went to the docs- guess its a no go.. wish doc would have told me this

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

well. today is monday. i went to the docs.

he decided he wouldnt put me on clomid, feeling it wouldnt be any good to me- and just a waste of time. he said even if he did iui he wouldnt put me on clomid. and he suggested IVF but would try 2 rounds of IUI first, just to see if it worked or not. <img src="">. why is he saying this now when he said before i could use iui as a most definite choice. i havent had any tests between todays appt and the last time i saw him when he said wed try clomid.

he had no other options or opinions.. except to tell me that my right tube was blocked when he did the laprascope. Ive seen him 2 other times since the surgery and both times he told me it wasnt blocked but just slow... in his opinion it was a usable tube.

i feel he gave me false hope. <img src="">i mean i had a feeling clomid wouldnt do me any good bc i know i ovulate. but at the same time he said we would try it and that i had no phsyical issues (other than mucus).

so... i guess thats it.

do i try robitusin, evening primrose, start the charting, timing all that or do i say ok this is it, i had my try ( for 7 +/- yrs).

ugh....
i just wanna cry. i feel that i tricked myself into believing something i knew wouldnt work anyways (clomid and iui) and it didnt help that those were the only things the doc said id likely need. <img src="">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

well. today is monday. i went to the docs.

he decided he wouldnt put me on clomid, feeling it wouldnt be any good to me- and just a waste of time. he said even if he did iui he wouldnt put me on clomid. and he suggested IVF but would try 2 rounds of IUI first, just to see if it worked or not. <img src="">. why is he saying this now when he said before i could use iui as a most definite choice. i havent had any tests between todays appt and the last time i saw him when he said wed try clomid.

he had no other options or opinions.. except to tell me that my right tube was blocked when he did the laprascope. Ive seen him 2 other times since the surgery and both times he told me it wasnt blocked but just slow... in his opinion it was a usable tube.

i feel he gave me false hope. <img src="">i mean i had a feeling clomid wouldnt do me any good bc i know i ovulate. but at the same time he said we would try it and that i had no phsyical issues (other than mucus).

so... i guess thats it.

do i try robitusin, evening primrose, start the charting, timing all that or do i say ok this is it, i had my try ( for 7 +/- yrs).

ugh....
i just wanna cry. i feel that i tricked myself into believing something i knew wouldnt work anyways (clomid and iui) and it didnt help that those were the only things the doc said id likely need. <img src="">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

well. today is monday. i went to the docs.

he decided he wouldnt put me on clomid, feeling it wouldnt be any good to me- and just a waste of time. he said even if he did iui he wouldnt put me on clomid. and he suggested IVF but would try 2 rounds of IUI first, just to see if it worked or not. <img src="">. why is he saying this now when he said before i could use iui as a most definite choice. i havent had any tests between todays appt and the last time i saw him when he said wed try clomid.

he had no other options or opinions.. except to tell me that my right tube was blocked when he did the laprascope. Ive seen him 2 other times since the surgery and both times he told me it wasnt blocked but just slow... in his opinion it was a usable tube.

i feel he gave me false hope. <img src="">i mean i had a feeling clomid wouldnt do me any good bc i know i ovulate. but at the same time he said we would try it and that i had no phsyical issues (other than mucus).

so... i guess thats it.

do i try robitusin, evening primrose, start the charting, timing all that or do i say ok this is it, i had my try ( for 7 +/- yrs).

ugh....
i just wanna cry. i feel that i tricked myself into believing something i knew wouldnt work anyways (clomid and iui) and it didnt help that those were the only things the doc said id likely need. <img src="">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

well. today is monday. i went to the docs.

he decided he wouldnt put me on clomid, feeling it wouldnt be any good to me- and just a waste of time. he said even if he did iui he wouldnt put me on clomid. and he suggested IVF but would try 2 rounds of IUI first, just to see if it worked or not. <img src="">. why is he saying this now when he said before i could use iui as a most definite choice. i havent had any tests between todays appt and the last time i saw him when he said wed try clomid.

he had no other options or opinions.. except to tell me that my right tube was blocked when he did the laprascope. Ive seen him 2 other times since the surgery and both times he told me it wasnt blocked but just slow... in his opinion it was a usable tube.

i feel he gave me false hope. <img src="">i mean i had a feeling clomid wouldnt do me any good bc i know i ovulate. but at the same time he said we would try it and that i had no phsyical issues (other than mucus).

so... i guess thats it.

do i try robitusin, evening primrose, start the charting, timing all that or do i say ok this is it, i had my try ( for 7 +/- yrs).

ugh....
i just wanna cry. i feel that i tricked myself into believing something i knew wouldnt work anyways (clomid and iui) and it didnt help that those were the only things the doc said id likely need. <img src="">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

well. today is monday. i went to the docs.
 
 he decided he wouldnt put me on clomid, feeling it wouldnt be any good to me- and just a waste of time. he said even if he did iui he wouldnt put me on clomid. and he suggested IVF but would try 2 rounds of IUI first, just to see if it worked or not. <img src="">. why is he saying this now when he said before i could use iui as a most definite choice. i havent had any tests between todays appt and the last time i saw him when he said wed try clomid.
 
 he had no other options or opinions.. except to tell me that my right tube was blocked when he did the laprascope. Ive seen him 2 other times since the surgery and both times he told me it wasnt blocked but just slow... in his opinion it was a usable tube.
 
 i feel he gave me false hope. <img src="">i mean i had a feeling clomid wouldnt do me any good bc i know i ovulate. but at the same time he said we would try it and that i had no phsyical issues (other than mucus).
 
 so... i guess thats it.
 
 do i try robitusin, evening primrose, start the charting, timing all that or do i say ok this is it, i had my try ( for 7 +/- yrs).
 
 ugh....
 i just wanna cry. i feel that i tricked myself into believing something i knew wouldnt work anyways (clomid and iui) and it didnt help that those were the only things the doc said id likely need. <img src="">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Hi Lolita, <img src="i/expressions/moon.gif" border="0">

(((HUGS+MORE HUGS))). Wipe the tears with a warm cloth from your bloodshot eyes and blow your stuffed up nose. Grab some Advil or Excedrin for the pounding headache and heartache. Right now, you feel hurt, numb, angry, and betrayed and don't know which way to turn - where to find comfort - who will help you find it. I know exactly where you are, and what you are going through. That feeling of hopelessness was a phase that I too recently overcame. I also know how badly you are searching for words of encouragement and embraces. I couldn't get enough at that time. I hear you crying out loud and clear, and I'm here for you.

Let me enlighten you with my story...

I stopped all forms of birth control June 19, 2005, my first wedding anniversary. Within 2 months, I had normal cycles of about 30 days. I thought that it shouldn't take long at all for me to conceive and decided to 'let nature take its course'. We didn't use anything only BD around mid-cycle for about 9 months. Nothing happened...

My CF flared up after that, and my hubby and I stopped TTC for about 4-5 months. I didn't want to conceive while sick and expose my baby to all the harsh drugs. Also, we had a trip to Uruguay, South America immediately following the IVs so TTC was just not in my mind at that time.

Upon returning, we again TTC for another 9 months. At this time, I was desperate to conceive. I had a huge sense of urgency. I felt like I had just lost a year and was tired of 'the waiting game'. I tried everything and anything during that time. You name it, I tried it. Still nothing happened...

So May 2007, I setup an appointment with a fertility clinic to find out what was the problem. This was basically what I was told...

The doctor slowly lowered the reading glasses from his face and the pure expression of pity showed right through. At that second, I gripped the seat for which I was sitting on preparing for the worst as usual.

He proceeded, "Well, you DO have some degree of PCOS. Your left ovary is poly-cystic and had too many immature follicles. Also, you had a slightly HIGH degree of testoserone, inconsistent levels of cholesterol, failed 2-hour glucose tolerance test despite the NORMAL A1C, and other blood work ABNORMAL levels consistent with PCOS findings. When you are ovulating from the left ovary, the egg is either turning into a cyst or not making it to the tube. Your right tube, on the other hand, isn't picking up any of the eggs that are being released suggesting that scar tissue IS preventing it from even making it to the tube. It's getting 'lost'. This is a result of the burst appendix and later colon resection that you had 12 years ago! The right side is MOST LIKELY unable to ever be capable of 'normal function'. The real question is how damaged is the left ovary with scar tissue? We can't do a lap on you because if we so much as puncture the colon during testing, you would likely wake up with a bag for the rest of your life! At best your chances of success with a medicated cycle of IUI are maybe 3%. I would want to see the actual films from your tube test in August before I'd agree to anything. I know the report said that they were clear, but I want to examine them with my own eyes. If I saw ANYTHING that I didn't like, I won't even perform IUI at all because your chances would be 0%!!! I won't lie to you or take your money. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't do more than 3 cycles because the odds are NOT in your favor. You would have to have 3 full cycles of lots of meds. THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE CERVICAL MUCUS! THE CF ISN'T THE MAIN COPRIT HERE. IT IS THE SURGERIES FROM 12 YEARS AGO, THE BURST APPENDIX AND COLON RESECTION DUE TO THE BURST APPENDIX. NOTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT!!!"

"Futhermore, I WILL NOT even draw bloodwork or examine you today. There is too much to be done before we even get to that. FIRSTLY, I need to see your films from August. SECOND, you need to see an endcrinologist about your glucose test and bloodwork. They need to put you on Metaforin, Glucophage, to help with your sugar levels. That will also prevent your post breakfast blood sugar drops. Sometimes you even drop to 60 which could cause birth defects to an unborn infant. PCOS and type 2 diabetes go hand-in-hand, and Glucophage helps both of the problems. It is the ONLY pill that helps both situations. You need a couple months of monitoring to make sure that things balance out."

THIRD, I would want to speak with the other 2 doctors here about you. You are VERY COMPLEX. I have done IUI and IVF on other CF patients, but your case is surely 'different'. CF isn't the problem at all, and I don't want to do anything without having the backing with the other 2 doctors."

" I am so sorry to tell you all this!!!"

At that point, the tears streamed down my face. There was next to nothing I could do. None of this is/was my fault. How would you feel? I feel great and never would have expected any of these problems...These surgeries happened 12 years ago!!! If only my burst appendix was caught before it burst and damaged my colon causing scar tissue...If only I never had a burst appendix...If only...

How do you accept this? Tears are filling my eyes right now as I'm typing this. How? Why? What did I do to deserve this???

IVF is an option with GOOD SUCCESS, but I don't have $12,000...Even still, should I? My scar tissue wouldn't be a problem, but I still have the whole sugar issue and require Clomid + Glucophage. 

I basically had 'selective listening' and continued TTC for another 5 months...

In January 2008, I setup another appointment with another fertility clinic for a second opinion. The outcome was the same...

After years of TTC, I'm at the point of 'acceptance'. Years of hope followed by let down changed me and who I was. I always enjoyed life. I always cherished every single second. TTC for such a long time was becoming a chore and brought on so many mood changes. My marriage WAS starting to feel the consquences. Pregnancy was becoming a 'sore subject' between us. Don't get me wrong...He was all for it, if it happened naturally. But the minute all the other diagnoses entered the picture, he was completely turned off. He figures to just 'forget the whole thing' now. For some, the mere act of conceiving is 'a piece of cake' yet for others it is a 'constant upward battle that sometimes wins'. I hate to admit defeat, but I need to be me, Jennifer. I lost focus of that. The everyday things that brought me joy were becoming blank memories without expression. I also cherished life in all forms. I was the girl who would put the baby bird back in its nest after its failed attempt at flying - or bring the pigeon in out of the cold and let it go later in the day after it warmed up. (I actually did that a few months ago. My husband thought he was seeing things. It was Halloween Day!) That is who I am, as honest, truthful, and helpful as possible. I always have been which led me to be a Medical Assistant for terminal cancer patients. Anyway...

I'm on Metformin now which should help the PCOS, but the chance of me conceiving is still slim to none, thanks to the scar tissue that I have. I have been thinking of using PreSeed mid-cycle, but that's it. Wait...I'm going to keep taking Vitex too, but that helps with PMS. I have wasted so much money over the years for nothing. No more charting, no more Mucinex, or anything else. I usually have a pretty good idea when my body is trying to ovulate because I get bloated and crampy out to kingdom come for 3-4 days mid-cycle. It's time for me to LIVE again!!! I haven't tried that approach in quite awhile!!!

I really wish you only the BEST with whatever you decide. The most important thing is that you come at PEACE with yourself. Losing the sense of who you are is the most DANGEROUS area to tred water in. Please contact me whenever you feel you need someone to talk to. I'll be there for you!!! Right now, it's off to breakfast and exercise...<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Hi Lolita, <img src="i/expressions/moon.gif" border="0">

(((HUGS+MORE HUGS))). Wipe the tears with a warm cloth from your bloodshot eyes and blow your stuffed up nose. Grab some Advil or Excedrin for the pounding headache and heartache. Right now, you feel hurt, numb, angry, and betrayed and don't know which way to turn - where to find comfort - who will help you find it. I know exactly where you are, and what you are going through. That feeling of hopelessness was a phase that I too recently overcame. I also know how badly you are searching for words of encouragement and embraces. I couldn't get enough at that time. I hear you crying out loud and clear, and I'm here for you.

Let me enlighten you with my story...

I stopped all forms of birth control June 19, 2005, my first wedding anniversary. Within 2 months, I had normal cycles of about 30 days. I thought that it shouldn't take long at all for me to conceive and decided to 'let nature take its course'. We didn't use anything only BD around mid-cycle for about 9 months. Nothing happened...

My CF flared up after that, and my hubby and I stopped TTC for about 4-5 months. I didn't want to conceive while sick and expose my baby to all the harsh drugs. Also, we had a trip to Uruguay, South America immediately following the IVs so TTC was just not in my mind at that time.

Upon returning, we again TTC for another 9 months. At this time, I was desperate to conceive. I had a huge sense of urgency. I felt like I had just lost a year and was tired of 'the waiting game'. I tried everything and anything during that time. You name it, I tried it. Still nothing happened...

So May 2007, I setup an appointment with a fertility clinic to find out what was the problem. This was basically what I was told...

The doctor slowly lowered the reading glasses from his face and the pure expression of pity showed right through. At that second, I gripped the seat for which I was sitting on preparing for the worst as usual.

He proceeded, "Well, you DO have some degree of PCOS. Your left ovary is poly-cystic and had too many immature follicles. Also, you had a slightly HIGH degree of testoserone, inconsistent levels of cholesterol, failed 2-hour glucose tolerance test despite the NORMAL A1C, and other blood work ABNORMAL levels consistent with PCOS findings. When you are ovulating from the left ovary, the egg is either turning into a cyst or not making it to the tube. Your right tube, on the other hand, isn't picking up any of the eggs that are being released suggesting that scar tissue IS preventing it from even making it to the tube. It's getting 'lost'. This is a result of the burst appendix and later colon resection that you had 12 years ago! The right side is MOST LIKELY unable to ever be capable of 'normal function'. The real question is how damaged is the left ovary with scar tissue? We can't do a lap on you because if we so much as puncture the colon during testing, you would likely wake up with a bag for the rest of your life! At best your chances of success with a medicated cycle of IUI are maybe 3%. I would want to see the actual films from your tube test in August before I'd agree to anything. I know the report said that they were clear, but I want to examine them with my own eyes. If I saw ANYTHING that I didn't like, I won't even perform IUI at all because your chances would be 0%!!! I won't lie to you or take your money. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't do more than 3 cycles because the odds are NOT in your favor. You would have to have 3 full cycles of lots of meds. THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE CERVICAL MUCUS! THE CF ISN'T THE MAIN COPRIT HERE. IT IS THE SURGERIES FROM 12 YEARS AGO, THE BURST APPENDIX AND COLON RESECTION DUE TO THE BURST APPENDIX. NOTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT!!!"

"Futhermore, I WILL NOT even draw bloodwork or examine you today. There is too much to be done before we even get to that. FIRSTLY, I need to see your films from August. SECOND, you need to see an endcrinologist about your glucose test and bloodwork. They need to put you on Metaforin, Glucophage, to help with your sugar levels. That will also prevent your post breakfast blood sugar drops. Sometimes you even drop to 60 which could cause birth defects to an unborn infant. PCOS and type 2 diabetes go hand-in-hand, and Glucophage helps both of the problems. It is the ONLY pill that helps both situations. You need a couple months of monitoring to make sure that things balance out."

THIRD, I would want to speak with the other 2 doctors here about you. You are VERY COMPLEX. I have done IUI and IVF on other CF patients, but your case is surely 'different'. CF isn't the problem at all, and I don't want to do anything without having the backing with the other 2 doctors."

" I am so sorry to tell you all this!!!"

At that point, the tears streamed down my face. There was next to nothing I could do. None of this is/was my fault. How would you feel? I feel great and never would have expected any of these problems...These surgeries happened 12 years ago!!! If only my burst appendix was caught before it burst and damaged my colon causing scar tissue...If only I never had a burst appendix...If only...

How do you accept this? Tears are filling my eyes right now as I'm typing this. How? Why? What did I do to deserve this???

IVF is an option with GOOD SUCCESS, but I don't have $12,000...Even still, should I? My scar tissue wouldn't be a problem, but I still have the whole sugar issue and require Clomid + Glucophage. 

I basically had 'selective listening' and continued TTC for another 5 months...

In January 2008, I setup another appointment with another fertility clinic for a second opinion. The outcome was the same...

After years of TTC, I'm at the point of 'acceptance'. Years of hope followed by let down changed me and who I was. I always enjoyed life. I always cherished every single second. TTC for such a long time was becoming a chore and brought on so many mood changes. My marriage WAS starting to feel the consquences. Pregnancy was becoming a 'sore subject' between us. Don't get me wrong...He was all for it, if it happened naturally. But the minute all the other diagnoses entered the picture, he was completely turned off. He figures to just 'forget the whole thing' now. For some, the mere act of conceiving is 'a piece of cake' yet for others it is a 'constant upward battle that sometimes wins'. I hate to admit defeat, but I need to be me, Jennifer. I lost focus of that. The everyday things that brought me joy were becoming blank memories without expression. I also cherished life in all forms. I was the girl who would put the baby bird back in its nest after its failed attempt at flying - or bring the pigeon in out of the cold and let it go later in the day after it warmed up. (I actually did that a few months ago. My husband thought he was seeing things. It was Halloween Day!) That is who I am, as honest, truthful, and helpful as possible. I always have been which led me to be a Medical Assistant for terminal cancer patients. Anyway...

I'm on Metformin now which should help the PCOS, but the chance of me conceiving is still slim to none, thanks to the scar tissue that I have. I have been thinking of using PreSeed mid-cycle, but that's it. Wait...I'm going to keep taking Vitex too, but that helps with PMS. I have wasted so much money over the years for nothing. No more charting, no more Mucinex, or anything else. I usually have a pretty good idea when my body is trying to ovulate because I get bloated and crampy out to kingdom come for 3-4 days mid-cycle. It's time for me to LIVE again!!! I haven't tried that approach in quite awhile!!!

I really wish you only the BEST with whatever you decide. The most important thing is that you come at PEACE with yourself. Losing the sense of who you are is the most DANGEROUS area to tred water in. Please contact me whenever you feel you need someone to talk to. I'll be there for you!!! Right now, it's off to breakfast and exercise...<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Hi Lolita, <img src="i/expressions/moon.gif" border="0">

(((HUGS+MORE HUGS))). Wipe the tears with a warm cloth from your bloodshot eyes and blow your stuffed up nose. Grab some Advil or Excedrin for the pounding headache and heartache. Right now, you feel hurt, numb, angry, and betrayed and don't know which way to turn - where to find comfort - who will help you find it. I know exactly where you are, and what you are going through. That feeling of hopelessness was a phase that I too recently overcame. I also know how badly you are searching for words of encouragement and embraces. I couldn't get enough at that time. I hear you crying out loud and clear, and I'm here for you.

Let me enlighten you with my story...

I stopped all forms of birth control June 19, 2005, my first wedding anniversary. Within 2 months, I had normal cycles of about 30 days. I thought that it shouldn't take long at all for me to conceive and decided to 'let nature take its course'. We didn't use anything only BD around mid-cycle for about 9 months. Nothing happened...

My CF flared up after that, and my hubby and I stopped TTC for about 4-5 months. I didn't want to conceive while sick and expose my baby to all the harsh drugs. Also, we had a trip to Uruguay, South America immediately following the IVs so TTC was just not in my mind at that time.

Upon returning, we again TTC for another 9 months. At this time, I was desperate to conceive. I had a huge sense of urgency. I felt like I had just lost a year and was tired of 'the waiting game'. I tried everything and anything during that time. You name it, I tried it. Still nothing happened...

So May 2007, I setup an appointment with a fertility clinic to find out what was the problem. This was basically what I was told...

The doctor slowly lowered the reading glasses from his face and the pure expression of pity showed right through. At that second, I gripped the seat for which I was sitting on preparing for the worst as usual.

He proceeded, "Well, you DO have some degree of PCOS. Your left ovary is poly-cystic and had too many immature follicles. Also, you had a slightly HIGH degree of testoserone, inconsistent levels of cholesterol, failed 2-hour glucose tolerance test despite the NORMAL A1C, and other blood work ABNORMAL levels consistent with PCOS findings. When you are ovulating from the left ovary, the egg is either turning into a cyst or not making it to the tube. Your right tube, on the other hand, isn't picking up any of the eggs that are being released suggesting that scar tissue IS preventing it from even making it to the tube. It's getting 'lost'. This is a result of the burst appendix and later colon resection that you had 12 years ago! The right side is MOST LIKELY unable to ever be capable of 'normal function'. The real question is how damaged is the left ovary with scar tissue? We can't do a lap on you because if we so much as puncture the colon during testing, you would likely wake up with a bag for the rest of your life! At best your chances of success with a medicated cycle of IUI are maybe 3%. I would want to see the actual films from your tube test in August before I'd agree to anything. I know the report said that they were clear, but I want to examine them with my own eyes. If I saw ANYTHING that I didn't like, I won't even perform IUI at all because your chances would be 0%!!! I won't lie to you or take your money. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't do more than 3 cycles because the odds are NOT in your favor. You would have to have 3 full cycles of lots of meds. THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE CERVICAL MUCUS! THE CF ISN'T THE MAIN COPRIT HERE. IT IS THE SURGERIES FROM 12 YEARS AGO, THE BURST APPENDIX AND COLON RESECTION DUE TO THE BURST APPENDIX. NOTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT!!!"

"Futhermore, I WILL NOT even draw bloodwork or examine you today. There is too much to be done before we even get to that. FIRSTLY, I need to see your films from August. SECOND, you need to see an endcrinologist about your glucose test and bloodwork. They need to put you on Metaforin, Glucophage, to help with your sugar levels. That will also prevent your post breakfast blood sugar drops. Sometimes you even drop to 60 which could cause birth defects to an unborn infant. PCOS and type 2 diabetes go hand-in-hand, and Glucophage helps both of the problems. It is the ONLY pill that helps both situations. You need a couple months of monitoring to make sure that things balance out."

THIRD, I would want to speak with the other 2 doctors here about you. You are VERY COMPLEX. I have done IUI and IVF on other CF patients, but your case is surely 'different'. CF isn't the problem at all, and I don't want to do anything without having the backing with the other 2 doctors."

" I am so sorry to tell you all this!!!"

At that point, the tears streamed down my face. There was next to nothing I could do. None of this is/was my fault. How would you feel? I feel great and never would have expected any of these problems...These surgeries happened 12 years ago!!! If only my burst appendix was caught before it burst and damaged my colon causing scar tissue...If only I never had a burst appendix...If only...

How do you accept this? Tears are filling my eyes right now as I'm typing this. How? Why? What did I do to deserve this???

IVF is an option with GOOD SUCCESS, but I don't have $12,000...Even still, should I? My scar tissue wouldn't be a problem, but I still have the whole sugar issue and require Clomid + Glucophage. 

I basically had 'selective listening' and continued TTC for another 5 months...

In January 2008, I setup another appointment with another fertility clinic for a second opinion. The outcome was the same...

After years of TTC, I'm at the point of 'acceptance'. Years of hope followed by let down changed me and who I was. I always enjoyed life. I always cherished every single second. TTC for such a long time was becoming a chore and brought on so many mood changes. My marriage WAS starting to feel the consquences. Pregnancy was becoming a 'sore subject' between us. Don't get me wrong...He was all for it, if it happened naturally. But the minute all the other diagnoses entered the picture, he was completely turned off. He figures to just 'forget the whole thing' now. For some, the mere act of conceiving is 'a piece of cake' yet for others it is a 'constant upward battle that sometimes wins'. I hate to admit defeat, but I need to be me, Jennifer. I lost focus of that. The everyday things that brought me joy were becoming blank memories without expression. I also cherished life in all forms. I was the girl who would put the baby bird back in its nest after its failed attempt at flying - or bring the pigeon in out of the cold and let it go later in the day after it warmed up. (I actually did that a few months ago. My husband thought he was seeing things. It was Halloween Day!) That is who I am, as honest, truthful, and helpful as possible. I always have been which led me to be a Medical Assistant for terminal cancer patients. Anyway...

I'm on Metformin now which should help the PCOS, but the chance of me conceiving is still slim to none, thanks to the scar tissue that I have. I have been thinking of using PreSeed mid-cycle, but that's it. Wait...I'm going to keep taking Vitex too, but that helps with PMS. I have wasted so much money over the years for nothing. No more charting, no more Mucinex, or anything else. I usually have a pretty good idea when my body is trying to ovulate because I get bloated and crampy out to kingdom come for 3-4 days mid-cycle. It's time for me to LIVE again!!! I haven't tried that approach in quite awhile!!!

I really wish you only the BEST with whatever you decide. The most important thing is that you come at PEACE with yourself. Losing the sense of who you are is the most DANGEROUS area to tred water in. Please contact me whenever you feel you need someone to talk to. I'll be there for you!!! Right now, it's off to breakfast and exercise...<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Hi Lolita, <img src="i/expressions/moon.gif" border="0">

(((HUGS+MORE HUGS))). Wipe the tears with a warm cloth from your bloodshot eyes and blow your stuffed up nose. Grab some Advil or Excedrin for the pounding headache and heartache. Right now, you feel hurt, numb, angry, and betrayed and don't know which way to turn - where to find comfort - who will help you find it. I know exactly where you are, and what you are going through. That feeling of hopelessness was a phase that I too recently overcame. I also know how badly you are searching for words of encouragement and embraces. I couldn't get enough at that time. I hear you crying out loud and clear, and I'm here for you.

Let me enlighten you with my story...

I stopped all forms of birth control June 19, 2005, my first wedding anniversary. Within 2 months, I had normal cycles of about 30 days. I thought that it shouldn't take long at all for me to conceive and decided to 'let nature take its course'. We didn't use anything only BD around mid-cycle for about 9 months. Nothing happened...

My CF flared up after that, and my hubby and I stopped TTC for about 4-5 months. I didn't want to conceive while sick and expose my baby to all the harsh drugs. Also, we had a trip to Uruguay, South America immediately following the IVs so TTC was just not in my mind at that time.

Upon returning, we again TTC for another 9 months. At this time, I was desperate to conceive. I had a huge sense of urgency. I felt like I had just lost a year and was tired of 'the waiting game'. I tried everything and anything during that time. You name it, I tried it. Still nothing happened...

So May 2007, I setup an appointment with a fertility clinic to find out what was the problem. This was basically what I was told...

The doctor slowly lowered the reading glasses from his face and the pure expression of pity showed right through. At that second, I gripped the seat for which I was sitting on preparing for the worst as usual.

He proceeded, "Well, you DO have some degree of PCOS. Your left ovary is poly-cystic and had too many immature follicles. Also, you had a slightly HIGH degree of testoserone, inconsistent levels of cholesterol, failed 2-hour glucose tolerance test despite the NORMAL A1C, and other blood work ABNORMAL levels consistent with PCOS findings. When you are ovulating from the left ovary, the egg is either turning into a cyst or not making it to the tube. Your right tube, on the other hand, isn't picking up any of the eggs that are being released suggesting that scar tissue IS preventing it from even making it to the tube. It's getting 'lost'. This is a result of the burst appendix and later colon resection that you had 12 years ago! The right side is MOST LIKELY unable to ever be capable of 'normal function'. The real question is how damaged is the left ovary with scar tissue? We can't do a lap on you because if we so much as puncture the colon during testing, you would likely wake up with a bag for the rest of your life! At best your chances of success with a medicated cycle of IUI are maybe 3%. I would want to see the actual films from your tube test in August before I'd agree to anything. I know the report said that they were clear, but I want to examine them with my own eyes. If I saw ANYTHING that I didn't like, I won't even perform IUI at all because your chances would be 0%!!! I won't lie to you or take your money. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't do more than 3 cycles because the odds are NOT in your favor. You would have to have 3 full cycles of lots of meds. THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE CERVICAL MUCUS! THE CF ISN'T THE MAIN COPRIT HERE. IT IS THE SURGERIES FROM 12 YEARS AGO, THE BURST APPENDIX AND COLON RESECTION DUE TO THE BURST APPENDIX. NOTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT!!!"

"Futhermore, I WILL NOT even draw bloodwork or examine you today. There is too much to be done before we even get to that. FIRSTLY, I need to see your films from August. SECOND, you need to see an endcrinologist about your glucose test and bloodwork. They need to put you on Metaforin, Glucophage, to help with your sugar levels. That will also prevent your post breakfast blood sugar drops. Sometimes you even drop to 60 which could cause birth defects to an unborn infant. PCOS and type 2 diabetes go hand-in-hand, and Glucophage helps both of the problems. It is the ONLY pill that helps both situations. You need a couple months of monitoring to make sure that things balance out."

THIRD, I would want to speak with the other 2 doctors here about you. You are VERY COMPLEX. I have done IUI and IVF on other CF patients, but your case is surely 'different'. CF isn't the problem at all, and I don't want to do anything without having the backing with the other 2 doctors."

" I am so sorry to tell you all this!!!"

At that point, the tears streamed down my face. There was next to nothing I could do. None of this is/was my fault. How would you feel? I feel great and never would have expected any of these problems...These surgeries happened 12 years ago!!! If only my burst appendix was caught before it burst and damaged my colon causing scar tissue...If only I never had a burst appendix...If only...

How do you accept this? Tears are filling my eyes right now as I'm typing this. How? Why? What did I do to deserve this???

IVF is an option with GOOD SUCCESS, but I don't have $12,000...Even still, should I? My scar tissue wouldn't be a problem, but I still have the whole sugar issue and require Clomid + Glucophage. 

I basically had 'selective listening' and continued TTC for another 5 months...

In January 2008, I setup another appointment with another fertility clinic for a second opinion. The outcome was the same...

After years of TTC, I'm at the point of 'acceptance'. Years of hope followed by let down changed me and who I was. I always enjoyed life. I always cherished every single second. TTC for such a long time was becoming a chore and brought on so many mood changes. My marriage WAS starting to feel the consquences. Pregnancy was becoming a 'sore subject' between us. Don't get me wrong...He was all for it, if it happened naturally. But the minute all the other diagnoses entered the picture, he was completely turned off. He figures to just 'forget the whole thing' now. For some, the mere act of conceiving is 'a piece of cake' yet for others it is a 'constant upward battle that sometimes wins'. I hate to admit defeat, but I need to be me, Jennifer. I lost focus of that. The everyday things that brought me joy were becoming blank memories without expression. I also cherished life in all forms. I was the girl who would put the baby bird back in its nest after its failed attempt at flying - or bring the pigeon in out of the cold and let it go later in the day after it warmed up. (I actually did that a few months ago. My husband thought he was seeing things. It was Halloween Day!) That is who I am, as honest, truthful, and helpful as possible. I always have been which led me to be a Medical Assistant for terminal cancer patients. Anyway...

I'm on Metformin now which should help the PCOS, but the chance of me conceiving is still slim to none, thanks to the scar tissue that I have. I have been thinking of using PreSeed mid-cycle, but that's it. Wait...I'm going to keep taking Vitex too, but that helps with PMS. I have wasted so much money over the years for nothing. No more charting, no more Mucinex, or anything else. I usually have a pretty good idea when my body is trying to ovulate because I get bloated and crampy out to kingdom come for 3-4 days mid-cycle. It's time for me to LIVE again!!! I haven't tried that approach in quite awhile!!!

I really wish you only the BEST with whatever you decide. The most important thing is that you come at PEACE with yourself. Losing the sense of who you are is the most DANGEROUS area to tred water in. Please contact me whenever you feel you need someone to talk to. I'll be there for you!!! Right now, it's off to breakfast and exercise...<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Hi Lolita, <img src="i/expressions/moon.gif" border="0">
 
 (((HUGS+MORE HUGS))). Wipe the tears with a warm cloth from your bloodshot eyes and blow your stuffed up nose. Grab some Advil or Excedrin for the pounding headache and heartache. Right now, you feel hurt, numb, angry, and betrayed and don't know which way to turn - where to find comfort - who will help you find it. I know exactly where you are, and what you are going through. That feeling of hopelessness was a phase that I too recently overcame. I also know how badly you are searching for words of encouragement and embraces. I couldn't get enough at that time. I hear you crying out loud and clear, and I'm here for you.
 
 Let me enlighten you with my story...
 
 I stopped all forms of birth control June 19, 2005, my first wedding anniversary. Within 2 months, I had normal cycles of about 30 days. I thought that it shouldn't take long at all for me to conceive and decided to 'let nature take its course'. We didn't use anything only BD around mid-cycle for about 9 months. Nothing happened...
 
 My CF flared up after that, and my hubby and I stopped TTC for about 4-5 months. I didn't want to conceive while sick and expose my baby to all the harsh drugs. Also, we had a trip to Uruguay, South America immediately following the IVs so TTC was just not in my mind at that time.
 
 Upon returning, we again TTC for another 9 months. At this time, I was desperate to conceive. I had a huge sense of urgency. I felt like I had just lost a year and was tired of 'the waiting game'. I tried everything and anything during that time. You name it, I tried it. Still nothing happened...
 
 So May 2007, I setup an appointment with a fertility clinic to find out what was the problem. This was basically what I was told...
 
 The doctor slowly lowered the reading glasses from his face and the pure expression of pity showed right through. At that second, I gripped the seat for which I was sitting on preparing for the worst as usual.
 
 He proceeded, "Well, you DO have some degree of PCOS. Your left ovary is poly-cystic and had too many immature follicles. Also, you had a slightly HIGH degree of testoserone, inconsistent levels of cholesterol, failed 2-hour glucose tolerance test despite the NORMAL A1C, and other blood work ABNORMAL levels consistent with PCOS findings. When you are ovulating from the left ovary, the egg is either turning into a cyst or not making it to the tube. Your right tube, on the other hand, isn't picking up any of the eggs that are being released suggesting that scar tissue IS preventing it from even making it to the tube. It's getting 'lost'. This is a result of the burst appendix and later colon resection that you had 12 years ago! The right side is MOST LIKELY unable to ever be capable of 'normal function'. The real question is how damaged is the left ovary with scar tissue? We can't do a lap on you because if we so much as puncture the colon during testing, you would likely wake up with a bag for the rest of your life! At best your chances of success with a medicated cycle of IUI are maybe 3%. I would want to see the actual films from your tube test in August before I'd agree to anything. I know the report said that they were clear, but I want to examine them with my own eyes. If I saw ANYTHING that I didn't like, I won't even perform IUI at all because your chances would be 0%!!! I won't lie to you or take your money. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't do more than 3 cycles because the odds are NOT in your favor. You would have to have 3 full cycles of lots of meds. THE LEAST OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THE CERVICAL MUCUS! THE CF ISN'T THE MAIN COPRIT HERE. IT IS THE SURGERIES FROM 12 YEARS AGO, THE BURST APPENDIX AND COLON RESECTION DUE TO THE BURST APPENDIX. NOTHING THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING ABOUT!!!"
 
 "Futhermore, I WILL NOT even draw bloodwork or examine you today. There is too much to be done before we even get to that. FIRSTLY, I need to see your films from August. SECOND, you need to see an endcrinologist about your glucose test and bloodwork. They need to put you on Metaforin, Glucophage, to help with your sugar levels. That will also prevent your post breakfast blood sugar drops. Sometimes you even drop to 60 which could cause birth defects to an unborn infant. PCOS and type 2 diabetes go hand-in-hand, and Glucophage helps both of the problems. It is the ONLY pill that helps both situations. You need a couple months of monitoring to make sure that things balance out."
 
 THIRD, I would want to speak with the other 2 doctors here about you. You are VERY COMPLEX. I have done IUI and IVF on other CF patients, but your case is surely 'different'. CF isn't the problem at all, and I don't want to do anything without having the backing with the other 2 doctors."
 
 " I am so sorry to tell you all this!!!"
 
 At that point, the tears streamed down my face. There was next to nothing I could do. None of this is/was my fault. How would you feel? I feel great and never would have expected any of these problems...These surgeries happened 12 years ago!!! If only my burst appendix was caught before it burst and damaged my colon causing scar tissue...If only I never had a burst appendix...If only...
 
 How do you accept this? Tears are filling my eyes right now as I'm typing this. How? Why? What did I do to deserve this???
 
 IVF is an option with GOOD SUCCESS, but I don't have $12,000...Even still, should I? My scar tissue wouldn't be a problem, but I still have the whole sugar issue and require Clomid + Glucophage. 
 
 I basically had 'selective listening' and continued TTC for another 5 months...
 
 In January 2008, I setup another appointment with another fertility clinic for a second opinion. The outcome was the same...
 
 After years of TTC, I'm at the point of 'acceptance'. Years of hope followed by let down changed me and who I was. I always enjoyed life. I always cherished every single second. TTC for such a long time was becoming a chore and brought on so many mood changes. My marriage WAS starting to feel the consquences. Pregnancy was becoming a 'sore subject' between us. Don't get me wrong...He was all for it, if it happened naturally. But the minute all the other diagnoses entered the picture, he was completely turned off. He figures to just 'forget the whole thing' now. For some, the mere act of conceiving is 'a piece of cake' yet for others it is a 'constant upward battle that sometimes wins'. I hate to admit defeat, but I need to be me, Jennifer. I lost focus of that. The everyday things that brought me joy were becoming blank memories without expression. I also cherished life in all forms. I was the girl who would put the baby bird back in its nest after its failed attempt at flying - or bring the pigeon in out of the cold and let it go later in the day after it warmed up. (I actually did that a few months ago. My husband thought he was seeing things. It was Halloween Day!) That is who I am, as honest, truthful, and helpful as possible. I always have been which led me to be a Medical Assistant for terminal cancer patients. Anyway...
 
 I'm on Metformin now which should help the PCOS, but the chance of me conceiving is still slim to none, thanks to the scar tissue that I have. I have been thinking of using PreSeed mid-cycle, but that's it. Wait...I'm going to keep taking Vitex too, but that helps with PMS. I have wasted so much money over the years for nothing. No more charting, no more Mucinex, or anything else. I usually have a pretty good idea when my body is trying to ovulate because I get bloated and crampy out to kingdom come for 3-4 days mid-cycle. It's time for me to LIVE again!!! I haven't tried that approach in quite awhile!!!
 
 I really wish you only the BEST with whatever you decide. The most important thing is that you come at PEACE with yourself. Losing the sense of who you are is the most DANGEROUS area to tred water in. Please contact me whenever you feel you need someone to talk to. I'll be there for you!!! Right now, it's off to breakfast and exercise...<img src="i/expressions/heart.gif" border="0">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

Jenny - thanks for writing to me.
I have read your story before ( i think it was here) and i just didnt know what to say <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">
You seem to have a wonderful husband and a loving relationship . you are lucky!
it is horrible what has happened to you. No one really tells us about infertility when we're younger do they- like no one told you your appendix would cause scarring....

I think that whatever happens to us daily changes our lives and the way we see things.
Yesterday i wasnt so mad at myself or whatever, i was mad that the doctor gave me false hope not even 3 weeks ago.

My partner doesnt believe in IUI or IVF either- he feels that if we are meant to be pregnant we will. If we arent suppose to be pregnant and the pregnancy ruins my body then he will feel guilty.

I know i can get over this, it was just all new yesterday and heart breaking. I was ready to go to the docs say ok. how much is clomid gonna cost, so i can go buy it , and then he tells me the minute i get there yeah im not even gonna try it.

It was almost like a car salesman. You go to the dealership with one car in mind your all set, theres a great deal, but the salesman says yeah im not even going to show you it , but heres our cadillac version. its the only one ill sell you today.

go save the birds and the animals <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> They need us. I love animals, and thats how i ended up with a 3 week old kitten 2 yrs ago. It was amazing raising her from 3 weeks old, when she couldnt walk or see, or eat by herself. every day she would learn something new.

but anyways im rambling now.
I hope you have a good day. Do something fun for yourself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

Jenny - thanks for writing to me.
I have read your story before ( i think it was here) and i just didnt know what to say <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">
You seem to have a wonderful husband and a loving relationship . you are lucky!
it is horrible what has happened to you. No one really tells us about infertility when we're younger do they- like no one told you your appendix would cause scarring....

I think that whatever happens to us daily changes our lives and the way we see things.
Yesterday i wasnt so mad at myself or whatever, i was mad that the doctor gave me false hope not even 3 weeks ago.

My partner doesnt believe in IUI or IVF either- he feels that if we are meant to be pregnant we will. If we arent suppose to be pregnant and the pregnancy ruins my body then he will feel guilty.

I know i can get over this, it was just all new yesterday and heart breaking. I was ready to go to the docs say ok. how much is clomid gonna cost, so i can go buy it , and then he tells me the minute i get there yeah im not even gonna try it.

It was almost like a car salesman. You go to the dealership with one car in mind your all set, theres a great deal, but the salesman says yeah im not even going to show you it , but heres our cadillac version. its the only one ill sell you today.

go save the birds and the animals <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> They need us. I love animals, and thats how i ended up with a 3 week old kitten 2 yrs ago. It was amazing raising her from 3 weeks old, when she couldnt walk or see, or eat by herself. every day she would learn something new.

but anyways im rambling now.
I hope you have a good day. Do something fun for yourself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

Jenny - thanks for writing to me.
I have read your story before ( i think it was here) and i just didnt know what to say <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">
You seem to have a wonderful husband and a loving relationship . you are lucky!
it is horrible what has happened to you. No one really tells us about infertility when we're younger do they- like no one told you your appendix would cause scarring....

I think that whatever happens to us daily changes our lives and the way we see things.
Yesterday i wasnt so mad at myself or whatever, i was mad that the doctor gave me false hope not even 3 weeks ago.

My partner doesnt believe in IUI or IVF either- he feels that if we are meant to be pregnant we will. If we arent suppose to be pregnant and the pregnancy ruins my body then he will feel guilty.

I know i can get over this, it was just all new yesterday and heart breaking. I was ready to go to the docs say ok. how much is clomid gonna cost, so i can go buy it , and then he tells me the minute i get there yeah im not even gonna try it.

It was almost like a car salesman. You go to the dealership with one car in mind your all set, theres a great deal, but the salesman says yeah im not even going to show you it , but heres our cadillac version. its the only one ill sell you today.

go save the birds and the animals <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> They need us. I love animals, and thats how i ended up with a 3 week old kitten 2 yrs ago. It was amazing raising her from 3 weeks old, when she couldnt walk or see, or eat by herself. every day she would learn something new.

but anyways im rambling now.
I hope you have a good day. Do something fun for yourself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

Jenny - thanks for writing to me.
I have read your story before ( i think it was here) and i just didnt know what to say <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">
You seem to have a wonderful husband and a loving relationship . you are lucky!
it is horrible what has happened to you. No one really tells us about infertility when we're younger do they- like no one told you your appendix would cause scarring....

I think that whatever happens to us daily changes our lives and the way we see things.
Yesterday i wasnt so mad at myself or whatever, i was mad that the doctor gave me false hope not even 3 weeks ago.

My partner doesnt believe in IUI or IVF either- he feels that if we are meant to be pregnant we will. If we arent suppose to be pregnant and the pregnancy ruins my body then he will feel guilty.

I know i can get over this, it was just all new yesterday and heart breaking. I was ready to go to the docs say ok. how much is clomid gonna cost, so i can go buy it , and then he tells me the minute i get there yeah im not even gonna try it.

It was almost like a car salesman. You go to the dealership with one car in mind your all set, theres a great deal, but the salesman says yeah im not even going to show you it , but heres our cadillac version. its the only one ill sell you today.

go save the birds and the animals <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> They need us. I love animals, and thats how i ended up with a 3 week old kitten 2 yrs ago. It was amazing raising her from 3 weeks old, when she couldnt walk or see, or eat by herself. every day she would learn something new.

but anyways im rambling now.
I hope you have a good day. Do something fun for yourself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

lolita · Mar 11, 2008

Jenny - thanks for writing to me.
 I have read your story before ( i think it was here) and i just didnt know what to say <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif" border="0">
 You seem to have a wonderful husband and a loving relationship . you are lucky!
 it is horrible what has happened to you. No one really tells us about infertility when we're younger do they- like no one told you your appendix would cause scarring....
 
 I think that whatever happens to us daily changes our lives and the way we see things.
 Yesterday i wasnt so mad at myself or whatever, i was mad that the doctor gave me false hope not even 3 weeks ago.
 
 My partner doesnt believe in IUI or IVF either- he feels that if we are meant to be pregnant we will. If we arent suppose to be pregnant and the pregnancy ruins my body then he will feel guilty.
 
 I know i can get over this, it was just all new yesterday and heart breaking. I was ready to go to the docs say ok. how much is clomid gonna cost, so i can go buy it , and then he tells me the minute i get there yeah im not even gonna try it.
 
 It was almost like a car salesman. You go to the dealership with one car in mind your all set, theres a great deal, but the salesman says yeah im not even going to show you it , but heres our cadillac version. its the only one ill sell you today.
 
 
 go save the birds and the animals <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0"> They need us. I love animals, and thats how i ended up with a 3 week old kitten 2 yrs ago. It was amazing raising her from 3 weeks old, when she couldnt walk or see, or eat by herself. every day she would learn something new.
 
 but anyways im rambling now.
 I hope you have a good day. Do something fun for yourself <img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Lolita,

My husband's beliefs in the baby department are identical to your husband's. In Uruguay, you are lucky if you can afford food yet alone IUI. IUI doesn't even exist unless you are extremely wealthy.

His Mom waited 10 years for him and 7 years for his brother. So yes, I am up against a cultural barrier too. Its just not worth arguing about.

But yes, I do think that REs in general paint false hopes. In my opinion, it's like the 'legal black baby business' whether it is by adoption, IVF, or surrogacy. It's sad...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Lolita,

My husband's beliefs in the baby department are identical to your husband's. In Uruguay, you are lucky if you can afford food yet alone IUI. IUI doesn't even exist unless you are extremely wealthy.

His Mom waited 10 years for him and 7 years for his brother. So yes, I am up against a cultural barrier too. Its just not worth arguing about.

But yes, I do think that REs in general paint false hopes. In my opinion, it's like the 'legal black baby business' whether it is by adoption, IVF, or surrogacy. It's sad...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Lolita,

My husband's beliefs in the baby department are identical to your husband's. In Uruguay, you are lucky if you can afford food yet alone IUI. IUI doesn't even exist unless you are extremely wealthy.

His Mom waited 10 years for him and 7 years for his brother. So yes, I am up against a cultural barrier too. Its just not worth arguing about.

But yes, I do think that REs in general paint false hopes. In my opinion, it's like the 'legal black baby business' whether it is by adoption, IVF, or surrogacy. It's sad...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Lolita,

My husband's beliefs in the baby department are identical to your husband's. In Uruguay, you are lucky if you can afford food yet alone IUI. IUI doesn't even exist unless you are extremely wealthy.

His Mom waited 10 years for him and 7 years for his brother. So yes, I am up against a cultural barrier too. Its just not worth arguing about.

But yes, I do think that REs in general paint false hopes. In my opinion, it's like the 'legal black baby business' whether it is by adoption, IVF, or surrogacy. It's sad...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">

fondreflections · Mar 11, 2008

Lolita,
 
 My husband's beliefs in the baby department are identical to your husband's. In Uruguay, you are lucky if you can afford food yet alone IUI. IUI doesn't even exist unless you are extremely wealthy.
 
 His Mom waited 10 years for him and 7 years for his brother. So yes, I am up against a cultural barrier too. Its just not worth arguing about.
 
 But yes, I do think that REs in general paint false hopes. In my opinion, it's like the 'legal black baby business' whether it is by adoption, IVF, or surrogacy. It's sad...<img src="i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif" border="0">

went to the docs- guess its a no go.. wish doc would have told me this

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