Vest

[ecsnut]

You might want to Electromed, Inc. makers of the SmartVest....they have contacts all over Europe and can probably help you. I have referred some other patients over to them and they have been very helpful.Vest therapy is a tool that can be used with other forms of airway therapy...its not the lazy way out...just another tool. Good luck
<a href="http://www.electromed.com">www.electromed.com</a>
1-800-462-1045

 

[ecsnut]

You might want to Electromed, Inc. makers of the SmartVest....they have contacts all over Europe and can probably help you. I have referred some other patients over to them and they have been very helpful.Vest therapy is a tool that can be used with other forms of airway therapy...its not the lazy way out...just another tool. Good luck
<a href="http://www.electromed.com">www.electromed.com</a>
1-800-462-1045

 

[ecsnut]

Hi there again...I have a contact for you if you are interested in getting a device. You will still need a doctors prescription for it, but I can direct you to a distributor in Germany. Please email me privately. <a href="mailto:ecsnut@hotmail.com">ecsnut@hotmail.com</a> All my best, E

 

[ecsnut]

Hi there again...I have a contact for you if you are interested in getting a device. You will still need a doctors prescription for it, but I can direct you to a distributor in Germany. Please email me privately. <a href="mailto:ecsnut@hotmail.com">ecsnut@hotmail.com</a> All my best, E

 

[hammerpocket]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't see the need to (indirectly) accuse others of laziness for using the vest. If you feel good enough to do a cardio workout, using the vest is not going to keep you from doing that instead of or (more likely) in addition to vest treatments. I can do the vest when it's 20 below outside at midnight when the gym is closed. On the other hand, if you don't feel well enough to work out, you can usually still do the vest. There have been very, very few times when I felt too sick to use the vest. Plus, most people are going to "just sit there" doing nebulized meds anyway; it's no more time wasted.

 

[hammerpocket]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't see the need to (indirectly) accuse others of laziness for using the vest. If you feel good enough to do a cardio workout, using the vest is not going to keep you from doing that instead of or (more likely) in addition to vest treatments. I can do the vest when it's 20 below outside at midnight when the gym is closed. On the other hand, if you don't feel well enough to work out, you can usually still do the vest. There have been very, very few times when I felt too sick to use the vest. Plus, most people are going to "just sit there" doing nebulized meds anyway; it's no more time wasted.

 

[Havoc]

^^^I agree. I just started using the vest despite being pretty physically active. I use the vest when I would be sitting around anyway (like when I am working on the computer). I still maintain my previous level of activity.

 

[Havoc]

^^^I agree. I just started using the vest despite being pretty physically active. I use the vest when I would be sitting around anyway (like when I am working on the computer). I still maintain my previous level of activity.

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ecsnut</b></i> You might want to Electromed, Inc. makers of the SmartVest....they have contacts all over Europe and can probably help you. I have referred some other patients over to them and they have been very helpful.Vest therapy is a tool that can be used with other forms of airway therapy...its not the lazy way out...just another tool. Good luck <a href="http://www.electromed.com">www.electromed.com</a> 1-800-462-1045</end quote>

Be careful.... not all vests are created equal.
Each has a different wave form, resulting in various clinical outcomes. Make sure to examin each company thoroughly before you obtain the machine

 

[saveferris2009]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote><i>Originally posted by: <b>ecsnut</b></i> You might want to Electromed, Inc. makers of the SmartVest....they have contacts all over Europe and can probably help you. I have referred some other patients over to them and they have been very helpful.Vest therapy is a tool that can be used with other forms of airway therapy...its not the lazy way out...just another tool. Good luck <a href="http://www.electromed.com">www.electromed.com</a> 1-800-462-1045</end quote>

Be careful.... not all vests are created equal.
Each has a different wave form, resulting in various clinical outcomes. Make sure to examin each company thoroughly before you obtain the machine

 

[ecsnut]

Just trying to give this woman options. Show me the data on that one SAVEFERRIS 2009. There is no real clinical evidence on wave form. This woman is is looking for help. Lets try and help her...bottom line...airway clearance and access to it is the topic. I know....I have benefited from it for 5 years. And used all of them out there....that's all I am saying.

 

[ecsnut]

Just trying to give this woman options. Show me the data on that one SAVEFERRIS 2009. There is no real clinical evidence on wave form. This woman is is looking for help. Lets try and help her...bottom line...airway clearance and access to it is the topic. I know....I have benefited from it for 5 years. And used all of them out there....that's all I am saying.

 

[saveferris2009]

Triangle wave form, sine wave form, etc are all different. The man who invented High Frequency Chest Compression has studied this extensively, as he is the engineer.

If you're going to spend thousands on a device, and spend hours, days or months of your life using a device, shouldn't it be the best one out there?

Here is an article about Dr. Warwick, who invented HFCC. http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/12/06/041206fa_fact


From Dr. Warwick:

"The inCourage System uses a new valve that interrupts a constant flow of air from the machine into triangle wave forms of energy. We did one clinical study with an early very large prototype machine comparing the effectiveness of new triangle waveform versus the sine waveform. The triangle waveform, using the frequency recommened for the square waveform machines and a pressure that did not make breathing difficult, produced an average of 20% more sputum than the sine waveform delivered using the table to adjust pressures to avoid difficulty breathing."


Again, just discussing research from a man who invented the sine, triangle and square waveform machines. Might as well have all the info out there before investing thousands of dollars and months of your life doing treatments. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[saveferris2009]

Triangle wave form, sine wave form, etc are all different. The man who invented High Frequency Chest Compression has studied this extensively, as he is the engineer.

If you're going to spend thousands on a device, and spend hours, days or months of your life using a device, shouldn't it be the best one out there?

Here is an article about Dr. Warwick, who invented HFCC. http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/12/06/041206fa_fact


From Dr. Warwick:

"The inCourage System uses a new valve that interrupts a constant flow of air from the machine into triangle wave forms of energy. We did one clinical study with an early very large prototype machine comparing the effectiveness of new triangle waveform versus the sine waveform. The triangle waveform, using the frequency recommened for the square waveform machines and a pressure that did not make breathing difficult, produced an average of 20% more sputum than the sine waveform delivered using the table to adjust pressures to avoid difficulty breathing."


Again, just discussing research from a man who invented the sine, triangle and square waveform machines. Might as well have all the info out there before investing thousands of dollars and months of your life doing treatments. <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0">

 

[erock77]

I will admit, the vest makes airway clearance passive and easy, but there are other cheaper options. Not just exercise, but the flutter, acapella, chest PT, percussors, PEP, autogenic drainage, etc. They take a little more effort and discipline, I don't recall how the efficacy compares but I recall them all being rated as pretty effective.

If I had to pay $10-15k out of pocket, I'd probably evaluate those others a little more. I delayed getting the vest when I was younger mostly b/c it looks stupid, but I didn't have the discipline to diligently stick with those alternatives. They seemed all pretty effective.

 

[erock77]

I will admit, the vest makes airway clearance passive and easy, but there are other cheaper options. Not just exercise, but the flutter, acapella, chest PT, percussors, PEP, autogenic drainage, etc. They take a little more effort and discipline, I don't recall how the efficacy compares but I recall them all being rated as pretty effective.

If I had to pay $10-15k out of pocket, I'd probably evaluate those others a little more. I delayed getting the vest when I was younger mostly b/c it looks stupid, but I didn't have the discipline to diligently stick with those alternatives. They seemed all pretty effective.

 

[anthonyeric]

I'm 19, and my fathers insurance has covered the vest twice already. Once about 10 years ago and again last year. Personally I rarely used the best when I was younger because I was so active in sports . My pfts were always high. Once I became less active and graduated high school I could tell a difference. Getting infections and sick more often. The vest in my opinion is not needed unless you cannot exercise/be active. I usually run 2 miles everyday to compensate for not doing the vest all the time. When I dont feel like working out is when I slap the vest on. I currently range from 104-108 fev1, on my current routine.

 

[anthonyeric]

I'm 19, and my fathers insurance has covered the vest twice already. Once about 10 years ago and again last year. Personally I rarely used the best when I was younger because I was so active in sports . My pfts were always high. Once I became less active and graduated high school I could tell a difference. Getting infections and sick more often. The vest in my opinion is not needed unless you cannot exercise/be active. I usually run 2 miles everyday to compensate for not doing the vest all the time. When I dont feel like working out is when I slap the vest on. I currently range from 104-108 fev1, on my current routine.

 

[nocode]

So one could argue that the vest can be very effective especially for someone whose PFTs are lower and has a hard time working out.
I definitely understand that physical exercise has more benefits than the vest and that the vest should by no means replace it, but the thought of having something like the vest that can help facilitate the secretion-loosening process sounds fantastic.

I got a phone number for Europe and called them up and they said I can try a vest for 2 weeks, rent for 6 months or a year, or ultimately buy one... there are options, which I'm happy to try!

Any extra advice on how to use the vest? I believe I'll be getting a Hill-Room..

Thank you so much for your answers, it's been really helpful and I'm excited about this new possibility. I should add that I don't even do chest PT (have not done so in over a decade) and my FEV of 35% doesn't allow me to get a proper work out (for instance, jogging ..), although I do try to keep active with cycling and other similar activities.

 

[nocode]

So one could argue that the vest can be very effective especially for someone whose PFTs are lower and has a hard time working out.
I definitely understand that physical exercise has more benefits than the vest and that the vest should by no means replace it, but the thought of having something like the vest that can help facilitate the secretion-loosening process sounds fantastic.

I got a phone number for Europe and called them up and they said I can try a vest for 2 weeks, rent for 6 months or a year, or ultimately buy one... there are options, which I'm happy to try!

Any extra advice on how to use the vest? I believe I'll be getting a Hill-Room..

Thank you so much for your answers, it's been really helpful and I'm excited about this new possibility. I should add that I don't even do chest PT (have not done so in over a decade) and my FEV of 35% doesn't allow me to get a proper work out (for instance, jogging ..), although I do try to keep active with cycling and other similar activities.