Ultrasound Results

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zeeannie

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Recently my daughter had an ultrasound on her abdomen. She's had GI discomfort for quite some time and has many tests to figure out what is wrong since it seems worse than normal CF discomfort. The ultrasound showed that her "liver texture is consistent with cystic fibrosis.". We'll be seeing her GI doc next month but in the meantime, does anyone know wth that means? Her liver enzymes are slightly elevated and she has been on actigall in the past but is not now. Might this be the cause of her pain? Does the texture mean she's on the road to liver disease?
 
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zeeannie

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Recently my daughter had an ultrasound on her abdomen. She's had GI discomfort for quite some time and has many tests to figure out what is wrong since it seems worse than normal CF discomfort. The ultrasound showed that her "liver texture is consistent with cystic fibrosis.". We'll be seeing her GI doc next month but in the meantime, does anyone know wth that means? Her liver enzymes are slightly elevated and she has been on actigall in the past but is not now. Might this be the cause of her pain? Does the texture mean she's on the road to liver disease?
 
cystic fibrosis can cause fatty liver. cystic fibrosis can affect SO many systems in the body and that is just one of them. Im actually studying ultrasound and am in my externship portion of schooling to become a diagnostic medical sonographer. The texture of a normal liver is homogeneous with low level echoes on ultrasound and with fatty infiltrate it has increased echogenicity which makes it brighter. fatty infiltrate is a benign process and may be reversible but it has also been shown that fatty infiltration of the liver is a precursor to significant chonic disease in a percentage of people with this(not just CFers but people with this in general).
 
cystic fibrosis can cause fatty liver. cystic fibrosis can affect SO many systems in the body and that is just one of them. Im actually studying ultrasound and am in my externship portion of schooling to become a diagnostic medical sonographer. The texture of a normal liver is homogeneous with low level echoes on ultrasound and with fatty infiltrate it has increased echogenicity which makes it brighter. fatty infiltrate is a benign process and may be reversible but it has also been shown that fatty infiltration of the liver is a precursor to significant chonic disease in a percentage of people with this(not just CFers but people with this in general).
 
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witzersmom

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My daughter fell into terrible pain during her baseball game, I took her to the ER and her liver enzymes were in the thousands. They had to give her morphine to control pain and bring her blood pressure down. The counts went down every day, as they monitored her with lab tests. It took about 2 weeks to be at a normal count again. The docs told me not to worry because it cleared up on its own, it was just a virus and could have happened to anyone, and it was NOT a result of CF at all. I pray your childs case is similiar, but I am aware that liver disease is another CF problem.
That being said, one of the nurses ( off the record, of course) swears by milk thistle to preserve liver, says she has seen it halt liver disease. I talked to the CF and GI docs, they said it at least shouldn't hurt anything. So your post was my reminder to and motivation. I am getting some milk thistle tomorrow and hope it does some small maintenance job in that liver.
 
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witzersmom

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My daughter fell into terrible pain during her baseball game, I took her to the ER and her liver enzymes were in the thousands. They had to give her morphine to control pain and bring her blood pressure down. The counts went down every day, as they monitored her with lab tests. It took about 2 weeks to be at a normal count again. The docs told me not to worry because it cleared up on its own, it was just a virus and could have happened to anyone, and it was NOT a result of CF at all. I pray your childs case is similiar, but I am aware that liver disease is another CF problem.
That being said, one of the nurses ( off the record, of course) swears by milk thistle to preserve liver, says she has seen it halt liver disease. I talked to the CF and GI docs, they said it at least shouldn't hurt anything. So your post was my reminder to and motivation. I am getting some milk thistle tomorrow and hope it does some small maintenance job in that liver.
 
My son's just got the beginnings of damage to his liver. He's also got major GI issues with cf. I agree that you need to see a CF Gastro Specialist for SURE! Ask for nearby centers if yours doesn't have someone that works with CF GI issues specifically.

One medicine you may ask your doctors about is Ursodial. My son's been on it for 2 years. It's helping his liver keep in line and stay healthier. It's not a miracle drug, but it's helped us.

Also, be positive, just because the liver is "consistent with Cystic Fibrosis" doesn't mean it's shutting down. Ask your doctors about the liver levels in bloodwork. Ask them what this description means. It may mean that things are just starting to be damaged. Ask about daily use of miralax. It helps move things through the system. Just keep asking questions and record symptoms so you have a little journal of when things happened....pain right after eating? # of bm's a day, consistency of bm's, any major changes, etc.
 
My son's just got the beginnings of damage to his liver. He's also got major GI issues with cf. I agree that you need to see a CF Gastro Specialist for SURE! Ask for nearby centers if yours doesn't have someone that works with CF GI issues specifically.

One medicine you may ask your doctors about is Ursodial. My son's been on it for 2 years. It's helping his liver keep in line and stay healthier. It's not a miracle drug, but it's helped us.

Also, be positive, just because the liver is "consistent with Cystic Fibrosis" doesn't mean it's shutting down. Ask your doctors about the liver levels in bloodwork. Ask them what this description means. It may mean that things are just starting to be damaged. Ask about daily use of miralax. It helps move things through the system. Just keep asking questions and record symptoms so you have a little journal of when things happened....pain right after eating? # of bm's a day, consistency of bm's, any major changes, etc.
 

MiahsMommy

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Hi there. We are currently in the hospital with baby Miah with elevated liver enzymes as well. So far we aren't sure what caused it but her GI doc is thinking its a viral. I'm hoping and praying that's all it is and isn't CF related. I've noticed on several post of liver problems with patients DDF508. praying for all to be well, hang in there.
 

MiahsMommy

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Hi there. We are currently in the hospital with baby Miah with elevated liver enzymes as well. So far we aren't sure what caused it but her GI doc is thinking its a viral. I'm hoping and praying that's all it is and isn't CF related. I've noticed on several post of liver problems with patients DDF508. praying for all to be well, hang in there.
 

TestifyToLove

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To be perfectly honest it's been my experience that niether a typical GI *nor* a CF GI is at all equipped to manage liver complications, not even those related to CF.

Micah has seen a Heptalogist since he came home. He had only ever seen a CF GI prior to that point, and they completely bungled his care from start to finish. They simply are not trained for the liver. We've been told that 12% of CFers will experience some level of liver disease. However, GIs are not trained properly in the liver per se.

Our center's CF GI just came by to see us today. He can offer suggestions on weight gain, on PI, on short gut and bowel struggles. He has NOTHING to contribute towards the liver issues. And, what he provides for fat soluable vitamins is less than the Heptalogist, because it was finally accepted that the fat soluable vitamin struggles are liver related and not merely CF at this point.

I deeply wish someone had taken Micah to a Heptalogist in the first six years of his life, before he was ours. So much more could have been done for him (including trying to preserve his bowels for tranplant potentially).

Anything that our Heptalogist has needed to refer to the CF team on, he has been able to quite easily. Conversely, the CF team has never ONCE touched Micah without his Heptalogist weighing in. We learned early on that liver trumps EVERYTHING, and you don't need a CF doctor for it but a liver specialist.
 

TestifyToLove

New member
To be perfectly honest it's been my experience that niether a typical GI *nor* a CF GI is at all equipped to manage liver complications, not even those related to CF.

Micah has seen a Heptalogist since he came home. He had only ever seen a CF GI prior to that point, and they completely bungled his care from start to finish. They simply are not trained for the liver. We've been told that 12% of CFers will experience some level of liver disease. However, GIs are not trained properly in the liver per se.

Our center's CF GI just came by to see us today. He can offer suggestions on weight gain, on PI, on short gut and bowel struggles. He has NOTHING to contribute towards the liver issues. And, what he provides for fat soluable vitamins is less than the Heptalogist, because it was finally accepted that the fat soluable vitamin struggles are liver related and not merely CF at this point.

I deeply wish someone had taken Micah to a Heptalogist in the first six years of his life, before he was ours. So much more could have been done for him (including trying to preserve his bowels for tranplant potentially).

Anything that our Heptalogist has needed to refer to the CF team on, he has been able to quite easily. Conversely, the CF team has never ONCE touched Micah without his Heptalogist weighing in. We learned early on that liver trumps EVERYTHING, and you don't need a CF doctor for it but a liver specialist.
 
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