice medicine in the EU. Yes, they have pharma reps. Direct to Consumer Advertising varies from country to country.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lynda</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>



In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.







Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>



That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.



In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?



And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?

I would assume this is so, but was curious.</end quote></div>


Both of my boyfriend's parents practice medicine in the EU. Yes, they have pharma reps. Direct to Consumer Advertising varies from country to country.
 

NoExcuses

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>Lynda</b></i>

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>sakasuka</b></i>



In the US, the industry is so regulated that the government monitors repoting of R&D costs. Scientists salaries, research facility supply & costs, as well as costs associated with clinical trials are only included in R&D expenditures. The pharma industry is the most highly regulated industry in the US.







Rep salaries, advertising, etc. are not allowed to be included in R&D costs. Most headquarters are located in NJ - you should go visit. You'd be surprised at how modest they are.</end quote></div>



That's all good to know. I guess another question would be, I wonder what percent of revenue is spent towards advertising? I'm sure it varies from company to company.



In light of the most recent elections & just assuming that a democrat will be elected president next time, I wonder if socialized medicine in the US is unavoidable?



And to those of you in socialized countries: do you see advertising on TV, etc for prescription drugs? Also, are there reps from drug companies visiting your doctors offices on a regular basis, trying to inform doctors of new drugs on the market & trying to get them to prescribe them to their patients?

I would assume this is so, but was curious.</end quote></div>


Both of my boyfriend's parents practice medicine in the EU. Yes, they have pharma reps. Direct to Consumer Advertising varies from country to country.
 
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