Who owns the Cf Gene?

anonymous

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I've been trying to find out who specifically has the Patent on the Cf gene. It was officially discovered in 1994 but it's not clear which corporation(s) have the patent. I think that this is important information for Cf patients. This information must be available on some sort of public record?

The implications of corporations owning genes are huge for humanity as a whole.
 

anonymous

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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.public-i.org/genetics/report.aspx?aid=324">http://www.public-i.org/genetics/report.aspx?aid=324</a>
 
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SeasonsOfLove

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Thanks for posting the link to the article. I just skimmed it for now, but I have a question - is the article from 2000 or is it current?

If you know, thanks!
 

anonymous

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My question is, how can someone or some company "own" a gene? Aren't they all working for the same thing......PLEASE DON'T start a thread about the pharm companies that only want money...I DO NOT believe this....just answer the question that was asked, PLEASE> Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0">
 

anonymous

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How can someone or some company "own" a gene?

Easy... its called patents. Who gets patents on various genes? I would tell, but you don't want the answer.
 

anonymous

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<blockquote>Quote<br><hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Anonymous</b></i><br>My question is, how can someone or some company "own" a gene? Aren't they all working for the same thing......PLEASE DON'T start a thread about the pharm companies that only want money...I DO NOT believe this....just answer the question that was asked, PLEASE> Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!<img src="i/expressions/rose.gif" border="0"><hr></blockquote>


it's impossible to answer your question without speaking about profit driven drug companies. Please don't make ignorant comments. Corporations have patents over certain genes which prevent others from using them to further reaseach. By all means have your opinions, but don't make comments about drug companies not being driven by profits. The companies themselves will admit that they are out to make a profit first and foremost. How about you also read the article (see the link above).

I have a law degree specializing in Intellectual property law (patents etc) and you can be sure that what I say is based on fact not opinion.
 

seasprite

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<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/patents.shtml">http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/patents.shtml</a>

Try this link. It covers genetics and patenting and was updated much more recently (September 2004). The bottom line is, "In general, raw products of nature are not patentable. DNA products usually become patentable when they have been isolated, purified, or modified to produce a unique form not found in nature." That means that only the isolated form of the cf gene (CFTR) is theoretically patentable. Fortunately, CFTR was first identified and characterized in 1989, and one of the lead researchers in the isolation was Francis Collins, now head of the Human Genome Project at NIH and a strong advocate for keeping genetic information freely available to all researchers. So we should be fine with respect to work on gene therapy or other treatments designed to correct CFTR defects. That does not mean we should not be concerned about attempts to patent genes and gene fragments, since it is looking more and more like there are probably secondary genes that modify the impact of the CFTR mutations, explaining why two children with the same cf genes may have very different outcomes.

Patenting of genes and gene fragments remains a highly contentious issue and it is still not clear how much will be allowed. Perhaps this is something that we as a cf community should be organizing to oppose.

I hope this helps.

Bambi
 

anonymous

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Pharmaceutical companies only do want money! Greedy @#$%s. What's the purpose of owning a gene if not to make money on it, or to prevent other from making money on it, such that a monopoly is maintained? The most powerful and the highest funded lobbyists in Washington DC are pharmaceutical companies. And where do you think they accumulate all that hush money? Us, the over paying consumer. That premium you pay on your Zyvox or Cipro or Pulmozyme, etc. goes to making sure that these drug companies can continue to milk the consumer.

Do you really think that the current (others no different) government administration is against stem cell research because it is incongruous with God's desires or religious beliefs? Show me a politician who truly has a strong faith and conviction, and I will show you a snowball in hell. They don't want cloned lungs for us, or any other cloned organ for the infirm. They don't want stem cells to cure cancer, or heart disease, otherwise if cancer was gone, think about all the drugs that go into supporting prevention, management, and recovery of this disease and others, and think about how donation and money wells and grants would disappear. All that money just stops when a disease is cured and gone. Those greedy bastards can't have that.

So you and I get to remain "Consumer #1" with our expensive disease.
 

WinAce

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I don't know about that, Anonymous. The Terri Schiavo fiasco demonstrated an almost brain-dead level of committment to her corpse's prolonging, regardless of overwhelming evidence AND public opinion being strongly against such meddling on the part of government. I don't see a reason for that unless people actually had some firm convictions.

Plus, in many ways, embryonic stem cells continue to be a pipe dream. They're not a <i>guaranteed</i> cure for anything, merely hold the potential for it with a LOT of additional research. There are other, equally promising lines of research (gene therapy, exotic designer drugs, etc.) that none of the RRR cronies are attacking. They're not working to ban government funding of <i>adult</i> stem cell research, either which is a very promising line of work itself, potentially as useful once some problems are overcome. And they haven't banned research on embryos <i>per se</i>, just government funding of it. Nope, as misguided as I see them, I really don't think they're <i>that</i> nefarious, and really do believe that experimenting on an IVF-produced extra zygote that's gonna be tossed away anyway is the moral equivalent to gunning down Grandma in the street.

Pharmaceutical companies (and almost anything related to healthcare, like HMOs) are about as sociopathic as tobacco companies, though. It's just the nature of the beast that reduces all human interactions (and lives) to how much they benefit shareholders. But self-interest would probably work against your scenario, too, as any company that stumbled onto a cure for cancer could put the others out of business, monopolize the market, and charge enough for it that it still made a hefty profit over what it did before. Under that scenario, they'd still get their money, only in a single fee of $1,000,000, up-front for a cure, rather than, say, ten-year installments of 100,000 for treatments...
 

Grendel

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WinAce,

Firm convicitons? She was a hockey puck with which the politicians used her to score conservative points for themselves, and the other side used her to oppose. If life and death were of such major consequence to the government, why aren't we in Africa saving millions of lives? There is no money in it. There is no political advancement to be made in it.

Wake up and smell the fowel odor of human depravity, greed and avarice.
 

anonymous

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Grendel,

I agree with you. However, you seem to be an enigma full of subtle, possibly irrelevant, contradictions.

You don't subscribe to the idea that men can overcome their wanton nature.
Yet your Signature suggests you have an elevated awareness and faith.

I don't put stock in our government or more particularly the politicians who run it, but like our mutation, there will be a "mutant" politician one day who will in part not succumb to the baser qualities of man and he/she (definitely not Senator Clinton!) will guide our rudder of change toward a better port for all.

You seem a bit too mad about all of this.

Best of luck with that.
 

WinAce

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<blockquote>Quote
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>Grendel</b></i>
WinAce,
Firm convicitons? She was a hockey puck with which the politicians used her to score conservative points for themselves, and the other side used her to oppose. <hr></blockquote>

While the whole incident was a circus, I don't see anything about it that would make me consider ulterior motives on the part of conservatives. For the most part, they took a hit in the opinion polls for taking such unprecedented measures to prolong her life, after all. Africa is a <i>very</i> poor comparison, as <b>(1)</b> a lot of racism and xenophobia would affect our opinion of the plight of their citizens, <b>(2)</b> no easy solutions exist because, in some ways, it's ruined beyond repair for the foreseeable future due to everything from crackpot dictators to AIDS, and <b>(3)</b> "out of sight, out of mind," as the saying goes.

In a nutshell, just because politicians can be hypocrites, or idiots--ignoring much better uses of their time to focus on anti-video game laws, for example--doesn't mean their motivations on those issues are necessarily suspect. They <i>can</i> be, but that's what independent argument is needed to establish.
 
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jacobus

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we, as the international cf community should be up in arms about this. there is no point in denying the negative effects of drug companies and their profit driven motivations. drug companies looking to make money doesn't make them evil, it just makes them corporations. that is the nature of the beast and it has a place in our society.

what we should be angry about is the fact that governments around the world continue to allow things like gene patenting. we should be angry that the research is farmed out to drug companies because governments claim not to have the money to sponsor it themselves from the good of their citizens, while at the same time pouring billions of dollars into a totally unnecessary war. the drug companies are just doing what they are designed to do, to make money. no one expects a corporation to act out ot altuism. the first step in doing something about this, is recognizing the problem.

i am personally in shock that there are cf patients out there who believe that drug companies are actually out there trying to help them. make no mistake about it, drug companies are the enemy. they are far more insidious than tobacco companies. while it is true that we are reliant on them at the moment in as much as the drugs that they produce are keeping us alive, it is also tru that they are killing as at the same time.

just think about what treatments might be available for us if all the corporate and market considerations were removed? i have little doubt that organ cloning, for example, would be much closer to being a reality than it is today.

the first step in doing something about this is EDUCATION. to all the people who have exporessed disbelief that the drug companies aren't ultimately out to help us, open your eyes! at the very least go and do some research and find out for yourselves, i suspect it's the parents of cf children who are most against learning the truth because they don't want to believe it. i know how difficult this barrier can be to overcome, but you have to realize that you're not helping your children by remaining IGNORANT. it is IGNORANCE that is killiing us and allowing others to profit at our expense.
 
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jacobus

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'Anything Under the Sun'

Under current U.S. patent law, private companies, organizations, and individuals are allowed to patent, for 17-year terms, the rights to a specific human gene. This rule flows from a landmark case before the Supreme Court in 1980, Diamond vs. Chakrabarty. The court held that "anything under the sun that is made by the hand of man" (in that case, a genetically engineered bacterium) is patentable.

Of course, genes are not made by the hand of man, but in the eyes of the court and the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the key aspect that allows for the patenting of genes is the sequencing process, according to Steve Kunin, associate commissioner for patent policy. In an interview with The Public i, Kunin said that the sequencing process "takes something out of nature, isolates it and purifies it." In that new "isolated" and "purified" state, he said, the gene is no longer a completely natural material, but a product of man and, therefore, patentable.

To date, according to the patent office, 1,000 patents have been issued for human genes. The leading company in the patenting of genes, including plant and nonhuman genes, is Incyte, which had patented 315 different genes through 1999. Human Genome Sciences ranks 11th, according to the patent office, with 90 patents on various genes, although a company fact sheet notes that Human Genome Sciences has filed for more than 7,500 patents on human genes.

Celera, a much younger company, has many patent applications pending, and it typically takes from 24 to 30 months for final approval, according to Kunin. Celera spokeswoman Heather Kowalski told The Public i that Celera's business plan is not focused solely on patenting human genes. She says the company plans to file from 100 to 300 applications for gene patents, and only for those that are "medically relevant genes that will lead to improved therapies." Celera filed its first batch of gene patent applications with the patent office several weeks ago, she says.

There is remarkable unanimity in the patent law community on the issue of human gene patenting, with little dissent raised on either legal or ethical grounds. If such criticism ever arose, however, companies such as Celera, Incyte and Human Genome Sciences would be prepared.

For instance, the team assigned to Human Genome Sciences at Akin, Gump includes Thaddeus Burns, the former U.S. intellectual property attach to the World Trade Organization. Before coming to Akin, Gump, Burns was the principal legal adviser on intellectual property to both the Geneva office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the U.S. Mission to the United Nations. Before those stints, he was an associate solicitor at the patent office.

Daniel Spiegel, one of Burns' colleagues also assigned to the Human Genome Sciences account, once served as the U.S. envoy to the World Intellectual Property Organization. Spiegel told The Public i that the primary issue concerning Human Genome Sciences is U.S. patent policy on human genes, though he acknowledged that for the foreseeable future there seems to be no threat to that policy being changed. Human Genome Sciences' hiring of Akin, Gump was more of a move to hedge against future regulation, he said.

Steven Hart, president of Williams & Jensen and a registered lobbyist for Celera, is a major player in the Republican Party and helped raise money for both George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain of Arizona this election cycle. His firm routinely holds fund raisers for politicians at a firm-owned townhouse on Capitol Hill, including events for the Republican leadership in both the House and Senate. Washingtonian magazine ranked Hart the 14th most powerful lobbyist in Washington in 1999.

Incyte, for its part, acknowledges that it lags behind other genetics companies in its Capitol Hill operation. "We certainly need to focus more on government relations," says General Counsel Bendekgey. He did mention that the New Democrat Network, a centrist-leaning Democratic Party caucus, stopped by Incyte's California offices in June for a policy discussion.

So far, the criticism aimed at human gene patenting has come from scientists and researchers, who say that having to pay royalties to private companies for genetic information will slow the pace of medical research. The board of directors of the Council for Responsible Genetics, a nonprofit association of scientists and public health advocates that includes famed paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould on its advisory board, issued a statement on June 26 saying that the patenting of human genes "represents an egregious expropriation of our human heritage. The requirement to pay license fees to access our own gene sequences is a barrier that can only retard biomedical progress. Congress needs to instruct the Patent Office to cease granting patents on human gene sequences and to exclude living creatures, their genes or components from the patent system."

But there is a huge financial incentive for the genome companies and their patent attorneys to maintain the status quo. In a recent edition of The Economist, Human Genome Sciences founder and chairman Dr. William A. Haseltine estimated that it costs $250,000 to patent a gene internationally. (Companies often apply for patents in Canada, Europe, and Japan in addition to the United States.) And most of that money lands in the pockets of the patent bar.

With at least 80,000 genes potentially patentable, that means the possible cost of the legal work worldwide could reach close to $20 billion, a sizable chunk of it going into the pockets of U.S intellectual property lawyers and government offices (which charge fees for each patent).

Many of the attorneys handling patent applications for genetics companies have strong ties to the government. For instance, one of the law firms hired by Human Genome Sciences to assist the company in gene patent applications is Sterne, Kessler, Goldstein, and Fox , a Washington, D.C.-based intellectual property firm. Of the 37 members of its "Biological/Chemical Group," seven previously worked as examiners at the patent office. Another three worked at the National Institutes of Health.

Their Man in Congress

The possibility of Congress stepping in to seriously weaken the ability of companies to patent human genes seems unlikely, however  at least for now. The issue of genetic patenting is primarily the territory of Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., the chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property. Coble has strong ties to the intellectual property community, which includes both the bar and the pharmaceutical companies that have huge financial stakes in coming up with medical advances based on gene research.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Coble's campaign contributions for re-election in the fall have come in large part from "lawyers/law firms" and "pharmaceuticals/health products," which rank one and two, respectively, on its list of industry contributors to him for 1999 to 2000. Coble has taken in more than $65,000 from those two industries through June 1.

Coble also has been a frequent flyer on the intellectual property bar's tab. In 1997, the American Intellectual Property Law Association invited Coble to London to speak at a symposium, ponying up more than $5,000 for airfare, lodging and meals. Also that year, in August, the Ripon Education Fund, a moderate Republican nonprofit policy group, spent $4,000 on expenses for Coble to fly to Prague, Czech Republic, "to participate in the transatlantic conference and to discuss intellectual property issues in Europe," according to congressional travel records. In October that year, the patent office itself paid for Coble's whirlwind tour of Madrid and Barcelona, Spain, and Venice, Italy, with $4,500 of taxpayer money to meet with various foreign intellectual property officials.

The fact that the patent office paid for one of Coble's trips is probably more than coincidental. Coble has been the primary sponsor of the patent office's appropriations and reauthorization bills over the last several years in the House, including an attempt to increase the office's funding by more than $130 million on June 23.

Trips in 1998 included one to Columbia University's School of Law to speak on intellectual property rights and a visit to San Francisco, on the tab, again, of the American Intellectual Property Law Association. The latter trip was pegged at a cost of more than $5,800, with the lion's share coming from round-trip transportation expenses from Greensboro, N.C., to San Francisco, valued at $4,482.

The Einstein Institute for Science, Health and the Courts, which is funded by the departments of Energy and Health and Human Services to, according to its Web site, "prepare the Judicial Branch for new case varieties emanating from the Human Genome Project's identification of all human genes," paid for a $1,000 Coble trip to the Cape Cod resort town of Orleans, Mass., in August 1999. That was followed by yet another American Intellectual Property Law Association trip, this time to the Hague, in the Netherlands, at a cost of $6,500.

In 2000, two of Coble's staffers have been treated to a three-day trip to California to visit with the Walt Disney Co., under the auspices of a "congressional fact-finding trip." That travel record also cites "intellectual property" as a reason for the trip, which was paid for by the company.

The issue of gene patenting is beginning to get some attention in Congress. On July 13, Coble's subcommittee held a hearing dealing primarily with how tough the patent office's standards should be for allowing human gene patents. One of the panelists at the hearing was Varmus, the Nobel-winning scientist and former head of NIH. Varmus provided the most critical testimony about current human gene patent policy, saying, "some of the gene patents issued to date ... appear to reward excessively the preliminary and frankly obvious work of determining DNA sequence." However, no one on the panel, including Varmus, questioned the patentability itself apart from the "standards" issue.

Varmus' criticism centers on the standards required by the patent office for patenting a human gene. The first genes to be patented faced little regulatory controversy, as they were shown to be clearly linked to causing specific diseases. But as sequencing the human genome progressed, companies began applying for, and receiving, patents on genes without having a thorough understanding of the function of the gene. This violates one of intellectual property law's central tenets, which is to show the "utility" of an invention in order to receive a patent. Recently, the patent office solicited public comments that will lead to a policy change in the necessary requirements for a human gene patent; it plans to officially "raise the bar" by the fall of 2000.

Varmus' primary concern was that overly aggressive patent protection of genes could lead to the retardation of scientific progress by keeping valuable genetic information from the research community before its true function is understood. "Overly enthusiastic protection of intellectual property, too early in the process of product development, can impede the delivery of public health benefits from discoveries in many important fields, including genomics," Varmus said.

One of the few voices in Congress to publicly criticize U.S. human gene patent policy has been Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif. Speaking July 2 on NBC's Meet the Press, Waxman attacked human gene patenting as a "land grab," and worried that "researchers are going to find it hard to conduct research if they don't have the patent or have to pay royalties." Whether Waxman will take any direct action to try to change patent law remains in question; Waxman spokesman Phil Schiliro said the congressman was "looking into the issue" and hadn't decided what he will do.
 
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